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Schmidt decomposition - example



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I'm trying to compute the Schmidt decomposition of $left| psi right> = (left| 00 right> + left| 01 right> + left| 10 right>)/sqrt3$. This should be possible by first computing the reduced density matrices $rho_A=Tr_Bleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| a_i right> left< a_i right|$ and $rho_B=Tr_Aleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| b_i right> left< b_i right|$, and then by identifying $left| psi right>=sum_i sqrtp_ileft| a_i right> otimes left| b_i right>$.



However, somewhere in the computation I'm doing a mistake: I find that
$$rho_A=rho_B=left(2left| 0 right> left< 0 right| + left| 0 right> left< 1 right| + left| 1 right> left< 0 right|+left| 1 right> left< 1 right|right)/3,$$
which has eigenvalues $lambda_1=0.87$ and $lambda_2=0.13$ with corresponding eigenvectors
$$ left| a_1 right>=0.85 left| 0 right> + 0.53 left| 1 right>,quad left| a_2 right>=-0.53 left| 0 right> + 0.85 left| 1 right>. $$
This means that $left| psi right>$ should be given by
$$ left| psi right> = sqrtlambda_1 left| a_1 right> otimes
left| a_1 right> + sqrtlambda_2 left| a_2 right> otimes
left| a_2 right>.$$

This, however, is not true. If you check for example the numerical value in front of $left| 00 right>$, you find that it is not equal to $1/sqrt3$.



I would appreciate if someone could help me to see where I made the mistake.










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    I'm trying to compute the Schmidt decomposition of $left| psi right> = (left| 00 right> + left| 01 right> + left| 10 right>)/sqrt3$. This should be possible by first computing the reduced density matrices $rho_A=Tr_Bleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| a_i right> left< a_i right|$ and $rho_B=Tr_Aleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| b_i right> left< b_i right|$, and then by identifying $left| psi right>=sum_i sqrtp_ileft| a_i right> otimes left| b_i right>$.



    However, somewhere in the computation I'm doing a mistake: I find that
    $$rho_A=rho_B=left(2left| 0 right> left< 0 right| + left| 0 right> left< 1 right| + left| 1 right> left< 0 right|+left| 1 right> left< 1 right|right)/3,$$
    which has eigenvalues $lambda_1=0.87$ and $lambda_2=0.13$ with corresponding eigenvectors
    $$ left| a_1 right>=0.85 left| 0 right> + 0.53 left| 1 right>,quad left| a_2 right>=-0.53 left| 0 right> + 0.85 left| 1 right>. $$
    This means that $left| psi right>$ should be given by
    $$ left| psi right> = sqrtlambda_1 left| a_1 right> otimes
    left| a_1 right> + sqrtlambda_2 left| a_2 right> otimes
    left| a_2 right>.$$

    This, however, is not true. If you check for example the numerical value in front of $left| 00 right>$, you find that it is not equal to $1/sqrt3$.



    I would appreciate if someone could help me to see where I made the mistake.










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      I'm trying to compute the Schmidt decomposition of $left| psi right> = (left| 00 right> + left| 01 right> + left| 10 right>)/sqrt3$. This should be possible by first computing the reduced density matrices $rho_A=Tr_Bleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| a_i right> left< a_i right|$ and $rho_B=Tr_Aleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| b_i right> left< b_i right|$, and then by identifying $left| psi right>=sum_i sqrtp_ileft| a_i right> otimes left| b_i right>$.



      However, somewhere in the computation I'm doing a mistake: I find that
      $$rho_A=rho_B=left(2left| 0 right> left< 0 right| + left| 0 right> left< 1 right| + left| 1 right> left< 0 right|+left| 1 right> left< 1 right|right)/3,$$
      which has eigenvalues $lambda_1=0.87$ and $lambda_2=0.13$ with corresponding eigenvectors
      $$ left| a_1 right>=0.85 left| 0 right> + 0.53 left| 1 right>,quad left| a_2 right>=-0.53 left| 0 right> + 0.85 left| 1 right>. $$
      This means that $left| psi right>$ should be given by
      $$ left| psi right> = sqrtlambda_1 left| a_1 right> otimes
      left| a_1 right> + sqrtlambda_2 left| a_2 right> otimes
      left| a_2 right>.$$

      This, however, is not true. If you check for example the numerical value in front of $left| 00 right>$, you find that it is not equal to $1/sqrt3$.



      I would appreciate if someone could help me to see where I made the mistake.










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      I'm trying to compute the Schmidt decomposition of $left| psi right> = (left| 00 right> + left| 01 right> + left| 10 right>)/sqrt3$. This should be possible by first computing the reduced density matrices $rho_A=Tr_Bleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| a_i right> left< a_i right|$ and $rho_B=Tr_Aleft| psi right> left< psi right|=sum_i p_i left| b_i right> left< b_i right|$, and then by identifying $left| psi right>=sum_i sqrtp_ileft| a_i right> otimes left| b_i right>$.



      However, somewhere in the computation I'm doing a mistake: I find that
      $$rho_A=rho_B=left(2left| 0 right> left< 0 right| + left| 0 right> left< 1 right| + left| 1 right> left< 0 right|+left| 1 right> left< 1 right|right)/3,$$
      which has eigenvalues $lambda_1=0.87$ and $lambda_2=0.13$ with corresponding eigenvectors
      $$ left| a_1 right>=0.85 left| 0 right> + 0.53 left| 1 right>,quad left| a_2 right>=-0.53 left| 0 right> + 0.85 left| 1 right>. $$
      This means that $left| psi right>$ should be given by
      $$ left| psi right> = sqrtlambda_1 left| a_1 right> otimes
      left| a_1 right> + sqrtlambda_2 left| a_2 right> otimes
      left| a_2 right>.$$

      This, however, is not true. If you check for example the numerical value in front of $left| 00 right>$, you find that it is not equal to $1/sqrt3$.



      I would appreciate if someone could help me to see where I made the mistake.







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          The phase of your eigenvectors is not correct (or rather, it is not determined, so you need to make a judicious choice). If you put a minus sign in front of the 2nd term, it works out.




          To elaborate on that: If you want to find the Schmidt decomposition, you can proceed e.g. as in Preskill's lecture notes: Diagonalize the reduced state of A, which yields eigenvalues $lambda_i$ and eigenvectors $|a_irangle$. Then, rewrite
          $$
          |psirangle = sum_i |a_irangleotimes |b_irangle .tag*
          $$

          ($|b_irangle$ can be determined e.g. as $|b_irangle = langle a_i|psirangle$.) Then, the $|b_irangle$ are orthogonal with $langle b_i|b_irangle=lambda_i$ (cf. Preskill), i.e., the form $(*)$ above is the Schmidt decomposition (upon normalizing the $|b_irangle$).



          (The latter can be seen by computing the reduced density matrix of A from $(*)$, which yields
          $$
          sum |a_irangle langle a_j | ; langle b_j|b_jrangle = sum lambda_i |a_irangle langle a_i| ,
          $$

          which yields $langle b_j|b_jrangle = lambda_idelta_ij$ as the $|a_iranglelangle a_j|$ are linearly independent.)






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            @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
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          Norbert Schuch's answer is correct. Just for fun, here's the exact decomposition:
          $$
          |psiranglepropto
          (3+sqrt5)|Arangleotimes |Arangle
          -(3-sqrt5)|Brangleotimes |Brangle
          $$

          with
          beginalign
          |Arangle &= 2|0rangle+(sqrt5-1)|1rangle \
          |Brangle &= 2|0rangle-(sqrt5+1)|1rangle.
          endalign

          Using these equations, we can verify that the coefficient of $|11rangle$ is zero and that the coefficients of $|00rangle$, $|01rangle$, and $|10rangle$ are all equal to each other, and
          $$
          langle A|Brangle = 0.
          $$

          Unnormalized vectors $A,B$ are used here to simplify the coefficients in the overall expression for $|psirangle$.






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            The phase of your eigenvectors is not correct (or rather, it is not determined, so you need to make a judicious choice). If you put a minus sign in front of the 2nd term, it works out.




            To elaborate on that: If you want to find the Schmidt decomposition, you can proceed e.g. as in Preskill's lecture notes: Diagonalize the reduced state of A, which yields eigenvalues $lambda_i$ and eigenvectors $|a_irangle$. Then, rewrite
            $$
            |psirangle = sum_i |a_irangleotimes |b_irangle .tag*
            $$

            ($|b_irangle$ can be determined e.g. as $|b_irangle = langle a_i|psirangle$.) Then, the $|b_irangle$ are orthogonal with $langle b_i|b_irangle=lambda_i$ (cf. Preskill), i.e., the form $(*)$ above is the Schmidt decomposition (upon normalizing the $|b_irangle$).



            (The latter can be seen by computing the reduced density matrix of A from $(*)$, which yields
            $$
            sum |a_irangle langle a_j | ; langle b_j|b_jrangle = sum lambda_i |a_irangle langle a_i| ,
            $$

            which yields $langle b_j|b_jrangle = lambda_idelta_ij$ as the $|a_iranglelangle a_j|$ are linearly independent.)






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            • $begingroup$
              A link or source to Preskill’s notes would nicely complement your answer.
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            • $begingroup$
              @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
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            $begingroup$

            The phase of your eigenvectors is not correct (or rather, it is not determined, so you need to make a judicious choice). If you put a minus sign in front of the 2nd term, it works out.




            To elaborate on that: If you want to find the Schmidt decomposition, you can proceed e.g. as in Preskill's lecture notes: Diagonalize the reduced state of A, which yields eigenvalues $lambda_i$ and eigenvectors $|a_irangle$. Then, rewrite
            $$
            |psirangle = sum_i |a_irangleotimes |b_irangle .tag*
            $$

            ($|b_irangle$ can be determined e.g. as $|b_irangle = langle a_i|psirangle$.) Then, the $|b_irangle$ are orthogonal with $langle b_i|b_irangle=lambda_i$ (cf. Preskill), i.e., the form $(*)$ above is the Schmidt decomposition (upon normalizing the $|b_irangle$).



            (The latter can be seen by computing the reduced density matrix of A from $(*)$, which yields
            $$
            sum |a_irangle langle a_j | ; langle b_j|b_jrangle = sum lambda_i |a_irangle langle a_i| ,
            $$

            which yields $langle b_j|b_jrangle = lambda_idelta_ij$ as the $|a_iranglelangle a_j|$ are linearly independent.)






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            • $begingroup$
              A link or source to Preskill’s notes would nicely complement your answer.
              $endgroup$
              – ZeroTheHero
              Mar 27 at 9:37










            • $begingroup$
              @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
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              – Norbert Schuch
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            $begingroup$

            The phase of your eigenvectors is not correct (or rather, it is not determined, so you need to make a judicious choice). If you put a minus sign in front of the 2nd term, it works out.




            To elaborate on that: If you want to find the Schmidt decomposition, you can proceed e.g. as in Preskill's lecture notes: Diagonalize the reduced state of A, which yields eigenvalues $lambda_i$ and eigenvectors $|a_irangle$. Then, rewrite
            $$
            |psirangle = sum_i |a_irangleotimes |b_irangle .tag*
            $$

            ($|b_irangle$ can be determined e.g. as $|b_irangle = langle a_i|psirangle$.) Then, the $|b_irangle$ are orthogonal with $langle b_i|b_irangle=lambda_i$ (cf. Preskill), i.e., the form $(*)$ above is the Schmidt decomposition (upon normalizing the $|b_irangle$).



            (The latter can be seen by computing the reduced density matrix of A from $(*)$, which yields
            $$
            sum |a_irangle langle a_j | ; langle b_j|b_jrangle = sum lambda_i |a_irangle langle a_i| ,
            $$

            which yields $langle b_j|b_jrangle = lambda_idelta_ij$ as the $|a_iranglelangle a_j|$ are linearly independent.)






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            The phase of your eigenvectors is not correct (or rather, it is not determined, so you need to make a judicious choice). If you put a minus sign in front of the 2nd term, it works out.




            To elaborate on that: If you want to find the Schmidt decomposition, you can proceed e.g. as in Preskill's lecture notes: Diagonalize the reduced state of A, which yields eigenvalues $lambda_i$ and eigenvectors $|a_irangle$. Then, rewrite
            $$
            |psirangle = sum_i |a_irangleotimes |b_irangle .tag*
            $$

            ($|b_irangle$ can be determined e.g. as $|b_irangle = langle a_i|psirangle$.) Then, the $|b_irangle$ are orthogonal with $langle b_i|b_irangle=lambda_i$ (cf. Preskill), i.e., the form $(*)$ above is the Schmidt decomposition (upon normalizing the $|b_irangle$).



            (The latter can be seen by computing the reduced density matrix of A from $(*)$, which yields
            $$
            sum |a_irangle langle a_j | ; langle b_j|b_jrangle = sum lambda_i |a_irangle langle a_i| ,
            $$

            which yields $langle b_j|b_jrangle = lambda_idelta_ij$ as the $|a_iranglelangle a_j|$ are linearly independent.)







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            share|cite|improve this answer








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              A link or source to Preskill’s notes would nicely complement your answer.
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            • $begingroup$
              @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
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            • $begingroup$
              A link or source to Preskill’s notes would nicely complement your answer.
              $endgroup$
              – ZeroTheHero
              Mar 27 at 9:37










            • $begingroup$
              @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
              $endgroup$
              – Norbert Schuch
              Mar 27 at 9:45















            $begingroup$
            A link or source to Preskill’s notes would nicely complement your answer.
            $endgroup$
            – ZeroTheHero
            Mar 27 at 9:37




            $begingroup$
            A link or source to Preskill’s notes would nicely complement your answer.
            $endgroup$
            – ZeroTheHero
            Mar 27 at 9:37












            $begingroup$
            @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
            $endgroup$
            – Norbert Schuch
            Mar 27 at 9:45




            $begingroup$
            @ZeroTheHero I think the answer is self-contained. And if I add a link, I would have to link a specific section, and Preskill occasionally updates his notes, which could both make the link and an exact reference within the notes obsolete, so people might complain about that.
            $endgroup$
            – Norbert Schuch
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            Norbert Schuch's answer is correct. Just for fun, here's the exact decomposition:
            $$
            |psiranglepropto
            (3+sqrt5)|Arangleotimes |Arangle
            -(3-sqrt5)|Brangleotimes |Brangle
            $$

            with
            beginalign
            |Arangle &= 2|0rangle+(sqrt5-1)|1rangle \
            |Brangle &= 2|0rangle-(sqrt5+1)|1rangle.
            endalign

            Using these equations, we can verify that the coefficient of $|11rangle$ is zero and that the coefficients of $|00rangle$, $|01rangle$, and $|10rangle$ are all equal to each other, and
            $$
            langle A|Brangle = 0.
            $$

            Unnormalized vectors $A,B$ are used here to simplify the coefficients in the overall expression for $|psirangle$.






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              $begingroup$

              Norbert Schuch's answer is correct. Just for fun, here's the exact decomposition:
              $$
              |psiranglepropto
              (3+sqrt5)|Arangleotimes |Arangle
              -(3-sqrt5)|Brangleotimes |Brangle
              $$

              with
              beginalign
              |Arangle &= 2|0rangle+(sqrt5-1)|1rangle \
              |Brangle &= 2|0rangle-(sqrt5+1)|1rangle.
              endalign

              Using these equations, we can verify that the coefficient of $|11rangle$ is zero and that the coefficients of $|00rangle$, $|01rangle$, and $|10rangle$ are all equal to each other, and
              $$
              langle A|Brangle = 0.
              $$

              Unnormalized vectors $A,B$ are used here to simplify the coefficients in the overall expression for $|psirangle$.






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                Norbert Schuch's answer is correct. Just for fun, here's the exact decomposition:
                $$
                |psiranglepropto
                (3+sqrt5)|Arangleotimes |Arangle
                -(3-sqrt5)|Brangleotimes |Brangle
                $$

                with
                beginalign
                |Arangle &= 2|0rangle+(sqrt5-1)|1rangle \
                |Brangle &= 2|0rangle-(sqrt5+1)|1rangle.
                endalign

                Using these equations, we can verify that the coefficient of $|11rangle$ is zero and that the coefficients of $|00rangle$, $|01rangle$, and $|10rangle$ are all equal to each other, and
                $$
                langle A|Brangle = 0.
                $$

                Unnormalized vectors $A,B$ are used here to simplify the coefficients in the overall expression for $|psirangle$.






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                Norbert Schuch's answer is correct. Just for fun, here's the exact decomposition:
                $$
                |psiranglepropto
                (3+sqrt5)|Arangleotimes |Arangle
                -(3-sqrt5)|Brangleotimes |Brangle
                $$

                with
                beginalign
                |Arangle &= 2|0rangle+(sqrt5-1)|1rangle \
                |Brangle &= 2|0rangle-(sqrt5+1)|1rangle.
                endalign

                Using these equations, we can verify that the coefficient of $|11rangle$ is zero and that the coefficients of $|00rangle$, $|01rangle$, and $|10rangle$ are all equal to each other, and
                $$
                langle A|Brangle = 0.
                $$

                Unnormalized vectors $A,B$ are used here to simplify the coefficients in the overall expression for $|psirangle$.







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