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What happens if I try to grapple an illusory duplicate from the Mirror Image spell?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowDoes grappling count as a hit?What counts as an attack?Does grappling negate Mirror Image?Can you make a grapple attack as an Attack of OpportunityWhat does mirror image look like?Can Mirror Image effect be negated with a single Sacred Flame?Can a character with Extra Attack replace multiple attacks with Grapple special attacks, as part of the same Attack action?What happens when you use a projected image to cast a teleportation spell on another creature?If Witch Bolt initially hits a target that has cast Mirror Image, does the ongoing damage hit the actual target automatically?How do faerie fire and mirror image interact?How do two castings of Mirror Image interact when one starts losing illusory duplicates?Can a Drunken Master monk use the Redirect Attack feature when the Mirror Image spell causes them to not be hit?Do the illusory duplicates created by the Mirror Image spell vanish when hit by a non-damaging attack?
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A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:
When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:
Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.
What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?
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A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:
When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:
Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.
What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?
dnd-5e spells grapple illusion
edited Mar 21 at 1:53
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A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:
When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:
Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.
What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?
dnd-5e spells grapple illusion
edited Mar 21 at 1:53
V2Blast
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asked Mar 20 at 15:51
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$endgroup$
A grapple attempt is an attack - a special melee attack:
When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you're able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.
Because it's an attack, it can target an illusory duplicate from the mirror image spell:
Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's duration, roll a d20 to determine whether the attack instead targets one of your duplicates.
What will happen if the grapple attempt targets a duplicate? Will it automatically be destroyed if I win the contest? What will happen if I lose the contest?
dnd-5e spells grapple illusion
dnd-5e spells grapple illusion
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related : What counts as an attack?
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– Nahyn Oklauq
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related : What counts as an attack?
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Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.
The pertinent mirror image rules:
A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.
And the grappling rules:
The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
(Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
grappled condition.
The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.
That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.
For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.
Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.
Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)
Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte? The answer to both questions is
no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
or a miss.
answered Mar 20 at 16:02
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Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.
The pertinent mirror image rules:
A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.
And the grappling rules:
The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
(Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
grappled condition.
The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.
That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.
For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.
Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.
Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)
Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte? The answer to both questions is
no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
or a miss.
answered Mar 20 at 16:02
Ben BardenBen Barden
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$begingroup$
Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.
The pertinent mirror image rules:
A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.
And the grappling rules:
The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
(Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
grappled condition.
The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.
That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.
For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.
Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.
Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)
Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte? The answer to both questions is
no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
or a miss.
answered Mar 20 at 16:02
Ben BardenBen Barden
11.7k12866
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$begingroup$
Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.
The pertinent mirror image rules:
A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.
And the grappling rules:
The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
(Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
grappled condition.
The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.
That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.
For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.
Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.
Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)
Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte? The answer to both questions is
no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
or a miss.
answered Mar 20 at 16:02
Ben BardenBen Barden
11.7k12866
$endgroup$
Nothing happens to the image. The grapple attempt just fails.
The pertinent mirror image rules:
A duplicate's AC equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier. If an attack
hits a duplicate, the duplicate is destroyed. A duplicate can be
destroyed only by an attack that hits it. It ignores all other damage
and effects. The spell ends when all three duplicates are destroyed.
And the grappling rules:
The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than
you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you
try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack
roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength
(Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the
ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the
grappled condition.
The grapple is an attack (specifically a "special melee attack") but not one that can hit. As such, it would have no effect on the mirror image - subjecting it to the Grappled condition does nothing.
That's further supported by the fact that you cannot either win or lose this contest, as the mirror image does not have a Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check to contest against. By design, the only way to hit (and therefore dispel) the mirror image is to target AC.
For clarity, the chain of events would be as follows: You attempt to grapple a wizard who is currently under the effects of Mirror Image. You roll your Mirror Image check. If the roll is in your favor, then you correctly target the wizard, and the grapple attempt proceeds as normal. If it is not in your favor, you wind up targeting an image instead. The mirror image is unaffected by grapple, and therefore the grapple attempt autofails.
Further support for this position available in the answers to this question here.
Even more support can be found in this Sage Advice Compendium (page 11, right-hand colum)
Does a grapple or a shove trigger the Tempest cleric’s Wrath of the
Storm or a Battle Master’s Riposte? The answer to both questions is
no. The grappling and shoving options (PH, 195) don’t result in a hit
or a miss.
answered Mar 20 at 16:02
Ben BardenBen Barden
11.7k12866
edited Mar 21 at 13:06
answered Mar 20 at 16:02
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answered Mar 20 at 16:02
Ben BardenBen Barden
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