Dilemma between present perfect simple and past simple
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I do not know where to find the right answer. Please tell and explain what my errors are
I must use either the Present Perfect Simple or Past Simple
B. How long / you / have /that?
A. We / have / it since the kids / be / tiny. It / belong / to my parents before us, so it / be / the family holiday home for a long time.
B. / you / go / there when you / be / a child?
A. Yes. Then my father / want / to sell it so I / buy / it.
My version
B: How long have you had that?
A: We've had it since the kids were tiny. It's belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B: Did you go there when you were a child?
A: Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so I bought it.
I am not sure about the solution in bold. Should it be “it belonged” or “it's belonged”? Is it OK to use the Present Perfect and Past Simple together in the same sentence?
present-perfect present-tense perfect-aspect
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I do not know where to find the right answer. Please tell and explain what my errors are
I must use either the Present Perfect Simple or Past Simple
B. How long / you / have /that?
A. We / have / it since the kids / be / tiny. It / belong / to my parents before us, so it / be / the family holiday home for a long time.
B. / you / go / there when you / be / a child?
A. Yes. Then my father / want / to sell it so I / buy / it.
My version
B: How long have you had that?
A: We've had it since the kids were tiny. It's belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B: Did you go there when you were a child?
A: Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so I bought it.
I am not sure about the solution in bold. Should it be “it belonged” or “it's belonged”? Is it OK to use the Present Perfect and Past Simple together in the same sentence?
present-perfect present-tense perfect-aspect
edited May 24 at 8:53
Mari-Lou A
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asked Mar 27 '18 at 16:33
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BOUNTY MESSAGE I often see users ask whether a sentence similar to the OP's can contain two different tenses. The bounty will be awarded to the answer that explains when and why this is possible showing supporting evidence. Thanks!
– Mari-Lou A
May 24 at 9:21
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I'm interested to know where you got the idea that you cannot mix these two tenses in the same sentence. As Lewis points out in The English Verb: An Exploration of Structure and Meaning (p148): "It is the verb phrase not the sentence which is the fundamental unit requiring analysis".
– Shoe
May 24 at 10:05
@Shoe sounds like the basis of an excellently concise answer - just needs a more neutral, more didactic opening sentence. ;-)
– Chappo
May 28 at 22:57
@Chappo. My comment was not intended to come across as polemical, and I hope the OP didn't regard it as such. As an English teacher I am genuinely interested to know where such misconceptions (or, to use a less neutral term, 'zombie rules') stem from. If the OP can tell us the source, then it can be pointed out, either that the source is wrong, or, which is more likely, that the OP has misunderstood the 'rule' or its scope. As to an answer, it really would not be much more than Lewis's quote, and I think Mari-Lou A wants more than that.
– Shoe
May 29 at 7:30
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I do not know where to find the right answer. Please tell and explain what my errors are
I must use either the Present Perfect Simple or Past Simple
B. How long / you / have /that?
A. We / have / it since the kids / be / tiny. It / belong / to my parents before us, so it / be / the family holiday home for a long time.
B. / you / go / there when you / be / a child?
A. Yes. Then my father / want / to sell it so I / buy / it.
My version
B: How long have you had that?
A: We've had it since the kids were tiny. It's belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B: Did you go there when you were a child?
A: Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so I bought it.
I am not sure about the solution in bold. Should it be “it belonged” or “it's belonged”? Is it OK to use the Present Perfect and Past Simple together in the same sentence?
present-perfect present-tense perfect-aspect
edited May 24 at 8:53
Mari-Lou A
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I do not know where to find the right answer. Please tell and explain what my errors are
I must use either the Present Perfect Simple or Past Simple
B. How long / you / have /that?
A. We / have / it since the kids / be / tiny. It / belong / to my parents before us, so it / be / the family holiday home for a long time.
B. / you / go / there when you / be / a child?
A. Yes. Then my father / want / to sell it so I / buy / it.
My version
B: How long have you had that?
A: We've had it since the kids were tiny. It's belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B: Did you go there when you were a child?
A: Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so I bought it.
I am not sure about the solution in bold. Should it be “it belonged” or “it's belonged”? Is it OK to use the Present Perfect and Past Simple together in the same sentence?
present-perfect present-tense perfect-aspect
present-perfect present-tense perfect-aspect
edited May 24 at 8:53
Mari-Lou A
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asked Mar 27 '18 at 16:33
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edited May 24 at 8:53
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edited May 24 at 8:53
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iiieee Miiieee M
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asked Mar 27 '18 at 16:33
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asked Mar 27 '18 at 16:33
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BOUNTY MESSAGE I often see users ask whether a sentence similar to the OP's can contain two different tenses. The bounty will be awarded to the answer that explains when and why this is possible showing supporting evidence. Thanks!
– Mari-Lou A
May 24 at 9:21
3
I'm interested to know where you got the idea that you cannot mix these two tenses in the same sentence. As Lewis points out in The English Verb: An Exploration of Structure and Meaning (p148): "It is the verb phrase not the sentence which is the fundamental unit requiring analysis".
– Shoe
May 24 at 10:05
@Shoe sounds like the basis of an excellently concise answer - just needs a more neutral, more didactic opening sentence. ;-)
– Chappo
May 28 at 22:57
@Chappo. My comment was not intended to come across as polemical, and I hope the OP didn't regard it as such. As an English teacher I am genuinely interested to know where such misconceptions (or, to use a less neutral term, 'zombie rules') stem from. If the OP can tell us the source, then it can be pointed out, either that the source is wrong, or, which is more likely, that the OP has misunderstood the 'rule' or its scope. As to an answer, it really would not be much more than Lewis's quote, and I think Mari-Lou A wants more than that.
– Shoe
May 29 at 7:30
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BOUNTY MESSAGE I often see users ask whether a sentence similar to the OP's can contain two different tenses. The bounty will be awarded to the answer that explains when and why this is possible showing supporting evidence. Thanks!
– Mari-Lou A
May 24 at 9:21
3
I'm interested to know where you got the idea that you cannot mix these two tenses in the same sentence. As Lewis points out in The English Verb: An Exploration of Structure and Meaning (p148): "It is the verb phrase not the sentence which is the fundamental unit requiring analysis".
– Shoe
May 24 at 10:05
@Shoe sounds like the basis of an excellently concise answer - just needs a more neutral, more didactic opening sentence. ;-)
– Chappo
May 28 at 22:57
@Chappo. My comment was not intended to come across as polemical, and I hope the OP didn't regard it as such. As an English teacher I am genuinely interested to know where such misconceptions (or, to use a less neutral term, 'zombie rules') stem from. If the OP can tell us the source, then it can be pointed out, either that the source is wrong, or, which is more likely, that the OP has misunderstood the 'rule' or its scope. As to an answer, it really would not be much more than Lewis's quote, and I think Mari-Lou A wants more than that.
– Shoe
May 29 at 7:30
BOUNTY MESSAGE I often see users ask whether a sentence similar to the OP's can contain two different tenses. The bounty will be awarded to the answer that explains when and why this is possible showing supporting evidence. Thanks!
– Mari-Lou A
May 24 at 9:21
BOUNTY MESSAGE I often see users ask whether a sentence similar to the OP's can contain two different tenses. The bounty will be awarded to the answer that explains when and why this is possible showing supporting evidence. Thanks!
– Mari-Lou A
May 24 at 9:21
3
3
I'm interested to know where you got the idea that you cannot mix these two tenses in the same sentence. As Lewis points out in The English Verb: An Exploration of Structure and Meaning (p148): "It is the verb phrase not the sentence which is the fundamental unit requiring analysis".
– Shoe
May 24 at 10:05
I'm interested to know where you got the idea that you cannot mix these two tenses in the same sentence. As Lewis points out in The English Verb: An Exploration of Structure and Meaning (p148): "It is the verb phrase not the sentence which is the fundamental unit requiring analysis".
– Shoe
May 24 at 10:05
@Shoe sounds like the basis of an excellently concise answer - just needs a more neutral, more didactic opening sentence. ;-)
– Chappo
May 28 at 22:57
@Shoe sounds like the basis of an excellently concise answer - just needs a more neutral, more didactic opening sentence. ;-)
– Chappo
May 28 at 22:57
@Chappo. My comment was not intended to come across as polemical, and I hope the OP didn't regard it as such. As an English teacher I am genuinely interested to know where such misconceptions (or, to use a less neutral term, 'zombie rules') stem from. If the OP can tell us the source, then it can be pointed out, either that the source is wrong, or, which is more likely, that the OP has misunderstood the 'rule' or its scope. As to an answer, it really would not be much more than Lewis's quote, and I think Mari-Lou A wants more than that.
– Shoe
May 29 at 7:30
@Chappo. My comment was not intended to come across as polemical, and I hope the OP didn't regard it as such. As an English teacher I am genuinely interested to know where such misconceptions (or, to use a less neutral term, 'zombie rules') stem from. If the OP can tell us the source, then it can be pointed out, either that the source is wrong, or, which is more likely, that the OP has misunderstood the 'rule' or its scope. As to an answer, it really would not be much more than Lewis's quote, and I think Mari-Lou A wants more than that.
– Shoe
May 29 at 7:30
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The past simple is the only option for the verb belonged as the action is complete and there is a time reference (before us).
Past simple verbs often have explicit time references to show they are complete
They left the town 10 years ago
I went to the shops yesterday
Past simple verbs also have implicit time references, such as in your example.
At university, he studied chemistry (the tense confers the fact he finished university)
She wrote many great songs in her heyday. (the tense confers the fact that her heyday finished, and she is no longer so great)
belonged (past simple) refers to the specific generation which owned or had the deeds for the house before they were passed on (and hence the action became complete). Hence, previous owners, even if they are still part of your family, and still have rights to its use & enjoyment, etc. are indicated using past simple tense.
As the family home is passed from generation to generation - and used by family members who may not actually own it - it was and still is the family home. Hence, the present perfect has been the family home is the correct choice of tense for the second verb phrase -
So in answer to your question, yes - both tenses are needed for your choice of verbs in the sentence.
answered May 26 at 10:15
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I am quoting from a site named "veritasprep.com", which guides students preparing for exams. It gives the following answer to the question "Is it incorrect to use multiple verb tenses in a sentence?" dated August 1, 2017. I give below only a part of the answer.
Tense consistency - We do not switch tenses when there is no time change for the actions.
Example: During the match, my dad stood up and waved at me.
The two actions ("stood" and "waved") happen at the same time. So they need to have the same tense.
When dealing with actions that occur at different points in time, we can use multiple tenses in the same sentence.
Example: My dad reached for the sandwich after he had already eaten a whole pizza.
Here the two actions ("reached" and "eaten") happen at different times in the past. So we use both the simple past and past perfect tenses.
Another example: I have heard (present perfect) that Mona left (simple past) Manchester this morning, and has already arrived (present perfect) in London, where she will be (simple future) for the next three weeks.
When using multiple verbs in various tenses in a sentence, we should make sure the verbs convey a logical sequence of events.
The sentence here is “It belonged (simple past) to my parents before us, so it has been (present perfect) the family holiday home for a long time.”
The first clause says: "my parents had it before us" – something that happened in the past – so simple past
"now we have it" - present tense
"so it has been the family holiday home" - an action continuing from the past to the present - so present perfect tense.
The change in tense is consistent with the timing of the actions, and conveys a logical sequence of events.
iiieee.M. Thanks for the question. It has helped me clear some of my doubts.
edited May 27 at 21:11
Mari-Lou A
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answered May 26 at 11:23
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More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
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All fine, I believe, but for "it's belonged". Since it does not belong to the parents anymore, and since it beloged to the parents before, I would put the Past simple: "It belonged to my parents before us".
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
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But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
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B. How long have you had that?
A. We have had it since the kid were tidy. It belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B. Have you gone there when you were a child?
A. Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so i bought it.
Is it not usable???
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
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Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
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The past simple is the only option for the verb belonged as the action is complete and there is a time reference (before us).
Past simple verbs often have explicit time references to show they are complete
They left the town 10 years ago
I went to the shops yesterday
Past simple verbs also have implicit time references, such as in your example.
At university, he studied chemistry (the tense confers the fact he finished university)
She wrote many great songs in her heyday. (the tense confers the fact that her heyday finished, and she is no longer so great)
belonged (past simple) refers to the specific generation which owned or had the deeds for the house before they were passed on (and hence the action became complete). Hence, previous owners, even if they are still part of your family, and still have rights to its use & enjoyment, etc. are indicated using past simple tense.
As the family home is passed from generation to generation - and used by family members who may not actually own it - it was and still is the family home. Hence, the present perfect has been the family home is the correct choice of tense for the second verb phrase -
So in answer to your question, yes - both tenses are needed for your choice of verbs in the sentence.
answered May 26 at 10:15
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The past simple is the only option for the verb belonged as the action is complete and there is a time reference (before us).
Past simple verbs often have explicit time references to show they are complete
They left the town 10 years ago
I went to the shops yesterday
Past simple verbs also have implicit time references, such as in your example.
At university, he studied chemistry (the tense confers the fact he finished university)
She wrote many great songs in her heyday. (the tense confers the fact that her heyday finished, and she is no longer so great)
belonged (past simple) refers to the specific generation which owned or had the deeds for the house before they were passed on (and hence the action became complete). Hence, previous owners, even if they are still part of your family, and still have rights to its use & enjoyment, etc. are indicated using past simple tense.
As the family home is passed from generation to generation - and used by family members who may not actually own it - it was and still is the family home. Hence, the present perfect has been the family home is the correct choice of tense for the second verb phrase -
So in answer to your question, yes - both tenses are needed for your choice of verbs in the sentence.
answered May 26 at 10:15
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The past simple is the only option for the verb belonged as the action is complete and there is a time reference (before us).
Past simple verbs often have explicit time references to show they are complete
They left the town 10 years ago
I went to the shops yesterday
Past simple verbs also have implicit time references, such as in your example.
At university, he studied chemistry (the tense confers the fact he finished university)
She wrote many great songs in her heyday. (the tense confers the fact that her heyday finished, and she is no longer so great)
belonged (past simple) refers to the specific generation which owned or had the deeds for the house before they were passed on (and hence the action became complete). Hence, previous owners, even if they are still part of your family, and still have rights to its use & enjoyment, etc. are indicated using past simple tense.
As the family home is passed from generation to generation - and used by family members who may not actually own it - it was and still is the family home. Hence, the present perfect has been the family home is the correct choice of tense for the second verb phrase -
So in answer to your question, yes - both tenses are needed for your choice of verbs in the sentence.
answered May 26 at 10:15
mattxxx4mattxxx4
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The past simple is the only option for the verb belonged as the action is complete and there is a time reference (before us).
Past simple verbs often have explicit time references to show they are complete
They left the town 10 years ago
I went to the shops yesterday
Past simple verbs also have implicit time references, such as in your example.
At university, he studied chemistry (the tense confers the fact he finished university)
She wrote many great songs in her heyday. (the tense confers the fact that her heyday finished, and she is no longer so great)
belonged (past simple) refers to the specific generation which owned or had the deeds for the house before they were passed on (and hence the action became complete). Hence, previous owners, even if they are still part of your family, and still have rights to its use & enjoyment, etc. are indicated using past simple tense.
As the family home is passed from generation to generation - and used by family members who may not actually own it - it was and still is the family home. Hence, the present perfect has been the family home is the correct choice of tense for the second verb phrase -
So in answer to your question, yes - both tenses are needed for your choice of verbs in the sentence.
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I am quoting from a site named "veritasprep.com", which guides students preparing for exams. It gives the following answer to the question "Is it incorrect to use multiple verb tenses in a sentence?" dated August 1, 2017. I give below only a part of the answer.
Tense consistency - We do not switch tenses when there is no time change for the actions.
Example: During the match, my dad stood up and waved at me.
The two actions ("stood" and "waved") happen at the same time. So they need to have the same tense.
When dealing with actions that occur at different points in time, we can use multiple tenses in the same sentence.
Example: My dad reached for the sandwich after he had already eaten a whole pizza.
Here the two actions ("reached" and "eaten") happen at different times in the past. So we use both the simple past and past perfect tenses.
Another example: I have heard (present perfect) that Mona left (simple past) Manchester this morning, and has already arrived (present perfect) in London, where she will be (simple future) for the next three weeks.
When using multiple verbs in various tenses in a sentence, we should make sure the verbs convey a logical sequence of events.
The sentence here is “It belonged (simple past) to my parents before us, so it has been (present perfect) the family holiday home for a long time.”
The first clause says: "my parents had it before us" – something that happened in the past – so simple past
"now we have it" - present tense
"so it has been the family holiday home" - an action continuing from the past to the present - so present perfect tense.
The change in tense is consistent with the timing of the actions, and conveys a logical sequence of events.
iiieee.M. Thanks for the question. It has helped me clear some of my doubts.
edited May 27 at 21:11
Mari-Lou A
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answered May 26 at 11:23
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More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
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I am quoting from a site named "veritasprep.com", which guides students preparing for exams. It gives the following answer to the question "Is it incorrect to use multiple verb tenses in a sentence?" dated August 1, 2017. I give below only a part of the answer.
Tense consistency - We do not switch tenses when there is no time change for the actions.
Example: During the match, my dad stood up and waved at me.
The two actions ("stood" and "waved") happen at the same time. So they need to have the same tense.
When dealing with actions that occur at different points in time, we can use multiple tenses in the same sentence.
Example: My dad reached for the sandwich after he had already eaten a whole pizza.
Here the two actions ("reached" and "eaten") happen at different times in the past. So we use both the simple past and past perfect tenses.
Another example: I have heard (present perfect) that Mona left (simple past) Manchester this morning, and has already arrived (present perfect) in London, where she will be (simple future) for the next three weeks.
When using multiple verbs in various tenses in a sentence, we should make sure the verbs convey a logical sequence of events.
The sentence here is “It belonged (simple past) to my parents before us, so it has been (present perfect) the family holiday home for a long time.”
The first clause says: "my parents had it before us" – something that happened in the past – so simple past
"now we have it" - present tense
"so it has been the family holiday home" - an action continuing from the past to the present - so present perfect tense.
The change in tense is consistent with the timing of the actions, and conveys a logical sequence of events.
iiieee.M. Thanks for the question. It has helped me clear some of my doubts.
edited May 27 at 21:11
Mari-Lou A
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answered May 26 at 11:23
kukikuki
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More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
add a comment
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I am quoting from a site named "veritasprep.com", which guides students preparing for exams. It gives the following answer to the question "Is it incorrect to use multiple verb tenses in a sentence?" dated August 1, 2017. I give below only a part of the answer.
Tense consistency - We do not switch tenses when there is no time change for the actions.
Example: During the match, my dad stood up and waved at me.
The two actions ("stood" and "waved") happen at the same time. So they need to have the same tense.
When dealing with actions that occur at different points in time, we can use multiple tenses in the same sentence.
Example: My dad reached for the sandwich after he had already eaten a whole pizza.
Here the two actions ("reached" and "eaten") happen at different times in the past. So we use both the simple past and past perfect tenses.
Another example: I have heard (present perfect) that Mona left (simple past) Manchester this morning, and has already arrived (present perfect) in London, where she will be (simple future) for the next three weeks.
When using multiple verbs in various tenses in a sentence, we should make sure the verbs convey a logical sequence of events.
The sentence here is “It belonged (simple past) to my parents before us, so it has been (present perfect) the family holiday home for a long time.”
The first clause says: "my parents had it before us" – something that happened in the past – so simple past
"now we have it" - present tense
"so it has been the family holiday home" - an action continuing from the past to the present - so present perfect tense.
The change in tense is consistent with the timing of the actions, and conveys a logical sequence of events.
iiieee.M. Thanks for the question. It has helped me clear some of my doubts.
edited May 27 at 21:11
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I am quoting from a site named "veritasprep.com", which guides students preparing for exams. It gives the following answer to the question "Is it incorrect to use multiple verb tenses in a sentence?" dated August 1, 2017. I give below only a part of the answer.
Tense consistency - We do not switch tenses when there is no time change for the actions.
Example: During the match, my dad stood up and waved at me.
The two actions ("stood" and "waved") happen at the same time. So they need to have the same tense.
When dealing with actions that occur at different points in time, we can use multiple tenses in the same sentence.
Example: My dad reached for the sandwich after he had already eaten a whole pizza.
Here the two actions ("reached" and "eaten") happen at different times in the past. So we use both the simple past and past perfect tenses.
Another example: I have heard (present perfect) that Mona left (simple past) Manchester this morning, and has already arrived (present perfect) in London, where she will be (simple future) for the next three weeks.
When using multiple verbs in various tenses in a sentence, we should make sure the verbs convey a logical sequence of events.
The sentence here is “It belonged (simple past) to my parents before us, so it has been (present perfect) the family holiday home for a long time.”
The first clause says: "my parents had it before us" – something that happened in the past – so simple past
"now we have it" - present tense
"so it has been the family holiday home" - an action continuing from the past to the present - so present perfect tense.
The change in tense is consistent with the timing of the actions, and conveys a logical sequence of events.
iiieee.M. Thanks for the question. It has helped me clear some of my doubts.
edited May 27 at 21:11
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edited May 27 at 21:11
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More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
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More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
More zombie rules being spread by test-prep sites. Like viruses. Say anything you like about English grammar and if you state it authoritatively enough, people will believe you must be right and repeat what you say. (Note the "We do not" - Momma don't 'low no tense switchin' here ;-)
– John Lawler
May 27 at 15:34
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
Taking into account the site's blurring of tense and mood, how would the following meet the injunction do not switch tenses? "... my dad stood up while he was waving at me."
– Chappo
May 28 at 23:56
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
After reading your example, I believe there is something missing in what is said on the site I quoted from.
– kuki
May 30 at 3:50
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All fine, I believe, but for "it's belonged". Since it does not belong to the parents anymore, and since it beloged to the parents before, I would put the Past simple: "It belonged to my parents before us".
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
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But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
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All fine, I believe, but for "it's belonged". Since it does not belong to the parents anymore, and since it beloged to the parents before, I would put the Past simple: "It belonged to my parents before us".
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
laura caliban faillilaura caliban failli
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But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
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All fine, I believe, but for "it's belonged". Since it does not belong to the parents anymore, and since it beloged to the parents before, I would put the Past simple: "It belonged to my parents before us".
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
laura caliban faillilaura caliban failli
294 bronze badges
All fine, I believe, but for "it's belonged". Since it does not belong to the parents anymore, and since it beloged to the parents before, I would put the Past simple: "It belonged to my parents before us".
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
laura caliban faillilaura caliban failli
294 bronze badges
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
laura caliban faillilaura caliban failli
294 bronze badges
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
laura caliban faillilaura caliban failli
294 bronze badges
answered Mar 27 '18 at 17:19
laura caliban faillilaura caliban failli
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294 bronze badges
But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
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But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
But is it ok to use PP and PS together in one sentence ?
– iiieee M
Mar 27 '18 at 17:37
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
It depends. Here it is ok, because the house has been in the family for a long time (duration form), since before it belonged to the parents and now it belongs to the children, so it is still in the family.
– laura caliban failli
Mar 27 '18 at 17:49
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B. How long have you had that?
A. We have had it since the kid were tidy. It belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B. Have you gone there when you were a child?
A. Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so i bought it.
Is it not usable???
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
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Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
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B. How long have you had that?
A. We have had it since the kid were tidy. It belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B. Have you gone there when you were a child?
A. Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so i bought it.
Is it not usable???
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
1
Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
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B. How long have you had that?
A. We have had it since the kid were tidy. It belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B. Have you gone there when you were a child?
A. Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so i bought it.
Is it not usable???
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
1
B. How long have you had that?
A. We have had it since the kid were tidy. It belonged to my parents before us, so it has been the family holiday home for a long time.
B. Have you gone there when you were a child?
A. Yes. Then my father wanted to sell it so i bought it.
Is it not usable???
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
1
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
1
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
1
answered Dec 24 '18 at 17:55
Büşra BaşaranBüşra Başaran
1
1
Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
add a comment
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Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
Have you gone there when you were a child is wrong. You cannot use present perfect for things that happened in the distant past unless you have a good reason to.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 11:36
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
since the kids were tidy? What a hoot.
– Lambie
May 27 at 19:33
add a comment
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BOUNTY MESSAGE I often see users ask whether a sentence similar to the OP's can contain two different tenses. The bounty will be awarded to the answer that explains when and why this is possible showing supporting evidence. Thanks!
– Mari-Lou A
May 24 at 9:21
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I'm interested to know where you got the idea that you cannot mix these two tenses in the same sentence. As Lewis points out in The English Verb: An Exploration of Structure and Meaning (p148): "It is the verb phrase not the sentence which is the fundamental unit requiring analysis".
– Shoe
May 24 at 10:05
@Shoe sounds like the basis of an excellently concise answer - just needs a more neutral, more didactic opening sentence. ;-)
– Chappo
May 28 at 22:57
@Chappo. My comment was not intended to come across as polemical, and I hope the OP didn't regard it as such. As an English teacher I am genuinely interested to know where such misconceptions (or, to use a less neutral term, 'zombie rules') stem from. If the OP can tell us the source, then it can be pointed out, either that the source is wrong, or, which is more likely, that the OP has misunderstood the 'rule' or its scope. As to an answer, it really would not be much more than Lewis's quote, and I think Mari-Lou A wants more than that.
– Shoe
May 29 at 7:30