Are objects structures and/or vice versa?
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An interesting issue came up in a game we were playing recently: Our party was on an airship and attacked by flying young dragons. My sorcerer cast a spell that triggered a wild magic surge and rolled a self-centered fireball (at 20,000 feet, whee!).
Here's the issue. Fireball says:
The fire spreads around corners. It ignites flammable objects in the area that aren't being worn or carried.
I've noticed that certain monsters have the "Siege Monster" feature which says:
Siege Monster. The [monster] deals double damage to objects and structures.
This suggests that objects and structures are legally different things and therefore Fireball would ignite an object but not a structure.
But then, perhaps a structure is a type of object? What is the nature/relationship of these two classifications of entities?
(For what it's worth, we ruled that the rope rigging was flammable because rope appears on the gear item table).
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An interesting issue came up in a game we were playing recently: Our party was on an airship and attacked by flying young dragons. My sorcerer cast a spell that triggered a wild magic surge and rolled a self-centered fireball (at 20,000 feet, whee!).
Here's the issue. Fireball says:
The fire spreads around corners. It ignites flammable objects in the area that aren't being worn or carried.
I've noticed that certain monsters have the "Siege Monster" feature which says:
Siege Monster. The [monster] deals double damage to objects and structures.
This suggests that objects and structures are legally different things and therefore Fireball would ignite an object but not a structure.
But then, perhaps a structure is a type of object? What is the nature/relationship of these two classifications of entities?
(For what it's worth, we ruled that the rope rigging was flammable because rope appears on the gear item table).
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An interesting issue came up in a game we were playing recently: Our party was on an airship and attacked by flying young dragons. My sorcerer cast a spell that triggered a wild magic surge and rolled a self-centered fireball (at 20,000 feet, whee!).
Here's the issue. Fireball says:
The fire spreads around corners. It ignites flammable objects in the area that aren't being worn or carried.
I've noticed that certain monsters have the "Siege Monster" feature which says:
Siege Monster. The [monster] deals double damage to objects and structures.
This suggests that objects and structures are legally different things and therefore Fireball would ignite an object but not a structure.
But then, perhaps a structure is a type of object? What is the nature/relationship of these two classifications of entities?
(For what it's worth, we ruled that the rope rigging was flammable because rope appears on the gear item table).
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An interesting issue came up in a game we were playing recently: Our party was on an airship and attacked by flying young dragons. My sorcerer cast a spell that triggered a wild magic surge and rolled a self-centered fireball (at 20,000 feet, whee!).
Here's the issue. Fireball says:
The fire spreads around corners. It ignites flammable objects in the area that aren't being worn or carried.
I've noticed that certain monsters have the "Siege Monster" feature which says:
Siege Monster. The [monster] deals double damage to objects and structures.
This suggests that objects and structures are legally different things and therefore Fireball would ignite an object but not a structure.
But then, perhaps a structure is a type of object? What is the nature/relationship of these two classifications of entities?
(For what it's worth, we ruled that the rope rigging was flammable because rope appears on the gear item table).
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A structure is not an object, but is made of objects
From page 246 of the DMG and the basic rules:
For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.
Lacking a definition from the source books, a "structure" is defined by its common English definition, which would be:
the arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex.
Thus a structure might be considered to be "a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects".
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
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@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
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It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
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A structure is not an object, but is made of objects
From page 246 of the DMG and the basic rules:
For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.
Lacking a definition from the source books, a "structure" is defined by its common English definition, which would be:
the arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex.
Thus a structure might be considered to be "a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects".
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
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– NautArch
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@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
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It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
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A structure is not an object, but is made of objects
From page 246 of the DMG and the basic rules:
For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.
Lacking a definition from the source books, a "structure" is defined by its common English definition, which would be:
the arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex.
Thus a structure might be considered to be "a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects".
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
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– NautArch
yesterday
1
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@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
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– Mwr247
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It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
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– keithcurtis
yesterday
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
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– Rykara
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A structure is not an object, but is made of objects
From page 246 of the DMG and the basic rules:
For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.
Lacking a definition from the source books, a "structure" is defined by its common English definition, which would be:
the arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex.
Thus a structure might be considered to be "a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects".
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A structure is not an object, but is made of objects
From page 246 of the DMG and the basic rules:
For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.
Lacking a definition from the source books, a "structure" is defined by its common English definition, which would be:
the arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex.
Thus a structure might be considered to be "a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects".
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
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– NautArch
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@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
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– Mwr247
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It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
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– keithcurtis
yesterday
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
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– Rykara
yesterday
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1
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
$endgroup$
– NautArch
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
$endgroup$
– Mwr247
yesterday
3
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It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
$endgroup$
– keithcurtis
yesterday
1
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
yesterday
1
1
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
$endgroup$
– NautArch
yesterday
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You probably didn't even need to go with the common english. The object rules call out vehicle or building separately. But +1 anyway :)
$endgroup$
– NautArch
yesterday
1
1
$begingroup$
@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
$endgroup$
– Mwr247
yesterday
$begingroup$
@NautArch Agreed, but the object rules don't specifically state buildings or vehicles as structures. I wanted to solidify the assertion that 5e itself doesn't define what a structure is, and so we can fall back on the common definition to reach that conclusion with certainty.
$endgroup$
– Mwr247
yesterday
3
3
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It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
$endgroup$
– keithcurtis
yesterday
$begingroup$
It might be worth pointing out that common sense would indicate that a burning object could certainly eventually set fire to a structure (GM adjudication, of course). I don't think this sort of thing needs to be made explicit within the rules themselves, though.
$endgroup$
– keithcurtis
yesterday
1
1
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
yesterday
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"Is made of objects" that jibes with our table-side ruling of the rope rigging being flammable but not the deck planking.
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– Rykara
yesterday
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