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How to make healing in an exploration game interesting


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I'm creating a game with a heavy focus on exploration, though I'm at a bit of a loss for healing.



The problem is that I don't like the idea of enemies randomly dropping health, as this usually results in grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations(Metroid, Axiom Verge), and I don't want to copy the Soul/Focus system from Hollow Knight(Combat system has already been stolen by me :3), but Hollow Knight is the only game I've played with a focus on exploration that made healing interesting.



I've also thought of auto-regeneration, however that can easily lead to the player cowarding during a boss fight while they heal, and that would break the flow of the gameplay.



I've also considered something like striking a foe heals 1/8th of a health point, however this leads to the player feeling less tense after they take a gain 1/8th which will keep them from dying if they get hit again, and it makes the game feel like its all offense and little defense.



I've also though about an items approach where the player has to eat something or drink something to heal, however this doesn't really encourage healing as once you run out of items, you can no longer heal until you get some more(Legend of Zelda).



I've also though about no healing at all, however I noticed that when exploring and then you take a dumb hit before a hard boss, or a dumb hit before the boss gets hard(cough Cuphead cough), the player will just either commit suicide or run back to a healing station.



What can I do to make healing interesting, and not break the flow of gameplay?



This is a 2D platformer, and jumping is really important in the combat.










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    Could you elaborate more on the problems with healing through combat? To me it sounds like a risk/ reward tradeoff. However, your description sounds like once the player heals even a small bit, they are no longer in jeopardy of dying. Could you clarify any design assumptions that play into this?
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    Do any of these answers suggest making healing items easy to get, but super annoying animations to sit through and have to watch if you use the crappy ones? Honestly, I'd rather grind then have to sit through watching FFVIII's 45 second Diablos GF animation for the eleven thousandth time....
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    Check out Desktop Dungeons - exploring the dungeon regenerates health (and mana), however there is a limited amount of exploration. This leads to interesting mechanics where you can fight an enemy, explore to regain health, and then come back. The trick is that enemies also regenerate health when you explore! I think that they've dealt with your problem in a really elegant manner
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I'm creating a game with a heavy focus on exploration, though I'm at a bit of a loss for healing.



The problem is that I don't like the idea of enemies randomly dropping health, as this usually results in grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations(Metroid, Axiom Verge), and I don't want to copy the Soul/Focus system from Hollow Knight(Combat system has already been stolen by me :3), but Hollow Knight is the only game I've played with a focus on exploration that made healing interesting.



I've also thought of auto-regeneration, however that can easily lead to the player cowarding during a boss fight while they heal, and that would break the flow of the gameplay.



I've also considered something like striking a foe heals 1/8th of a health point, however this leads to the player feeling less tense after they take a gain 1/8th which will keep them from dying if they get hit again, and it makes the game feel like its all offense and little defense.



I've also though about an items approach where the player has to eat something or drink something to heal, however this doesn't really encourage healing as once you run out of items, you can no longer heal until you get some more(Legend of Zelda).



I've also though about no healing at all, however I noticed that when exploring and then you take a dumb hit before a hard boss, or a dumb hit before the boss gets hard(cough Cuphead cough), the player will just either commit suicide or run back to a healing station.



What can I do to make healing interesting, and not break the flow of gameplay?



This is a 2D platformer, and jumping is really important in the combat.










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    Could you elaborate more on the problems with healing through combat? To me it sounds like a risk/ reward tradeoff. However, your description sounds like once the player heals even a small bit, they are no longer in jeopardy of dying. Could you clarify any design assumptions that play into this?
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    Do any of these answers suggest making healing items easy to get, but super annoying animations to sit through and have to watch if you use the crappy ones? Honestly, I'd rather grind then have to sit through watching FFVIII's 45 second Diablos GF animation for the eleven thousandth time....
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    Check out Desktop Dungeons - exploring the dungeon regenerates health (and mana), however there is a limited amount of exploration. This leads to interesting mechanics where you can fight an enemy, explore to regain health, and then come back. The trick is that enemies also regenerate health when you explore! I think that they've dealt with your problem in a really elegant manner
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I'm creating a game with a heavy focus on exploration, though I'm at a bit of a loss for healing.



The problem is that I don't like the idea of enemies randomly dropping health, as this usually results in grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations(Metroid, Axiom Verge), and I don't want to copy the Soul/Focus system from Hollow Knight(Combat system has already been stolen by me :3), but Hollow Knight is the only game I've played with a focus on exploration that made healing interesting.



I've also thought of auto-regeneration, however that can easily lead to the player cowarding during a boss fight while they heal, and that would break the flow of the gameplay.



I've also considered something like striking a foe heals 1/8th of a health point, however this leads to the player feeling less tense after they take a gain 1/8th which will keep them from dying if they get hit again, and it makes the game feel like its all offense and little defense.



I've also though about an items approach where the player has to eat something or drink something to heal, however this doesn't really encourage healing as once you run out of items, you can no longer heal until you get some more(Legend of Zelda).



I've also though about no healing at all, however I noticed that when exploring and then you take a dumb hit before a hard boss, or a dumb hit before the boss gets hard(cough Cuphead cough), the player will just either commit suicide or run back to a healing station.



What can I do to make healing interesting, and not break the flow of gameplay?



This is a 2D platformer, and jumping is really important in the combat.










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I'm creating a game with a heavy focus on exploration, though I'm at a bit of a loss for healing.



The problem is that I don't like the idea of enemies randomly dropping health, as this usually results in grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations(Metroid, Axiom Verge), and I don't want to copy the Soul/Focus system from Hollow Knight(Combat system has already been stolen by me :3), but Hollow Knight is the only game I've played with a focus on exploration that made healing interesting.



I've also thought of auto-regeneration, however that can easily lead to the player cowarding during a boss fight while they heal, and that would break the flow of the gameplay.



I've also considered something like striking a foe heals 1/8th of a health point, however this leads to the player feeling less tense after they take a gain 1/8th which will keep them from dying if they get hit again, and it makes the game feel like its all offense and little defense.



I've also though about an items approach where the player has to eat something or drink something to heal, however this doesn't really encourage healing as once you run out of items, you can no longer heal until you get some more(Legend of Zelda).



I've also though about no healing at all, however I noticed that when exploring and then you take a dumb hit before a hard boss, or a dumb hit before the boss gets hard(cough Cuphead cough), the player will just either commit suicide or run back to a healing station.



What can I do to make healing interesting, and not break the flow of gameplay?



This is a 2D platformer, and jumping is really important in the combat.







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    Could you elaborate more on the problems with healing through combat? To me it sounds like a risk/ reward tradeoff. However, your description sounds like once the player heals even a small bit, they are no longer in jeopardy of dying. Could you clarify any design assumptions that play into this?
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    Diablo and Zelda offer in combat healing as a thing you have to go fetch mid-combat, making for some interesting tactical decisions
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    @Vakore: Ah, I was just playing Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker and others have pots in the corners of the boss rooms that you can break that have health or supplies. In some games you balance saving them vs the boss destroying them before you can use them.
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    Do any of these answers suggest making healing items easy to get, but super annoying animations to sit through and have to watch if you use the crappy ones? Honestly, I'd rather grind then have to sit through watching FFVIII's 45 second Diablos GF animation for the eleven thousandth time....
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    Check out Desktop Dungeons - exploring the dungeon regenerates health (and mana), however there is a limited amount of exploration. This leads to interesting mechanics where you can fight an enemy, explore to regain health, and then come back. The trick is that enemies also regenerate health when you explore! I think that they've dealt with your problem in a really elegant manner
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    Could you elaborate more on the problems with healing through combat? To me it sounds like a risk/ reward tradeoff. However, your description sounds like once the player heals even a small bit, they are no longer in jeopardy of dying. Could you clarify any design assumptions that play into this?
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    Diablo and Zelda offer in combat healing as a thing you have to go fetch mid-combat, making for some interesting tactical decisions
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    @Vakore: Ah, I was just playing Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker and others have pots in the corners of the boss rooms that you can break that have health or supplies. In some games you balance saving them vs the boss destroying them before you can use them.
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    Do any of these answers suggest making healing items easy to get, but super annoying animations to sit through and have to watch if you use the crappy ones? Honestly, I'd rather grind then have to sit through watching FFVIII's 45 second Diablos GF animation for the eleven thousandth time....
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    Check out Desktop Dungeons - exploring the dungeon regenerates health (and mana), however there is a limited amount of exploration. This leads to interesting mechanics where you can fight an enemy, explore to regain health, and then come back. The trick is that enemies also regenerate health when you explore! I think that they've dealt with your problem in a really elegant manner
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Could you elaborate more on the problems with healing through combat? To me it sounds like a risk/ reward tradeoff. However, your description sounds like once the player heals even a small bit, they are no longer in jeopardy of dying. Could you clarify any design assumptions that play into this?
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Could you elaborate more on the problems with healing through combat? To me it sounds like a risk/ reward tradeoff. However, your description sounds like once the player heals even a small bit, they are no longer in jeopardy of dying. Could you clarify any design assumptions that play into this?
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Diablo and Zelda offer in combat healing as a thing you have to go fetch mid-combat, making for some interesting tactical decisions
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@Vakore: Ah, I was just playing Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker and others have pots in the corners of the boss rooms that you can break that have health or supplies. In some games you balance saving them vs the boss destroying them before you can use them.
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@Vakore: Ah, I was just playing Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker and others have pots in the corners of the boss rooms that you can break that have health or supplies. In some games you balance saving them vs the boss destroying them before you can use them.
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Do any of these answers suggest making healing items easy to get, but super annoying animations to sit through and have to watch if you use the crappy ones? Honestly, I'd rather grind then have to sit through watching FFVIII's 45 second Diablos GF animation for the eleven thousandth time....
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Do any of these answers suggest making healing items easy to get, but super annoying animations to sit through and have to watch if you use the crappy ones? Honestly, I'd rather grind then have to sit through watching FFVIII's 45 second Diablos GF animation for the eleven thousandth time....
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Check out Desktop Dungeons - exploring the dungeon regenerates health (and mana), however there is a limited amount of exploration. This leads to interesting mechanics where you can fight an enemy, explore to regain health, and then come back. The trick is that enemies also regenerate health when you explore! I think that they've dealt with your problem in a really elegant manner
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Check out Desktop Dungeons - exploring the dungeon regenerates health (and mana), however there is a limited amount of exploration. This leads to interesting mechanics where you can fight an enemy, explore to regain health, and then come back. The trick is that enemies also regenerate health when you explore! I think that they've dealt with your problem in a really elegant manner
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Perhaps you can add some non-conventional healing system.



Like for example :



  1. Health steal -> percentage of health gained = percentage of enemy health lost, and varies with enemy level.


  2. Every nth hit -> every nth hit gains certain health with certain weapon/class/etc.


  3. Implement the common methods -> but minimal like 1-5%


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    1. You just gave me an idea with your wording... and the idea might solve my issue. I'll try it later today. +1 2. Said that already, but thanks for the weapons/classes idea. 3. You gave me an idea with the 1-5%, I could heal 1-5% of one segment of the player's HP when they attack an enemy(or if the idea you gave me works, I can just use this for mana and not be called a HK clone).
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    I don't see how the advantages/disadvantages of "health steal" are any different from "enemies drop health on death"
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    @Vakore How is that not the same type of grinding/farming you were trying to avoid in your question?
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    @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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I think you need to consider this at a more fundamental level: what is the gameplay purpose of having a health system in your game?



A conventional health system serves two purposes: (1) it gives a staged failure state to combat, and (2) it serves to create long term resource management with health between fights.



You say you want your game to be exploration heavy. Why is health and death part of your game at all? Is it just there to add challenge? How does the player losing health and then dying in combat support this goal? Does carrying injury from one combat to another support your goals for your game? If not, why use a conventional health system at all? Why not, just for example, have an indestructible character and make the challenge finding a way to get past enemies at all? Why not have being hit cost you some resource, like gold, instead of being a countdown to death?



In order to give a thoughtful design answer to how healing should work you first need to know why the player is healing at all.






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    I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
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    @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
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    @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
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    It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
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You mentioned having thought about auto-regeneration and your issue with that was the possibility of a player, while in the middle of a fight, running around while they auto-regenerate health.



Have you considered auto-regeneration only when not-in-combat (aka out-of-combat)? This is an approach taken in many games.



You could combine this with one or more of your other ideas for a way for players to heal while in-combat.




You also mentioned having thought about using healing items, but not wanting the player to feel discouraged from using them, for fear of running out of healing items and having to go collect more.



What if you combined this approach with one of an infinite-use heal? For example, an unlimited-use item that heals a small amount of health, in addition to a limited-use item that heals a large amount of health.



Another approach could be a healing skill/item that can be used over and over, but with a cooldown (or some other cost, such as mana). That way, the player would be able to regularly use their healing skill (when strategically applicable).




You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)






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    The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
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    How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
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    You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
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    @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
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There's lots of examples out there in 2D platforming, it's really a question of how you want healing to be "interesting"? I would agree with suggestions that "skillful" play should be rewarded, but also give the player enough opportunities to use resources and play strategically.



A few thoughts:



  • DeadCells uses a "flask" system where you fill up between levels (or healing station in your case) and can then heal a limited number of times using it. It also requires the player to stand still for a few seconds, making it tricky (not impossible) to use during combat.


  • Mario. You gain "health" (and abilities) by getting power ups. Getting hit loses these abilities/power ups, instead of you dying immediately.


  • Health steal/vampire. Kinda interesting, if your theme is right for it. But you've got to balance the game on the premise that you hit a lot more than you get hit, e.g. that 'slow, tanky' bosses become relatively easier.


  • You could look at making healing a limited resource that costs you something (e.g. points, gold, items whatever)


  • Some kind of special heal attack that is relatively difficult to hit with (long wind-up), and causes player to be vulnerable if they miss (long wind-down). It has a reasonable cooldown and/or cost. Heal amount is dependent on the health/difficulty of the opponent hit. Could be a nice balance of risk/reward. (i.e. I'm on low health, do I risk trying to land my heal on the boss?)






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Limit healing resources and put any additional resources into new, unexplored areas. Create the incentive where if a player wants to heal, they have to press on into more of the map.



You can do this a few ways:




  1. Have physical healing locations on the map, but cap the health they restore. Many games (like Metroid) have healing rooms, but they provide unlimited health, encouraging the player to backtrack when in danger. Instead, make them limited use.



    For example, in Moonlighter, each floor of the dungeon has a healing pond that restores a set amount of HP. Once this limit is hit, the pond is "used up" and no longer heals. The cap is also relatively low (a little less than the player's max HP)



    The pond on each floor has to be found in the first place (encouraging exploration) and when emptied, the player has to risk exploring the next (more difficult) floor if they want additional healing.




  2. Another option is to limit the number of healing items that exist in the game and hide them. This is often seen in survival horror games (I'm specifically thinking of Resident Evil 4 or the first Dead Space).



    This creates tension, as healing becomes high risk (health right now may mean less health later). The drawback of this approach is it can make a player avoid risk or combat. Survival horror games address this by making combat unavoidable (which, from an earlier comment, sounds like you are open to).



    Another strategy you can use is letting the player know that there will be more items in the next area. Tell them that, for example, "Each level has X healing talismans" (can be explicit dialog or a "You found X/X items" on the map screen).



    This way, they know that healing is limited and in order to heal, they have to explore. Also, if they want to heal more, they have to defeat the boss and move on to the next area.



  3. Lastly, you could figure out a way to tie health directly into progression, for example, every 1% of the map filled gives the player 1% health. Obviously, this needs more fleshing out (like, what happens after the player explores 100% of the map?), but if you figure out a mechanic where the only way to heal is to move forward, that would alleviate many of your concerns.


I hope this helped, good luck with your game!






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    If cowarding during a boss fight is your major problem with auto-regeneration, make the auto-regeneration non-linear: give it a cap of auto-regeneration, and disable it during boss fight (boss fight only, not normal combat).



    During normal exploration, make the auto-regeneration fast when your player is in low HP, and it gradually gets slower when HP regenerates (regen_speed = 1/HP). Such a system will make your player keep their HP not to low (hence the purpose of healing), but also not too high (higher HP, lower regen_speed).



    If the player is patient enough, or if your dynamic-healing-system is not set correctly, waiting can still be an option. To prevent this, set a max cap for auto-regeneration. For example, auto-regeneration speed is 0/second over 50% HP. You can still heal with potion, health stealing, spells etc. to go beyond 50% HP, but not auto-regeneration.



    Lastly, give the boss an aura that disable the auto-regeneration. If it's frustrating for players to start the boss fight with low HP, then give the boss an aura that "heals you to full health, but disable the auto-regeneration", or even with "heals you to full health, disable auto-regen, and revert your HP after the boss fight to pre-boss-fight level".



    An explanation for the last aura could be: the boss is fighting your player in the "soul realm", and thus



    • your soul HP is irrelevant with your character HP, and always starts with 100%

    • unlike physical body, soul don't heal themselves

    • after the fight, your soul goes back to the character, and hence your (character) HP will be the same level pre-fight





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      Doom (2016) actually has a great example of rewarding interesting gameplay with healing through its glory kill system. By rewarding the player with health for getting close to finish off demons, it was able to create a gritty fast-paced in-your-face adrenaline shooter in stark contrast to the cover-based shooters that dominate the market. You could do this same sort of thing, but rewarding the kind of gameplay relevant to your game



      If your goal is to drive exploration and platforming, work with that. Create healing triggers based on that. Maybe every time you enter a room you've never been in before, recover something like 25% of your health (or 100% when entering a boss room). Perhaps even have healing for killing an enemy for the first time. You could also put a few frames of invincibility at the beginning of jumps and add a small amount of healing if you get hit within this window (perfect dodge healing).






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        I'll keep all of this in mind. I've seen some gameplay of Doom 2016, and it never occurred to me that the health is managed expertly in that game.
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      Missed the timeframe by the looks of it, but will still complete my answer:



      Associate self-healing in-combat mainly with the player performing combos. It could be combos that the players are taught or that they are subtly hinted at, through messages of general explanation or by suggesting the combo for a particular situation.



      Considering the fact that you want to find a way for gaining health and mana, performing combos could cost mana, but heal you and in order to gain mana the player has to be accurate with their combos. This would also provide a relatively sustainable approach for a player that seems to be always 'in combat', since everything they would need to succeed is all about their skill.



      You can always tweak the numbers by:

      - making harder combos heal for more

      - having higher accuracy on landing combos gives you more mana

      - adding synergy between weapons and health/mana (such that if you have a weapon that has Combo Power +10 would give 10% more healing and more mana from combos, or Healing Power +10 only 10% more healing.

      - since I saw classes mentioned, you could also have class synergies where, I don't know a Druid gains more Healh innately but has weaker damage to compensate, or a Mage gets more mana out of combos, Archer would have more accuracy on combos, and so on... (Just examples, I know it might be far from your game world.)



      This would allow to have levels of difficulty and would mean that, at times, players (and/or their classes) would need some item/strategy in approaching an enemy. It would also require that players get a grasp of the synergies and the advantages and disadvantages of items/classes/combos. You also get to have a more developed world if you wish :)






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        There's been an isometric (like Fallout 1&2) 'Fallout 76'-like fan made free game available for the last eight years, called Fonline (F-Online; Fallout Online). All you need are the copyrighted data files from F2.



        It has a more or less open world, where in instanced encounters you can usually find the two things you need to craft healing powder : a broc flower and a xander root. Maximum carry weight and the time it would take to make too many, prevents abuse and getting stuck because something is too hard.



        The flowers and roots aren't hard to find like in Fallout3, you just grind as many as you need until that gets boring and you think you can handle it. All the while, real people and NPCs can come kill you and take all your stuff, but at least you get a little XP for crafting things.



        Healing level interest: 9/10.



        Agency: 11/10. Because there are several ways to heal yourself; the better ones come at the cost of sacrificing points into non-combat skills such as First Aid, or the ability to craft stimpaks (which require points in Science, a blueprint, and having paid to learn the Chemist profession).



        Healing Powder is pretty much useless in combat for even mid-level characters; it's what you use afterwards because they're free.




        For a 2D platformer, you need to make (procedurally generated?) places where they can grind what they need if they have to. Otherwise you just die or run back to the save spot like in Castlevania SotN.



        If I died because I ran out of powders, that's my fault.... Agency.






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          If you've never Fonlined, try Reloaded (they can't take your stuff). If you want the real deal, try Fonline2. If you speak Russian or Polish, try Requiem (English is available too though).
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          You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
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          @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
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          I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
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          @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
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        Have your character eat or drink to heal. Although they can use it unlimited times, you can limit it behind a long use-time—that is, they are required to stand still for 5+ seconds to heal. Have the item only heal 10%-25% means they have to use it multiple times. This would encourage exploring.



        As for bosses. Providing an area to "catch-your-breath" before you start the fight would allow them to heal up before fights. Bosses could have "quick interrupt" abilities that they use when you try to heal, thus preventing you from cowering/hiding, while some bosses would have long animations or routines, thus making healing a possible strategy in those "windows" (or dealing a little extra damage).



        Maybe have artifacts or relics that the hero can switch between that provide different healing benefits. Such as passive health regen, consumption healing (food), life-steal, etc. Thus, the player can decide which they prefer to play with.






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          Dual hit point system



          Pillar of Eternity has an interesting approach to it, having two types of hit points, which may help you or give some ideas:



          Endurance



          Whenever a combat starts, this is a character's hit points for the duration of the combat. It quickly regenerates outside of combat. When the character drops to 0, it is incapacitated for the rest of the fight (other characters can still fight, alternatively it could also mean death for single characters). When a character takes damage, it drains both, Endurance and Health. Healing only affects Endurance and is therefore only relevant in combat.



          Health



          This is the long term hit points characters have. It is a multitude of Endurance, and the given Endurance in a combat can not exceed the remaining Health of a character. When Health drops to 0, a character dies. Resources have to be used/sacrificed to restore this, and it does not regenerate. Also there are interactions with abilities, like restoring Endurance in a fight, but not Health.




          Now as an example, you can have a warrior with 20 maximum Endurance and 100 maximum Health. You go around, fight enemies, lose Health from combat to combat. The benefit is this: The character has something long-term to handle while progressing through the game, which can be more slow and difficult to maintain - but the immediate combat hit points are not drastically low or high in order to balance it.




          Possible variations:



          • Endurance scales with the relative amount of current Health. Meaning as Health drops from fight to fight, the character becomes weaker as well in combat, either by starting with less Endurance or suffering less power.

          • Similar to Overwatch, an additional layer of hit points could be added, like Armor. Meaning you can allow your character to take some damage in each combat without draining Health.

          • Another version is Endurance which regenerates in a moderate pace in combat, where Health does not. Effectively it would mean the player must take care not to take too much damage in a too short time-span, but also consider that he won't regenerate hit points forever.

          • Another honorable mention is World of Warships, where only a part of damage taken can be repaired - be it the last 'n' amount of damage or n% of total damage taken. In essence this is also a dual hit point system. Variance can be had in damage types, meaning some may be better at preventing repair at the cost of other factors.





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            Another idea:



            You generate mana through movement.
            You can spend mana (via a button) to heal.
            However, while healing, you move at a slower pace (risk enemies catching up) and cannot jump (limited mobility).






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              Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
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              Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
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            Pretty much along the lines of the answer @CertainlyNot provided:



            Have you ever played Quest64? You regain magic points by moving around in the world, and striking enemies with melee attacks. You obtain limited amounts of healing items, and a majority of the healing in the later parts of the game in between (or during) fights will come from healing spells. Due to the random encounter system in the game, there's an interesting risk-reward to saving mana for fights, or spending it as you gain it to heal up. Perhaps something like this is what you're looking for.






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              Perhaps you can add some non-conventional healing system.



              Like for example :



              1. Health steal -> percentage of health gained = percentage of enemy health lost, and varies with enemy level.


              2. Every nth hit -> every nth hit gains certain health with certain weapon/class/etc.


              3. Implement the common methods -> but minimal like 1-5%


              Think something like these, maybe ?






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                1. You just gave me an idea with your wording... and the idea might solve my issue. I'll try it later today. +1 2. Said that already, but thanks for the weapons/classes idea. 3. You gave me an idea with the 1-5%, I could heal 1-5% of one segment of the player's HP when they attack an enemy(or if the idea you gave me works, I can just use this for mana and not be called a HK clone).
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                I don't see how the advantages/disadvantages of "health steal" are any different from "enemies drop health on death"
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                @BlueRaja Kill enemy: Health, Slappa enemy while running: Health
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                @Vakore How is that not the same type of grinding/farming you were trying to avoid in your question?
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                @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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              Perhaps you can add some non-conventional healing system.



              Like for example :



              1. Health steal -> percentage of health gained = percentage of enemy health lost, and varies with enemy level.


              2. Every nth hit -> every nth hit gains certain health with certain weapon/class/etc.


              3. Implement the common methods -> but minimal like 1-5%


              Think something like these, maybe ?






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                1. You just gave me an idea with your wording... and the idea might solve my issue. I'll try it later today. +1 2. Said that already, but thanks for the weapons/classes idea. 3. You gave me an idea with the 1-5%, I could heal 1-5% of one segment of the player's HP when they attack an enemy(or if the idea you gave me works, I can just use this for mana and not be called a HK clone).
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                @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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              2. Every nth hit -> every nth hit gains certain health with certain weapon/class/etc.


              3. Implement the common methods -> but minimal like 1-5%


              Think something like these, maybe ?






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              3. Implement the common methods -> but minimal like 1-5%


              Think something like these, maybe ?







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                1. You just gave me an idea with your wording... and the idea might solve my issue. I'll try it later today. +1 2. Said that already, but thanks for the weapons/classes idea. 3. You gave me an idea with the 1-5%, I could heal 1-5% of one segment of the player's HP when they attack an enemy(or if the idea you gave me works, I can just use this for mana and not be called a HK clone).
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                @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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                1. You just gave me an idea with your wording... and the idea might solve my issue. I'll try it later today. +1 2. Said that already, but thanks for the weapons/classes idea. 3. You gave me an idea with the 1-5%, I could heal 1-5% of one segment of the player's HP when they attack an enemy(or if the idea you gave me works, I can just use this for mana and not be called a HK clone).
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                @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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              1. You just gave me an idea with your wording... and the idea might solve my issue. I'll try it later today. +1 2. Said that already, but thanks for the weapons/classes idea. 3. You gave me an idea with the 1-5%, I could heal 1-5% of one segment of the player's HP when they attack an enemy(or if the idea you gave me works, I can just use this for mana and not be called a HK clone).
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              @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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              @ChrisHayes Killing enemies randomly drops health. Attacking an enemy gives some health, and you don't have to stop to completely kill one. Just run, and while you're climbing a tower or something, you just do one swoop and keep going. Also, enemies you do have to kill will give you health. When you have to kill enemies that randomly drop health(or even if it isn't random), you have to do a lot of stopping.
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              I think you need to consider this at a more fundamental level: what is the gameplay purpose of having a health system in your game?



              A conventional health system serves two purposes: (1) it gives a staged failure state to combat, and (2) it serves to create long term resource management with health between fights.



              You say you want your game to be exploration heavy. Why is health and death part of your game at all? Is it just there to add challenge? How does the player losing health and then dying in combat support this goal? Does carrying injury from one combat to another support your goals for your game? If not, why use a conventional health system at all? Why not, just for example, have an indestructible character and make the challenge finding a way to get past enemies at all? Why not have being hit cost you some resource, like gold, instead of being a countdown to death?



              In order to give a thoughtful design answer to how healing should work you first need to know why the player is healing at all.






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              • $begingroup$
                I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago











              • $begingroup$
                C: None conventional way works. I was wrong.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
                $endgroup$
                – Yakk
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
                $endgroup$
                – Lunin
                2 days ago






              • 2




                $begingroup$
                It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
                $endgroup$
                – R. Schmitz
                2 days ago















              37












              $begingroup$

              I think you need to consider this at a more fundamental level: what is the gameplay purpose of having a health system in your game?



              A conventional health system serves two purposes: (1) it gives a staged failure state to combat, and (2) it serves to create long term resource management with health between fights.



              You say you want your game to be exploration heavy. Why is health and death part of your game at all? Is it just there to add challenge? How does the player losing health and then dying in combat support this goal? Does carrying injury from one combat to another support your goals for your game? If not, why use a conventional health system at all? Why not, just for example, have an indestructible character and make the challenge finding a way to get past enemies at all? Why not have being hit cost you some resource, like gold, instead of being a countdown to death?



              In order to give a thoughtful design answer to how healing should work you first need to know why the player is healing at all.






              share|improve this answer









              $endgroup$












              • $begingroup$
                I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago











              • $begingroup$
                C: None conventional way works. I was wrong.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
                $endgroup$
                – Yakk
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
                $endgroup$
                – Lunin
                2 days ago






              • 2




                $begingroup$
                It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
                $endgroup$
                – R. Schmitz
                2 days ago













              37












              37








              37





              $begingroup$

              I think you need to consider this at a more fundamental level: what is the gameplay purpose of having a health system in your game?



              A conventional health system serves two purposes: (1) it gives a staged failure state to combat, and (2) it serves to create long term resource management with health between fights.



              You say you want your game to be exploration heavy. Why is health and death part of your game at all? Is it just there to add challenge? How does the player losing health and then dying in combat support this goal? Does carrying injury from one combat to another support your goals for your game? If not, why use a conventional health system at all? Why not, just for example, have an indestructible character and make the challenge finding a way to get past enemies at all? Why not have being hit cost you some resource, like gold, instead of being a countdown to death?



              In order to give a thoughtful design answer to how healing should work you first need to know why the player is healing at all.






              share|improve this answer









              $endgroup$



              I think you need to consider this at a more fundamental level: what is the gameplay purpose of having a health system in your game?



              A conventional health system serves two purposes: (1) it gives a staged failure state to combat, and (2) it serves to create long term resource management with health between fights.



              You say you want your game to be exploration heavy. Why is health and death part of your game at all? Is it just there to add challenge? How does the player losing health and then dying in combat support this goal? Does carrying injury from one combat to another support your goals for your game? If not, why use a conventional health system at all? Why not, just for example, have an indestructible character and make the challenge finding a way to get past enemies at all? Why not have being hit cost you some resource, like gold, instead of being a countdown to death?



              In order to give a thoughtful design answer to how healing should work you first need to know why the player is healing at all.







              share|improve this answer












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              answered 2 days ago









              Jack AidleyJack Aidley

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              • $begingroup$
                I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago











              • $begingroup$
                C: None conventional way works. I was wrong.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
                $endgroup$
                – Yakk
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
                $endgroup$
                – Lunin
                2 days ago






              • 2




                $begingroup$
                It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
                $endgroup$
                – R. Schmitz
                2 days ago
















              • $begingroup$
                I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago











              • $begingroup$
                C: None conventional way works. I was wrong.
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
                $endgroup$
                – Yakk
                2 days ago






              • 7




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
                $endgroup$
                – Lunin
                2 days ago






              • 2




                $begingroup$
                It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
                $endgroup$
                – R. Schmitz
                2 days ago















              $begingroup$
              I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago





              $begingroup$
              I already know why I want health: A: For Challenge, and what causes failure. Also to give player incentive to re-explore areas when trying to reclaim their money(or whatever I decide they lose) so that they might spot something important they missed. B: Tension, and to give the world a sense of danger C: A none-convention way(such as Specter Knight New Game+) may ruin the atmosphere I'm trying to create.
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago













              $begingroup$
              C: None conventional way works. I was wrong.
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              C: None conventional way works. I was wrong.
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago




              7




              7




              $begingroup$
              @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
              $endgroup$
              – Yakk
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              @Vakore "Challenge" is vague. You can have challenge in games without health. And the two kinds of health (staged failure in fights, and long term resource management) give two kinds of "Challenge"; saying "I want Challenge" neither requires health nor describes what kind of health to use! "Trying to reclaim their money" -- is that about death? Death doesn't require health (either short or long term). Jack's points are on topic: figure out as accurately as possible what you want the Health system to do to figure out how it should work.
              $endgroup$
              – Yakk
              2 days ago




              7




              7




              $begingroup$
              @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
              $endgroup$
              – Lunin
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              @Vakore For your specific example, you mention not wanting life steal due to it being too offense only, and you also don't want grinding, farming, returning to safety, or waiting for various other reasons. In that case, what it sounds like you want is for exploring to recover health. Perhaps you can find places to heal with limited healing supplies, thus in order to recover you need to explore. It could be you can return to a place once or twice to heal but after that you must push forward. For another explore->recover example, look at the game Desktop Dungeons where FoW = HP/MP recovery
              $endgroup$
              – Lunin
              2 days ago




              2




              2




              $begingroup$
              It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
              $endgroup$
              – R. Schmitz
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              It should be noted that the points ABC OP gives here can all be achieved with any kind of health system, it doesn't narrow it down one bit. Even a Call of Duty-style "don't get hit for 2 seconds and you auto heal" would achieve that. And the point about reclaiming after death, health actually works against that - after all, that was the place where you spent so much of your health resource that you died.
              $endgroup$
              – R. Schmitz
              2 days ago











              13












              $begingroup$

              You mentioned having thought about auto-regeneration and your issue with that was the possibility of a player, while in the middle of a fight, running around while they auto-regenerate health.



              Have you considered auto-regeneration only when not-in-combat (aka out-of-combat)? This is an approach taken in many games.



              You could combine this with one or more of your other ideas for a way for players to heal while in-combat.




              You also mentioned having thought about using healing items, but not wanting the player to feel discouraged from using them, for fear of running out of healing items and having to go collect more.



              What if you combined this approach with one of an infinite-use heal? For example, an unlimited-use item that heals a small amount of health, in addition to a limited-use item that heals a large amount of health.



              Another approach could be a healing skill/item that can be used over and over, but with a cooldown (or some other cost, such as mana). That way, the player would be able to regularly use their healing skill (when strategically applicable).




              You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)






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              • 1




                $begingroup$
                The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago







              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Edited with a couple more ideas
                $endgroup$
                – DerpKat
                2 days ago










              • $begingroup$
                How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
                $endgroup$
                – DerpKat
                2 days ago






              • 5




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
                $endgroup$
                – supercat
                2 days ago















              13












              $begingroup$

              You mentioned having thought about auto-regeneration and your issue with that was the possibility of a player, while in the middle of a fight, running around while they auto-regenerate health.



              Have you considered auto-regeneration only when not-in-combat (aka out-of-combat)? This is an approach taken in many games.



              You could combine this with one or more of your other ideas for a way for players to heal while in-combat.




              You also mentioned having thought about using healing items, but not wanting the player to feel discouraged from using them, for fear of running out of healing items and having to go collect more.



              What if you combined this approach with one of an infinite-use heal? For example, an unlimited-use item that heals a small amount of health, in addition to a limited-use item that heals a large amount of health.



              Another approach could be a healing skill/item that can be used over and over, but with a cooldown (or some other cost, such as mana). That way, the player would be able to regularly use their healing skill (when strategically applicable).




              You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)






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              • 1




                $begingroup$
                The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago







              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Edited with a couple more ideas
                $endgroup$
                – DerpKat
                2 days ago










              • $begingroup$
                How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
                $endgroup$
                – DerpKat
                2 days ago






              • 5




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
                $endgroup$
                – supercat
                2 days ago













              13












              13








              13





              $begingroup$

              You mentioned having thought about auto-regeneration and your issue with that was the possibility of a player, while in the middle of a fight, running around while they auto-regenerate health.



              Have you considered auto-regeneration only when not-in-combat (aka out-of-combat)? This is an approach taken in many games.



              You could combine this with one or more of your other ideas for a way for players to heal while in-combat.




              You also mentioned having thought about using healing items, but not wanting the player to feel discouraged from using them, for fear of running out of healing items and having to go collect more.



              What if you combined this approach with one of an infinite-use heal? For example, an unlimited-use item that heals a small amount of health, in addition to a limited-use item that heals a large amount of health.



              Another approach could be a healing skill/item that can be used over and over, but with a cooldown (or some other cost, such as mana). That way, the player would be able to regularly use their healing skill (when strategically applicable).




              You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)






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              $endgroup$



              You mentioned having thought about auto-regeneration and your issue with that was the possibility of a player, while in the middle of a fight, running around while they auto-regenerate health.



              Have you considered auto-regeneration only when not-in-combat (aka out-of-combat)? This is an approach taken in many games.



              You could combine this with one or more of your other ideas for a way for players to heal while in-combat.




              You also mentioned having thought about using healing items, but not wanting the player to feel discouraged from using them, for fear of running out of healing items and having to go collect more.



              What if you combined this approach with one of an infinite-use heal? For example, an unlimited-use item that heals a small amount of health, in addition to a limited-use item that heals a large amount of health.



              Another approach could be a healing skill/item that can be used over and over, but with a cooldown (or some other cost, such as mana). That way, the player would be able to regularly use their healing skill (when strategically applicable).




              You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)







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              edited 2 days ago





















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              answered 2 days ago









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              • 1




                $begingroup$
                The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago







              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Edited with a couple more ideas
                $endgroup$
                – DerpKat
                2 days ago










              • $begingroup$
                How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
                $endgroup$
                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
                $endgroup$
                – DerpKat
                2 days ago






              • 5




                $begingroup$
                @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
                $endgroup$
                – supercat
                2 days ago












              • 1




                $begingroup$
                The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
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                2 days ago







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                Edited with a couple more ideas
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                – DerpKat
                2 days ago










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                How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
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                – Vakore
                2 days ago






              • 1




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                You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
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                – DerpKat
                2 days ago






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                $begingroup$
                @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
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                2 days ago







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              1




              $begingroup$
              The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago





              $begingroup$
              The problem is, the player is always 'in combat'. When exploring, bats or Shreks or whatever will be charging at the player most of the time. Also, when exploring, and then a boss surprises the player(which I plan to happen), and the player is low on health, they might become frustrated with the fact that they are low on health. If they knew that a boss was going to pop out, they would've stopped exploring and waited and healed. See(Hollow Knight spoilers): youtube.com/watch?v=BNgdkrgry0g to know what I mean(except in hollow knight it isn't frustrating).
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago





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              Edited with a couple more ideas
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              – DerpKat
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              Edited with a couple more ideas
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              – DerpKat
              2 days ago












              $begingroup$
              How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              How do you suggest I go about mana then? If enemies randomly drop it, then it feels grindy, going back to another one of my problems. If it is gained by attacking enemies, back to my "Hollow Knight copycat" problem. A cooldown does work, but again, back to player cowarding problem. I really appreciate you trying to help, but apparently this question is a little harder to answer than I thought...
              $endgroup$
              – Vakore
              2 days ago




              1




              1




              $begingroup$
              You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
              $endgroup$
              – DerpKat
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              You could have auto-regeneration, but discourage players from waiting for it all the time by making it very slow regeneration. Then have other healing methods that encourage or promote the way you'd like the player to play (like the idea to heal when you hit an enemy)
              $endgroup$
              – DerpKat
              2 days ago




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              @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
              $endgroup$
              – supercat
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              @Vakore: Allow rapid healing and mana recovery when "in camp", with a proviso that camping takes relatively little "player" time, but may use up a significant amount of "game" time. One could also have slow healing and mana recovery when not in camp, but with the proviso that enemies also recover with time, but do so faster than the player. If one cowers in the middle of a boss fight to regain health or mana, one might avoid imminent death, but the enemy would be back up to full strength afterward.
              $endgroup$
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              2 days ago











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              There's lots of examples out there in 2D platforming, it's really a question of how you want healing to be "interesting"? I would agree with suggestions that "skillful" play should be rewarded, but also give the player enough opportunities to use resources and play strategically.



              A few thoughts:



              • DeadCells uses a "flask" system where you fill up between levels (or healing station in your case) and can then heal a limited number of times using it. It also requires the player to stand still for a few seconds, making it tricky (not impossible) to use during combat.


              • Mario. You gain "health" (and abilities) by getting power ups. Getting hit loses these abilities/power ups, instead of you dying immediately.


              • Health steal/vampire. Kinda interesting, if your theme is right for it. But you've got to balance the game on the premise that you hit a lot more than you get hit, e.g. that 'slow, tanky' bosses become relatively easier.


              • You could look at making healing a limited resource that costs you something (e.g. points, gold, items whatever)


              • Some kind of special heal attack that is relatively difficult to hit with (long wind-up), and causes player to be vulnerable if they miss (long wind-down). It has a reasonable cooldown and/or cost. Heal amount is dependent on the health/difficulty of the opponent hit. Could be a nice balance of risk/reward. (i.e. I'm on low health, do I risk trying to land my heal on the boss?)






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                You could combine 3+5 together. A Vampire hitting someone with a sword isn't going to heal, but "going in for a drink" would leave them quite exposed, so that would be an interesting trade-off to work with.
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              $begingroup$

              There's lots of examples out there in 2D platforming, it's really a question of how you want healing to be "interesting"? I would agree with suggestions that "skillful" play should be rewarded, but also give the player enough opportunities to use resources and play strategically.



              A few thoughts:



              • DeadCells uses a "flask" system where you fill up between levels (or healing station in your case) and can then heal a limited number of times using it. It also requires the player to stand still for a few seconds, making it tricky (not impossible) to use during combat.


              • Mario. You gain "health" (and abilities) by getting power ups. Getting hit loses these abilities/power ups, instead of you dying immediately.


              • Health steal/vampire. Kinda interesting, if your theme is right for it. But you've got to balance the game on the premise that you hit a lot more than you get hit, e.g. that 'slow, tanky' bosses become relatively easier.


              • You could look at making healing a limited resource that costs you something (e.g. points, gold, items whatever)


              • Some kind of special heal attack that is relatively difficult to hit with (long wind-up), and causes player to be vulnerable if they miss (long wind-down). It has a reasonable cooldown and/or cost. Heal amount is dependent on the health/difficulty of the opponent hit. Could be a nice balance of risk/reward. (i.e. I'm on low health, do I risk trying to land my heal on the boss?)






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                $begingroup$
                You could combine 3+5 together. A Vampire hitting someone with a sword isn't going to heal, but "going in for a drink" would leave them quite exposed, so that would be an interesting trade-off to work with.
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                2 days ago













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              $begingroup$

              There's lots of examples out there in 2D platforming, it's really a question of how you want healing to be "interesting"? I would agree with suggestions that "skillful" play should be rewarded, but also give the player enough opportunities to use resources and play strategically.



              A few thoughts:



              • DeadCells uses a "flask" system where you fill up between levels (or healing station in your case) and can then heal a limited number of times using it. It also requires the player to stand still for a few seconds, making it tricky (not impossible) to use during combat.


              • Mario. You gain "health" (and abilities) by getting power ups. Getting hit loses these abilities/power ups, instead of you dying immediately.


              • Health steal/vampire. Kinda interesting, if your theme is right for it. But you've got to balance the game on the premise that you hit a lot more than you get hit, e.g. that 'slow, tanky' bosses become relatively easier.


              • You could look at making healing a limited resource that costs you something (e.g. points, gold, items whatever)


              • Some kind of special heal attack that is relatively difficult to hit with (long wind-up), and causes player to be vulnerable if they miss (long wind-down). It has a reasonable cooldown and/or cost. Heal amount is dependent on the health/difficulty of the opponent hit. Could be a nice balance of risk/reward. (i.e. I'm on low health, do I risk trying to land my heal on the boss?)






              share|improve this answer









              $endgroup$



              There's lots of examples out there in 2D platforming, it's really a question of how you want healing to be "interesting"? I would agree with suggestions that "skillful" play should be rewarded, but also give the player enough opportunities to use resources and play strategically.



              A few thoughts:



              • DeadCells uses a "flask" system where you fill up between levels (or healing station in your case) and can then heal a limited number of times using it. It also requires the player to stand still for a few seconds, making it tricky (not impossible) to use during combat.


              • Mario. You gain "health" (and abilities) by getting power ups. Getting hit loses these abilities/power ups, instead of you dying immediately.


              • Health steal/vampire. Kinda interesting, if your theme is right for it. But you've got to balance the game on the premise that you hit a lot more than you get hit, e.g. that 'slow, tanky' bosses become relatively easier.


              • You could look at making healing a limited resource that costs you something (e.g. points, gold, items whatever)


              • Some kind of special heal attack that is relatively difficult to hit with (long wind-up), and causes player to be vulnerable if they miss (long wind-down). It has a reasonable cooldown and/or cost. Heal amount is dependent on the health/difficulty of the opponent hit. Could be a nice balance of risk/reward. (i.e. I'm on low health, do I risk trying to land my heal on the boss?)







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                You could combine 3+5 together. A Vampire hitting someone with a sword isn't going to heal, but "going in for a drink" would leave them quite exposed, so that would be an interesting trade-off to work with.
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                – Jozef Woods
                2 days ago












              • 1




                $begingroup$
                You could combine 3+5 together. A Vampire hitting someone with a sword isn't going to heal, but "going in for a drink" would leave them quite exposed, so that would be an interesting trade-off to work with.
                $endgroup$
                – Jozef Woods
                2 days ago







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              $begingroup$
              You could combine 3+5 together. A Vampire hitting someone with a sword isn't going to heal, but "going in for a drink" would leave them quite exposed, so that would be an interesting trade-off to work with.
              $endgroup$
              – Jozef Woods
              2 days ago




              $begingroup$
              You could combine 3+5 together. A Vampire hitting someone with a sword isn't going to heal, but "going in for a drink" would leave them quite exposed, so that would be an interesting trade-off to work with.
              $endgroup$
              – Jozef Woods
              2 days ago











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              Limit healing resources and put any additional resources into new, unexplored areas. Create the incentive where if a player wants to heal, they have to press on into more of the map.



              You can do this a few ways:




              1. Have physical healing locations on the map, but cap the health they restore. Many games (like Metroid) have healing rooms, but they provide unlimited health, encouraging the player to backtrack when in danger. Instead, make them limited use.



                For example, in Moonlighter, each floor of the dungeon has a healing pond that restores a set amount of HP. Once this limit is hit, the pond is "used up" and no longer heals. The cap is also relatively low (a little less than the player's max HP)



                The pond on each floor has to be found in the first place (encouraging exploration) and when emptied, the player has to risk exploring the next (more difficult) floor if they want additional healing.




              2. Another option is to limit the number of healing items that exist in the game and hide them. This is often seen in survival horror games (I'm specifically thinking of Resident Evil 4 or the first Dead Space).



                This creates tension, as healing becomes high risk (health right now may mean less health later). The drawback of this approach is it can make a player avoid risk or combat. Survival horror games address this by making combat unavoidable (which, from an earlier comment, sounds like you are open to).



                Another strategy you can use is letting the player know that there will be more items in the next area. Tell them that, for example, "Each level has X healing talismans" (can be explicit dialog or a "You found X/X items" on the map screen).



                This way, they know that healing is limited and in order to heal, they have to explore. Also, if they want to heal more, they have to defeat the boss and move on to the next area.



              3. Lastly, you could figure out a way to tie health directly into progression, for example, every 1% of the map filled gives the player 1% health. Obviously, this needs more fleshing out (like, what happens after the player explores 100% of the map?), but if you figure out a mechanic where the only way to heal is to move forward, that would alleviate many of your concerns.


              I hope this helped, good luck with your game!






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                $begingroup$

                Limit healing resources and put any additional resources into new, unexplored areas. Create the incentive where if a player wants to heal, they have to press on into more of the map.



                You can do this a few ways:




                1. Have physical healing locations on the map, but cap the health they restore. Many games (like Metroid) have healing rooms, but they provide unlimited health, encouraging the player to backtrack when in danger. Instead, make them limited use.



                  For example, in Moonlighter, each floor of the dungeon has a healing pond that restores a set amount of HP. Once this limit is hit, the pond is "used up" and no longer heals. The cap is also relatively low (a little less than the player's max HP)



                  The pond on each floor has to be found in the first place (encouraging exploration) and when emptied, the player has to risk exploring the next (more difficult) floor if they want additional healing.




                2. Another option is to limit the number of healing items that exist in the game and hide them. This is often seen in survival horror games (I'm specifically thinking of Resident Evil 4 or the first Dead Space).



                  This creates tension, as healing becomes high risk (health right now may mean less health later). The drawback of this approach is it can make a player avoid risk or combat. Survival horror games address this by making combat unavoidable (which, from an earlier comment, sounds like you are open to).



                  Another strategy you can use is letting the player know that there will be more items in the next area. Tell them that, for example, "Each level has X healing talismans" (can be explicit dialog or a "You found X/X items" on the map screen).



                  This way, they know that healing is limited and in order to heal, they have to explore. Also, if they want to heal more, they have to defeat the boss and move on to the next area.



                3. Lastly, you could figure out a way to tie health directly into progression, for example, every 1% of the map filled gives the player 1% health. Obviously, this needs more fleshing out (like, what happens after the player explores 100% of the map?), but if you figure out a mechanic where the only way to heal is to move forward, that would alleviate many of your concerns.


                I hope this helped, good luck with your game!






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                  $begingroup$

                  Limit healing resources and put any additional resources into new, unexplored areas. Create the incentive where if a player wants to heal, they have to press on into more of the map.



                  You can do this a few ways:




                  1. Have physical healing locations on the map, but cap the health they restore. Many games (like Metroid) have healing rooms, but they provide unlimited health, encouraging the player to backtrack when in danger. Instead, make them limited use.



                    For example, in Moonlighter, each floor of the dungeon has a healing pond that restores a set amount of HP. Once this limit is hit, the pond is "used up" and no longer heals. The cap is also relatively low (a little less than the player's max HP)



                    The pond on each floor has to be found in the first place (encouraging exploration) and when emptied, the player has to risk exploring the next (more difficult) floor if they want additional healing.




                  2. Another option is to limit the number of healing items that exist in the game and hide them. This is often seen in survival horror games (I'm specifically thinking of Resident Evil 4 or the first Dead Space).



                    This creates tension, as healing becomes high risk (health right now may mean less health later). The drawback of this approach is it can make a player avoid risk or combat. Survival horror games address this by making combat unavoidable (which, from an earlier comment, sounds like you are open to).



                    Another strategy you can use is letting the player know that there will be more items in the next area. Tell them that, for example, "Each level has X healing talismans" (can be explicit dialog or a "You found X/X items" on the map screen).



                    This way, they know that healing is limited and in order to heal, they have to explore. Also, if they want to heal more, they have to defeat the boss and move on to the next area.



                  3. Lastly, you could figure out a way to tie health directly into progression, for example, every 1% of the map filled gives the player 1% health. Obviously, this needs more fleshing out (like, what happens after the player explores 100% of the map?), but if you figure out a mechanic where the only way to heal is to move forward, that would alleviate many of your concerns.


                  I hope this helped, good luck with your game!






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                  Limit healing resources and put any additional resources into new, unexplored areas. Create the incentive where if a player wants to heal, they have to press on into more of the map.



                  You can do this a few ways:




                  1. Have physical healing locations on the map, but cap the health they restore. Many games (like Metroid) have healing rooms, but they provide unlimited health, encouraging the player to backtrack when in danger. Instead, make them limited use.



                    For example, in Moonlighter, each floor of the dungeon has a healing pond that restores a set amount of HP. Once this limit is hit, the pond is "used up" and no longer heals. The cap is also relatively low (a little less than the player's max HP)



                    The pond on each floor has to be found in the first place (encouraging exploration) and when emptied, the player has to risk exploring the next (more difficult) floor if they want additional healing.




                  2. Another option is to limit the number of healing items that exist in the game and hide them. This is often seen in survival horror games (I'm specifically thinking of Resident Evil 4 or the first Dead Space).



                    This creates tension, as healing becomes high risk (health right now may mean less health later). The drawback of this approach is it can make a player avoid risk or combat. Survival horror games address this by making combat unavoidable (which, from an earlier comment, sounds like you are open to).



                    Another strategy you can use is letting the player know that there will be more items in the next area. Tell them that, for example, "Each level has X healing talismans" (can be explicit dialog or a "You found X/X items" on the map screen).



                    This way, they know that healing is limited and in order to heal, they have to explore. Also, if they want to heal more, they have to defeat the boss and move on to the next area.



                  3. Lastly, you could figure out a way to tie health directly into progression, for example, every 1% of the map filled gives the player 1% health. Obviously, this needs more fleshing out (like, what happens after the player explores 100% of the map?), but if you figure out a mechanic where the only way to heal is to move forward, that would alleviate many of your concerns.


                  I hope this helped, good luck with your game!







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                      If cowarding during a boss fight is your major problem with auto-regeneration, make the auto-regeneration non-linear: give it a cap of auto-regeneration, and disable it during boss fight (boss fight only, not normal combat).



                      During normal exploration, make the auto-regeneration fast when your player is in low HP, and it gradually gets slower when HP regenerates (regen_speed = 1/HP). Such a system will make your player keep their HP not to low (hence the purpose of healing), but also not too high (higher HP, lower regen_speed).



                      If the player is patient enough, or if your dynamic-healing-system is not set correctly, waiting can still be an option. To prevent this, set a max cap for auto-regeneration. For example, auto-regeneration speed is 0/second over 50% HP. You can still heal with potion, health stealing, spells etc. to go beyond 50% HP, but not auto-regeneration.



                      Lastly, give the boss an aura that disable the auto-regeneration. If it's frustrating for players to start the boss fight with low HP, then give the boss an aura that "heals you to full health, but disable the auto-regeneration", or even with "heals you to full health, disable auto-regen, and revert your HP after the boss fight to pre-boss-fight level".



                      An explanation for the last aura could be: the boss is fighting your player in the "soul realm", and thus



                      • your soul HP is irrelevant with your character HP, and always starts with 100%

                      • unlike physical body, soul don't heal themselves

                      • after the fight, your soul goes back to the character, and hence your (character) HP will be the same level pre-fight





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                        If cowarding during a boss fight is your major problem with auto-regeneration, make the auto-regeneration non-linear: give it a cap of auto-regeneration, and disable it during boss fight (boss fight only, not normal combat).



                        During normal exploration, make the auto-regeneration fast when your player is in low HP, and it gradually gets slower when HP regenerates (regen_speed = 1/HP). Such a system will make your player keep their HP not to low (hence the purpose of healing), but also not too high (higher HP, lower regen_speed).



                        If the player is patient enough, or if your dynamic-healing-system is not set correctly, waiting can still be an option. To prevent this, set a max cap for auto-regeneration. For example, auto-regeneration speed is 0/second over 50% HP. You can still heal with potion, health stealing, spells etc. to go beyond 50% HP, but not auto-regeneration.



                        Lastly, give the boss an aura that disable the auto-regeneration. If it's frustrating for players to start the boss fight with low HP, then give the boss an aura that "heals you to full health, but disable the auto-regeneration", or even with "heals you to full health, disable auto-regen, and revert your HP after the boss fight to pre-boss-fight level".



                        An explanation for the last aura could be: the boss is fighting your player in the "soul realm", and thus



                        • your soul HP is irrelevant with your character HP, and always starts with 100%

                        • unlike physical body, soul don't heal themselves

                        • after the fight, your soul goes back to the character, and hence your (character) HP will be the same level pre-fight





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                          $begingroup$

                          If cowarding during a boss fight is your major problem with auto-regeneration, make the auto-regeneration non-linear: give it a cap of auto-regeneration, and disable it during boss fight (boss fight only, not normal combat).



                          During normal exploration, make the auto-regeneration fast when your player is in low HP, and it gradually gets slower when HP regenerates (regen_speed = 1/HP). Such a system will make your player keep their HP not to low (hence the purpose of healing), but also not too high (higher HP, lower regen_speed).



                          If the player is patient enough, or if your dynamic-healing-system is not set correctly, waiting can still be an option. To prevent this, set a max cap for auto-regeneration. For example, auto-regeneration speed is 0/second over 50% HP. You can still heal with potion, health stealing, spells etc. to go beyond 50% HP, but not auto-regeneration.



                          Lastly, give the boss an aura that disable the auto-regeneration. If it's frustrating for players to start the boss fight with low HP, then give the boss an aura that "heals you to full health, but disable the auto-regeneration", or even with "heals you to full health, disable auto-regen, and revert your HP after the boss fight to pre-boss-fight level".



                          An explanation for the last aura could be: the boss is fighting your player in the "soul realm", and thus



                          • your soul HP is irrelevant with your character HP, and always starts with 100%

                          • unlike physical body, soul don't heal themselves

                          • after the fight, your soul goes back to the character, and hence your (character) HP will be the same level pre-fight





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                          If cowarding during a boss fight is your major problem with auto-regeneration, make the auto-regeneration non-linear: give it a cap of auto-regeneration, and disable it during boss fight (boss fight only, not normal combat).



                          During normal exploration, make the auto-regeneration fast when your player is in low HP, and it gradually gets slower when HP regenerates (regen_speed = 1/HP). Such a system will make your player keep their HP not to low (hence the purpose of healing), but also not too high (higher HP, lower regen_speed).



                          If the player is patient enough, or if your dynamic-healing-system is not set correctly, waiting can still be an option. To prevent this, set a max cap for auto-regeneration. For example, auto-regeneration speed is 0/second over 50% HP. You can still heal with potion, health stealing, spells etc. to go beyond 50% HP, but not auto-regeneration.



                          Lastly, give the boss an aura that disable the auto-regeneration. If it's frustrating for players to start the boss fight with low HP, then give the boss an aura that "heals you to full health, but disable the auto-regeneration", or even with "heals you to full health, disable auto-regen, and revert your HP after the boss fight to pre-boss-fight level".



                          An explanation for the last aura could be: the boss is fighting your player in the "soul realm", and thus



                          • your soul HP is irrelevant with your character HP, and always starts with 100%

                          • unlike physical body, soul don't heal themselves

                          • after the fight, your soul goes back to the character, and hence your (character) HP will be the same level pre-fight






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                              Doom (2016) actually has a great example of rewarding interesting gameplay with healing through its glory kill system. By rewarding the player with health for getting close to finish off demons, it was able to create a gritty fast-paced in-your-face adrenaline shooter in stark contrast to the cover-based shooters that dominate the market. You could do this same sort of thing, but rewarding the kind of gameplay relevant to your game



                              If your goal is to drive exploration and platforming, work with that. Create healing triggers based on that. Maybe every time you enter a room you've never been in before, recover something like 25% of your health (or 100% when entering a boss room). Perhaps even have healing for killing an enemy for the first time. You could also put a few frames of invincibility at the beginning of jumps and add a small amount of healing if you get hit within this window (perfect dodge healing).






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                                I'll keep all of this in mind. I've seen some gameplay of Doom 2016, and it never occurred to me that the health is managed expertly in that game.
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                              Doom (2016) actually has a great example of rewarding interesting gameplay with healing through its glory kill system. By rewarding the player with health for getting close to finish off demons, it was able to create a gritty fast-paced in-your-face adrenaline shooter in stark contrast to the cover-based shooters that dominate the market. You could do this same sort of thing, but rewarding the kind of gameplay relevant to your game



                              If your goal is to drive exploration and platforming, work with that. Create healing triggers based on that. Maybe every time you enter a room you've never been in before, recover something like 25% of your health (or 100% when entering a boss room). Perhaps even have healing for killing an enemy for the first time. You could also put a few frames of invincibility at the beginning of jumps and add a small amount of healing if you get hit within this window (perfect dodge healing).






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                              Doom (2016) actually has a great example of rewarding interesting gameplay with healing through its glory kill system. By rewarding the player with health for getting close to finish off demons, it was able to create a gritty fast-paced in-your-face adrenaline shooter in stark contrast to the cover-based shooters that dominate the market. You could do this same sort of thing, but rewarding the kind of gameplay relevant to your game



                              If your goal is to drive exploration and platforming, work with that. Create healing triggers based on that. Maybe every time you enter a room you've never been in before, recover something like 25% of your health (or 100% when entering a boss room). Perhaps even have healing for killing an enemy for the first time. You could also put a few frames of invincibility at the beginning of jumps and add a small amount of healing if you get hit within this window (perfect dodge healing).






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                              If your goal is to drive exploration and platforming, work with that. Create healing triggers based on that. Maybe every time you enter a room you've never been in before, recover something like 25% of your health (or 100% when entering a boss room). Perhaps even have healing for killing an enemy for the first time. You could also put a few frames of invincibility at the beginning of jumps and add a small amount of healing if you get hit within this window (perfect dodge healing).







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                                I'll keep all of this in mind. I've seen some gameplay of Doom 2016, and it never occurred to me that the health is managed expertly in that game.
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                                I'll keep all of this in mind. I've seen some gameplay of Doom 2016, and it never occurred to me that the health is managed expertly in that game.
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                              I'll keep all of this in mind. I've seen some gameplay of Doom 2016, and it never occurred to me that the health is managed expertly in that game.
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                              Missed the timeframe by the looks of it, but will still complete my answer:



                              Associate self-healing in-combat mainly with the player performing combos. It could be combos that the players are taught or that they are subtly hinted at, through messages of general explanation or by suggesting the combo for a particular situation.



                              Considering the fact that you want to find a way for gaining health and mana, performing combos could cost mana, but heal you and in order to gain mana the player has to be accurate with their combos. This would also provide a relatively sustainable approach for a player that seems to be always 'in combat', since everything they would need to succeed is all about their skill.



                              You can always tweak the numbers by:

                              - making harder combos heal for more

                              - having higher accuracy on landing combos gives you more mana

                              - adding synergy between weapons and health/mana (such that if you have a weapon that has Combo Power +10 would give 10% more healing and more mana from combos, or Healing Power +10 only 10% more healing.

                              - since I saw classes mentioned, you could also have class synergies where, I don't know a Druid gains more Healh innately but has weaker damage to compensate, or a Mage gets more mana out of combos, Archer would have more accuracy on combos, and so on... (Just examples, I know it might be far from your game world.)



                              This would allow to have levels of difficulty and would mean that, at times, players (and/or their classes) would need some item/strategy in approaching an enemy. It would also require that players get a grasp of the synergies and the advantages and disadvantages of items/classes/combos. You also get to have a more developed world if you wish :)






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                                Missed the timeframe by the looks of it, but will still complete my answer:



                                Associate self-healing in-combat mainly with the player performing combos. It could be combos that the players are taught or that they are subtly hinted at, through messages of general explanation or by suggesting the combo for a particular situation.



                                Considering the fact that you want to find a way for gaining health and mana, performing combos could cost mana, but heal you and in order to gain mana the player has to be accurate with their combos. This would also provide a relatively sustainable approach for a player that seems to be always 'in combat', since everything they would need to succeed is all about their skill.



                                You can always tweak the numbers by:

                                - making harder combos heal for more

                                - having higher accuracy on landing combos gives you more mana

                                - adding synergy between weapons and health/mana (such that if you have a weapon that has Combo Power +10 would give 10% more healing and more mana from combos, or Healing Power +10 only 10% more healing.

                                - since I saw classes mentioned, you could also have class synergies where, I don't know a Druid gains more Healh innately but has weaker damage to compensate, or a Mage gets more mana out of combos, Archer would have more accuracy on combos, and so on... (Just examples, I know it might be far from your game world.)



                                This would allow to have levels of difficulty and would mean that, at times, players (and/or their classes) would need some item/strategy in approaching an enemy. It would also require that players get a grasp of the synergies and the advantages and disadvantages of items/classes/combos. You also get to have a more developed world if you wish :)






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                                  Missed the timeframe by the looks of it, but will still complete my answer:



                                  Associate self-healing in-combat mainly with the player performing combos. It could be combos that the players are taught or that they are subtly hinted at, through messages of general explanation or by suggesting the combo for a particular situation.



                                  Considering the fact that you want to find a way for gaining health and mana, performing combos could cost mana, but heal you and in order to gain mana the player has to be accurate with their combos. This would also provide a relatively sustainable approach for a player that seems to be always 'in combat', since everything they would need to succeed is all about their skill.



                                  You can always tweak the numbers by:

                                  - making harder combos heal for more

                                  - having higher accuracy on landing combos gives you more mana

                                  - adding synergy between weapons and health/mana (such that if you have a weapon that has Combo Power +10 would give 10% more healing and more mana from combos, or Healing Power +10 only 10% more healing.

                                  - since I saw classes mentioned, you could also have class synergies where, I don't know a Druid gains more Healh innately but has weaker damage to compensate, or a Mage gets more mana out of combos, Archer would have more accuracy on combos, and so on... (Just examples, I know it might be far from your game world.)



                                  This would allow to have levels of difficulty and would mean that, at times, players (and/or their classes) would need some item/strategy in approaching an enemy. It would also require that players get a grasp of the synergies and the advantages and disadvantages of items/classes/combos. You also get to have a more developed world if you wish :)






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                                  Missed the timeframe by the looks of it, but will still complete my answer:



                                  Associate self-healing in-combat mainly with the player performing combos. It could be combos that the players are taught or that they are subtly hinted at, through messages of general explanation or by suggesting the combo for a particular situation.



                                  Considering the fact that you want to find a way for gaining health and mana, performing combos could cost mana, but heal you and in order to gain mana the player has to be accurate with their combos. This would also provide a relatively sustainable approach for a player that seems to be always 'in combat', since everything they would need to succeed is all about their skill.



                                  You can always tweak the numbers by:

                                  - making harder combos heal for more

                                  - having higher accuracy on landing combos gives you more mana

                                  - adding synergy between weapons and health/mana (such that if you have a weapon that has Combo Power +10 would give 10% more healing and more mana from combos, or Healing Power +10 only 10% more healing.

                                  - since I saw classes mentioned, you could also have class synergies where, I don't know a Druid gains more Healh innately but has weaker damage to compensate, or a Mage gets more mana out of combos, Archer would have more accuracy on combos, and so on... (Just examples, I know it might be far from your game world.)



                                  This would allow to have levels of difficulty and would mean that, at times, players (and/or their classes) would need some item/strategy in approaching an enemy. It would also require that players get a grasp of the synergies and the advantages and disadvantages of items/classes/combos. You also get to have a more developed world if you wish :)







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                                      There's been an isometric (like Fallout 1&2) 'Fallout 76'-like fan made free game available for the last eight years, called Fonline (F-Online; Fallout Online). All you need are the copyrighted data files from F2.



                                      It has a more or less open world, where in instanced encounters you can usually find the two things you need to craft healing powder : a broc flower and a xander root. Maximum carry weight and the time it would take to make too many, prevents abuse and getting stuck because something is too hard.



                                      The flowers and roots aren't hard to find like in Fallout3, you just grind as many as you need until that gets boring and you think you can handle it. All the while, real people and NPCs can come kill you and take all your stuff, but at least you get a little XP for crafting things.



                                      Healing level interest: 9/10.



                                      Agency: 11/10. Because there are several ways to heal yourself; the better ones come at the cost of sacrificing points into non-combat skills such as First Aid, or the ability to craft stimpaks (which require points in Science, a blueprint, and having paid to learn the Chemist profession).



                                      Healing Powder is pretty much useless in combat for even mid-level characters; it's what you use afterwards because they're free.




                                      For a 2D platformer, you need to make (procedurally generated?) places where they can grind what they need if they have to. Otherwise you just die or run back to the save spot like in Castlevania SotN.



                                      If I died because I ran out of powders, that's my fault.... Agency.






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                                        If you've never Fonlined, try Reloaded (they can't take your stuff). If you want the real deal, try Fonline2. If you speak Russian or Polish, try Requiem (English is available too though).
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                                        You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
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                                        @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
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                                        I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
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                                        @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
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                                      $begingroup$

                                      There's been an isometric (like Fallout 1&2) 'Fallout 76'-like fan made free game available for the last eight years, called Fonline (F-Online; Fallout Online). All you need are the copyrighted data files from F2.



                                      It has a more or less open world, where in instanced encounters you can usually find the two things you need to craft healing powder : a broc flower and a xander root. Maximum carry weight and the time it would take to make too many, prevents abuse and getting stuck because something is too hard.



                                      The flowers and roots aren't hard to find like in Fallout3, you just grind as many as you need until that gets boring and you think you can handle it. All the while, real people and NPCs can come kill you and take all your stuff, but at least you get a little XP for crafting things.



                                      Healing level interest: 9/10.



                                      Agency: 11/10. Because there are several ways to heal yourself; the better ones come at the cost of sacrificing points into non-combat skills such as First Aid, or the ability to craft stimpaks (which require points in Science, a blueprint, and having paid to learn the Chemist profession).



                                      Healing Powder is pretty much useless in combat for even mid-level characters; it's what you use afterwards because they're free.




                                      For a 2D platformer, you need to make (procedurally generated?) places where they can grind what they need if they have to. Otherwise you just die or run back to the save spot like in Castlevania SotN.



                                      If I died because I ran out of powders, that's my fault.... Agency.






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                                        If you've never Fonlined, try Reloaded (they can't take your stuff). If you want the real deal, try Fonline2. If you speak Russian or Polish, try Requiem (English is available too though).
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                                        You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
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                                        @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
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                                        I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
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                                        – Vakore
                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
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                                        2 days ago













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                                      There's been an isometric (like Fallout 1&2) 'Fallout 76'-like fan made free game available for the last eight years, called Fonline (F-Online; Fallout Online). All you need are the copyrighted data files from F2.



                                      It has a more or less open world, where in instanced encounters you can usually find the two things you need to craft healing powder : a broc flower and a xander root. Maximum carry weight and the time it would take to make too many, prevents abuse and getting stuck because something is too hard.



                                      The flowers and roots aren't hard to find like in Fallout3, you just grind as many as you need until that gets boring and you think you can handle it. All the while, real people and NPCs can come kill you and take all your stuff, but at least you get a little XP for crafting things.



                                      Healing level interest: 9/10.



                                      Agency: 11/10. Because there are several ways to heal yourself; the better ones come at the cost of sacrificing points into non-combat skills such as First Aid, or the ability to craft stimpaks (which require points in Science, a blueprint, and having paid to learn the Chemist profession).



                                      Healing Powder is pretty much useless in combat for even mid-level characters; it's what you use afterwards because they're free.




                                      For a 2D platformer, you need to make (procedurally generated?) places where they can grind what they need if they have to. Otherwise you just die or run back to the save spot like in Castlevania SotN.



                                      If I died because I ran out of powders, that's my fault.... Agency.






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                                      There's been an isometric (like Fallout 1&2) 'Fallout 76'-like fan made free game available for the last eight years, called Fonline (F-Online; Fallout Online). All you need are the copyrighted data files from F2.



                                      It has a more or less open world, where in instanced encounters you can usually find the two things you need to craft healing powder : a broc flower and a xander root. Maximum carry weight and the time it would take to make too many, prevents abuse and getting stuck because something is too hard.



                                      The flowers and roots aren't hard to find like in Fallout3, you just grind as many as you need until that gets boring and you think you can handle it. All the while, real people and NPCs can come kill you and take all your stuff, but at least you get a little XP for crafting things.



                                      Healing level interest: 9/10.



                                      Agency: 11/10. Because there are several ways to heal yourself; the better ones come at the cost of sacrificing points into non-combat skills such as First Aid, or the ability to craft stimpaks (which require points in Science, a blueprint, and having paid to learn the Chemist profession).



                                      Healing Powder is pretty much useless in combat for even mid-level characters; it's what you use afterwards because they're free.




                                      For a 2D platformer, you need to make (procedurally generated?) places where they can grind what they need if they have to. Otherwise you just die or run back to the save spot like in Castlevania SotN.



                                      If I died because I ran out of powders, that's my fault.... Agency.







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                                        You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
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                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Mazura
                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Vakore
                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Mazura
                                        2 days ago
















                                      • $begingroup$
                                        If you've never Fonlined, try Reloaded (they can't take your stuff). If you want the real deal, try Fonline2. If you speak Russian or Polish, try Requiem (English is available too though).
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Mazura
                                        2 days ago











                                      • $begingroup$
                                        You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Vakore
                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Mazura
                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Vakore
                                        2 days ago










                                      • $begingroup$
                                        @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – Mazura
                                        2 days ago















                                      $begingroup$
                                      If you've never Fonlined, try Reloaded (they can't take your stuff). If you want the real deal, try Fonline2. If you speak Russian or Polish, try Requiem (English is available too though).
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Mazura
                                      2 days ago





                                      $begingroup$
                                      If you've never Fonlined, try Reloaded (they can't take your stuff). If you want the real deal, try Fonline2. If you speak Russian or Polish, try Requiem (English is available too though).
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Mazura
                                      2 days ago













                                      $begingroup$
                                      You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Vakore
                                      2 days ago




                                      $begingroup$
                                      You are suggesting that I add in grinding? Because my question deliberately said that grinding is an issue.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Vakore
                                      2 days ago












                                      $begingroup$
                                      @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Mazura
                                      2 days ago




                                      $begingroup$
                                      @Vakore - "grinding when at low health and not near any healing stations" - there's no healing stations (there is however extremely slow regen). You don't grind at low health, you grind to come prepared. It's up to your IRL skill level to determine how much time you have to waste doing that. It's not really grinding (but there's plenty of that to make guns and whatnot); it's more like, grab a few plants on the way out of the encounter to restock, after spending 5 mins building up a few to get going. It's not like it takes five of each to make one; it's one of each.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Mazura
                                      2 days ago












                                      $begingroup$
                                      I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Vakore
                                      2 days ago




                                      $begingroup$
                                      I find that boring and bad game design. Now, if trying to get that stuff is fun in some way, at least getting something to do, then I'm O.K. with it. One example(not a perfect one though), is Minecraft. Now, efficiently finding Diamond is really boring, but running through caves, hoping for good stuff while killing things here and there is somewhat fun. This isn't anywhere near a good example, however I haven't played many games where grinding is fun at all, so this is the only example I could come up with.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Vakore
                                      2 days ago












                                      $begingroup$
                                      @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Mazura
                                      2 days ago




                                      $begingroup$
                                      @Vakore - What makes it fun is that at anytime in an encounter, other people can come kill you and steal everything. Getting the components should be not be benign, but it shouldn't be like a boss fight either. In one iteration of Fonline long ago, if you spent too much time in an encounter, NPCs would start coming, and each wave more difficult. You gotta grab the two plants, gtfo, and get back to work. - It should become dangerous if you take too long. The hair on the back of your neck sticking out is what makes Fonline awesome.
                                      $endgroup$
                                      – Mazura
                                      2 days ago











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                                      Have your character eat or drink to heal. Although they can use it unlimited times, you can limit it behind a long use-time—that is, they are required to stand still for 5+ seconds to heal. Have the item only heal 10%-25% means they have to use it multiple times. This would encourage exploring.



                                      As for bosses. Providing an area to "catch-your-breath" before you start the fight would allow them to heal up before fights. Bosses could have "quick interrupt" abilities that they use when you try to heal, thus preventing you from cowering/hiding, while some bosses would have long animations or routines, thus making healing a possible strategy in those "windows" (or dealing a little extra damage).



                                      Maybe have artifacts or relics that the hero can switch between that provide different healing benefits. Such as passive health regen, consumption healing (food), life-steal, etc. Thus, the player can decide which they prefer to play with.






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                                        Have your character eat or drink to heal. Although they can use it unlimited times, you can limit it behind a long use-time—that is, they are required to stand still for 5+ seconds to heal. Have the item only heal 10%-25% means they have to use it multiple times. This would encourage exploring.



                                        As for bosses. Providing an area to "catch-your-breath" before you start the fight would allow them to heal up before fights. Bosses could have "quick interrupt" abilities that they use when you try to heal, thus preventing you from cowering/hiding, while some bosses would have long animations or routines, thus making healing a possible strategy in those "windows" (or dealing a little extra damage).



                                        Maybe have artifacts or relics that the hero can switch between that provide different healing benefits. Such as passive health regen, consumption healing (food), life-steal, etc. Thus, the player can decide which they prefer to play with.






                                        share|improve this answer











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                                          $begingroup$

                                          Have your character eat or drink to heal. Although they can use it unlimited times, you can limit it behind a long use-time—that is, they are required to stand still for 5+ seconds to heal. Have the item only heal 10%-25% means they have to use it multiple times. This would encourage exploring.



                                          As for bosses. Providing an area to "catch-your-breath" before you start the fight would allow them to heal up before fights. Bosses could have "quick interrupt" abilities that they use when you try to heal, thus preventing you from cowering/hiding, while some bosses would have long animations or routines, thus making healing a possible strategy in those "windows" (or dealing a little extra damage).



                                          Maybe have artifacts or relics that the hero can switch between that provide different healing benefits. Such as passive health regen, consumption healing (food), life-steal, etc. Thus, the player can decide which they prefer to play with.






                                          share|improve this answer











                                          $endgroup$



                                          Have your character eat or drink to heal. Although they can use it unlimited times, you can limit it behind a long use-time—that is, they are required to stand still for 5+ seconds to heal. Have the item only heal 10%-25% means they have to use it multiple times. This would encourage exploring.



                                          As for bosses. Providing an area to "catch-your-breath" before you start the fight would allow them to heal up before fights. Bosses could have "quick interrupt" abilities that they use when you try to heal, thus preventing you from cowering/hiding, while some bosses would have long animations or routines, thus making healing a possible strategy in those "windows" (or dealing a little extra damage).



                                          Maybe have artifacts or relics that the hero can switch between that provide different healing benefits. Such as passive health regen, consumption healing (food), life-steal, etc. Thus, the player can decide which they prefer to play with.







                                          share|improve this answer














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                                              Dual hit point system



                                              Pillar of Eternity has an interesting approach to it, having two types of hit points, which may help you or give some ideas:



                                              Endurance



                                              Whenever a combat starts, this is a character's hit points for the duration of the combat. It quickly regenerates outside of combat. When the character drops to 0, it is incapacitated for the rest of the fight (other characters can still fight, alternatively it could also mean death for single characters). When a character takes damage, it drains both, Endurance and Health. Healing only affects Endurance and is therefore only relevant in combat.



                                              Health



                                              This is the long term hit points characters have. It is a multitude of Endurance, and the given Endurance in a combat can not exceed the remaining Health of a character. When Health drops to 0, a character dies. Resources have to be used/sacrificed to restore this, and it does not regenerate. Also there are interactions with abilities, like restoring Endurance in a fight, but not Health.




                                              Now as an example, you can have a warrior with 20 maximum Endurance and 100 maximum Health. You go around, fight enemies, lose Health from combat to combat. The benefit is this: The character has something long-term to handle while progressing through the game, which can be more slow and difficult to maintain - but the immediate combat hit points are not drastically low or high in order to balance it.




                                              Possible variations:



                                              • Endurance scales with the relative amount of current Health. Meaning as Health drops from fight to fight, the character becomes weaker as well in combat, either by starting with less Endurance or suffering less power.

                                              • Similar to Overwatch, an additional layer of hit points could be added, like Armor. Meaning you can allow your character to take some damage in each combat without draining Health.

                                              • Another version is Endurance which regenerates in a moderate pace in combat, where Health does not. Effectively it would mean the player must take care not to take too much damage in a too short time-span, but also consider that he won't regenerate hit points forever.

                                              • Another honorable mention is World of Warships, where only a part of damage taken can be repaired - be it the last 'n' amount of damage or n% of total damage taken. In essence this is also a dual hit point system. Variance can be had in damage types, meaning some may be better at preventing repair at the cost of other factors.





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                                                $begingroup$

                                                Dual hit point system



                                                Pillar of Eternity has an interesting approach to it, having two types of hit points, which may help you or give some ideas:



                                                Endurance



                                                Whenever a combat starts, this is a character's hit points for the duration of the combat. It quickly regenerates outside of combat. When the character drops to 0, it is incapacitated for the rest of the fight (other characters can still fight, alternatively it could also mean death for single characters). When a character takes damage, it drains both, Endurance and Health. Healing only affects Endurance and is therefore only relevant in combat.



                                                Health



                                                This is the long term hit points characters have. It is a multitude of Endurance, and the given Endurance in a combat can not exceed the remaining Health of a character. When Health drops to 0, a character dies. Resources have to be used/sacrificed to restore this, and it does not regenerate. Also there are interactions with abilities, like restoring Endurance in a fight, but not Health.




                                                Now as an example, you can have a warrior with 20 maximum Endurance and 100 maximum Health. You go around, fight enemies, lose Health from combat to combat. The benefit is this: The character has something long-term to handle while progressing through the game, which can be more slow and difficult to maintain - but the immediate combat hit points are not drastically low or high in order to balance it.




                                                Possible variations:



                                                • Endurance scales with the relative amount of current Health. Meaning as Health drops from fight to fight, the character becomes weaker as well in combat, either by starting with less Endurance or suffering less power.

                                                • Similar to Overwatch, an additional layer of hit points could be added, like Armor. Meaning you can allow your character to take some damage in each combat without draining Health.

                                                • Another version is Endurance which regenerates in a moderate pace in combat, where Health does not. Effectively it would mean the player must take care not to take too much damage in a too short time-span, but also consider that he won't regenerate hit points forever.

                                                • Another honorable mention is World of Warships, where only a part of damage taken can be repaired - be it the last 'n' amount of damage or n% of total damage taken. In essence this is also a dual hit point system. Variance can be had in damage types, meaning some may be better at preventing repair at the cost of other factors.





                                                share|improve this answer









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                                                  2





                                                  $begingroup$

                                                  Dual hit point system



                                                  Pillar of Eternity has an interesting approach to it, having two types of hit points, which may help you or give some ideas:



                                                  Endurance



                                                  Whenever a combat starts, this is a character's hit points for the duration of the combat. It quickly regenerates outside of combat. When the character drops to 0, it is incapacitated for the rest of the fight (other characters can still fight, alternatively it could also mean death for single characters). When a character takes damage, it drains both, Endurance and Health. Healing only affects Endurance and is therefore only relevant in combat.



                                                  Health



                                                  This is the long term hit points characters have. It is a multitude of Endurance, and the given Endurance in a combat can not exceed the remaining Health of a character. When Health drops to 0, a character dies. Resources have to be used/sacrificed to restore this, and it does not regenerate. Also there are interactions with abilities, like restoring Endurance in a fight, but not Health.




                                                  Now as an example, you can have a warrior with 20 maximum Endurance and 100 maximum Health. You go around, fight enemies, lose Health from combat to combat. The benefit is this: The character has something long-term to handle while progressing through the game, which can be more slow and difficult to maintain - but the immediate combat hit points are not drastically low or high in order to balance it.




                                                  Possible variations:



                                                  • Endurance scales with the relative amount of current Health. Meaning as Health drops from fight to fight, the character becomes weaker as well in combat, either by starting with less Endurance or suffering less power.

                                                  • Similar to Overwatch, an additional layer of hit points could be added, like Armor. Meaning you can allow your character to take some damage in each combat without draining Health.

                                                  • Another version is Endurance which regenerates in a moderate pace in combat, where Health does not. Effectively it would mean the player must take care not to take too much damage in a too short time-span, but also consider that he won't regenerate hit points forever.

                                                  • Another honorable mention is World of Warships, where only a part of damage taken can be repaired - be it the last 'n' amount of damage or n% of total damage taken. In essence this is also a dual hit point system. Variance can be had in damage types, meaning some may be better at preventing repair at the cost of other factors.





                                                  share|improve this answer









                                                  $endgroup$



                                                  Dual hit point system



                                                  Pillar of Eternity has an interesting approach to it, having two types of hit points, which may help you or give some ideas:



                                                  Endurance



                                                  Whenever a combat starts, this is a character's hit points for the duration of the combat. It quickly regenerates outside of combat. When the character drops to 0, it is incapacitated for the rest of the fight (other characters can still fight, alternatively it could also mean death for single characters). When a character takes damage, it drains both, Endurance and Health. Healing only affects Endurance and is therefore only relevant in combat.



                                                  Health



                                                  This is the long term hit points characters have. It is a multitude of Endurance, and the given Endurance in a combat can not exceed the remaining Health of a character. When Health drops to 0, a character dies. Resources have to be used/sacrificed to restore this, and it does not regenerate. Also there are interactions with abilities, like restoring Endurance in a fight, but not Health.




                                                  Now as an example, you can have a warrior with 20 maximum Endurance and 100 maximum Health. You go around, fight enemies, lose Health from combat to combat. The benefit is this: The character has something long-term to handle while progressing through the game, which can be more slow and difficult to maintain - but the immediate combat hit points are not drastically low or high in order to balance it.




                                                  Possible variations:



                                                  • Endurance scales with the relative amount of current Health. Meaning as Health drops from fight to fight, the character becomes weaker as well in combat, either by starting with less Endurance or suffering less power.

                                                  • Similar to Overwatch, an additional layer of hit points could be added, like Armor. Meaning you can allow your character to take some damage in each combat without draining Health.

                                                  • Another version is Endurance which regenerates in a moderate pace in combat, where Health does not. Effectively it would mean the player must take care not to take too much damage in a too short time-span, but also consider that he won't regenerate hit points forever.

                                                  • Another honorable mention is World of Warships, where only a part of damage taken can be repaired - be it the last 'n' amount of damage or n% of total damage taken. In essence this is also a dual hit point system. Variance can be had in damage types, meaning some may be better at preventing repair at the cost of other factors.






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                                                      Another idea:



                                                      You generate mana through movement.
                                                      You can spend mana (via a button) to heal.
                                                      However, while healing, you move at a slower pace (risk enemies catching up) and cannot jump (limited mobility).






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                                                        Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Vakore
                                                        2 days ago










                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Mazura
                                                        2 days ago















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                                                      $begingroup$

                                                      Another idea:



                                                      You generate mana through movement.
                                                      You can spend mana (via a button) to heal.
                                                      However, while healing, you move at a slower pace (risk enemies catching up) and cannot jump (limited mobility).






                                                      share|improve this answer








                                                      New contributor




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                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Vakore
                                                        2 days ago










                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Mazura
                                                        2 days ago













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                                                      $begingroup$

                                                      Another idea:



                                                      You generate mana through movement.
                                                      You can spend mana (via a button) to heal.
                                                      However, while healing, you move at a slower pace (risk enemies catching up) and cannot jump (limited mobility).






                                                      share|improve this answer








                                                      New contributor




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                                                      $endgroup$



                                                      Another idea:



                                                      You generate mana through movement.
                                                      You can spend mana (via a button) to heal.
                                                      However, while healing, you move at a slower pace (risk enemies catching up) and cannot jump (limited mobility).







                                                      share|improve this answer








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                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Vakore
                                                        2 days ago










                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Mazura
                                                        2 days ago
















                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Vakore
                                                        2 days ago










                                                      • $begingroup$
                                                        Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
                                                        $endgroup$
                                                        – Mazura
                                                        2 days ago















                                                      $begingroup$
                                                      Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
                                                      $endgroup$
                                                      – Vakore
                                                      2 days ago




                                                      $begingroup$
                                                      Generating mana through movement creates the problem of cowarding, which I want to avoid.
                                                      $endgroup$
                                                      – Vakore
                                                      2 days ago












                                                      $begingroup$
                                                      Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
                                                      $endgroup$
                                                      – Mazura
                                                      2 days ago




                                                      $begingroup$
                                                      Like FF12, where you spend half your time running in wide circles so everybody can get their mana back? No thanks.
                                                      $endgroup$
                                                      – Mazura
                                                      2 days ago











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                                                      Pretty much along the lines of the answer @CertainlyNot provided:



                                                      Have you ever played Quest64? You regain magic points by moving around in the world, and striking enemies with melee attacks. You obtain limited amounts of healing items, and a majority of the healing in the later parts of the game in between (or during) fights will come from healing spells. Due to the random encounter system in the game, there's an interesting risk-reward to saving mana for fights, or spending it as you gain it to heal up. Perhaps something like this is what you're looking for.






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                                                        Pretty much along the lines of the answer @CertainlyNot provided:



                                                        Have you ever played Quest64? You regain magic points by moving around in the world, and striking enemies with melee attacks. You obtain limited amounts of healing items, and a majority of the healing in the later parts of the game in between (or during) fights will come from healing spells. Due to the random encounter system in the game, there's an interesting risk-reward to saving mana for fights, or spending it as you gain it to heal up. Perhaps something like this is what you're looking for.






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                                                          Pretty much along the lines of the answer @CertainlyNot provided:



                                                          Have you ever played Quest64? You regain magic points by moving around in the world, and striking enemies with melee attacks. You obtain limited amounts of healing items, and a majority of the healing in the later parts of the game in between (or during) fights will come from healing spells. Due to the random encounter system in the game, there's an interesting risk-reward to saving mana for fights, or spending it as you gain it to heal up. Perhaps something like this is what you're looking for.






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                                                          Pretty much along the lines of the answer @CertainlyNot provided:



                                                          Have you ever played Quest64? You regain magic points by moving around in the world, and striking enemies with melee attacks. You obtain limited amounts of healing items, and a majority of the healing in the later parts of the game in between (or during) fights will come from healing spells. Due to the random encounter system in the game, there's an interesting risk-reward to saving mana for fights, or spending it as you gain it to heal up. Perhaps something like this is what you're looking for.







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