Term for checking piece whose opponent daren't capture it
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What if any, is the term for a piece whose owner gets a draw by keeping up a relentless series of checks with it -- a paradox being that even if this player puts it en prise, the opponent daren't capture it because that would deliver stalemate?
The piece is in many cases a rook, and I have come across the terms "rambling rook" and "roving rook", but they seem to mean something else.
I've also come across the term "desperado", and that seems to mean something similar, but it is not the same. A desperado is a piece which might do some damage, e.g. delaying-checks, but they merely delay mate: those checks run out, and the other side captures the desperado without stalemating, and goes on to win.
The tactic is an unusual form of perpetual check. In most perpetual checks, the checking piece switches back between two squares on neither of which is it en prise.
terminology stalemate perpetual
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What if any, is the term for a piece whose owner gets a draw by keeping up a relentless series of checks with it -- a paradox being that even if this player puts it en prise, the opponent daren't capture it because that would deliver stalemate?
The piece is in many cases a rook, and I have come across the terms "rambling rook" and "roving rook", but they seem to mean something else.
I've also come across the term "desperado", and that seems to mean something similar, but it is not the same. A desperado is a piece which might do some damage, e.g. delaying-checks, but they merely delay mate: those checks run out, and the other side captures the desperado without stalemating, and goes on to win.
The tactic is an unusual form of perpetual check. In most perpetual checks, the checking piece switches back between two squares on neither of which is it en prise.
terminology stalemate perpetual
asked May 28 at 5:12
Rosie FRosie F
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Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual uses the term "desparado" for such a piece.
– Qudit
May 28 at 5:22
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Desperado has two meanings connected by the idea that in its death the piece causes some damage to the enemy. One usage is the above, but the other is not really as stated in the question. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_(chess)
– Ian Bush
May 28 at 7:14
@IanBush Ah -- "desperado" is not as specific as I'd thought, given where I'd seen it used.
– Rosie F
May 28 at 9:03
sometimes in some languages it is called 'MAD' piece, usually 'MAD ROOK'
– Drako
May 28 at 14:28
@Ian Bush Desperado could also mean a piece that is inevitably going to be captured, so you use it to cause as much destruction as possible before this happens.
– Inertial Ignorance
May 30 at 1:21
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What if any, is the term for a piece whose owner gets a draw by keeping up a relentless series of checks with it -- a paradox being that even if this player puts it en prise, the opponent daren't capture it because that would deliver stalemate?
The piece is in many cases a rook, and I have come across the terms "rambling rook" and "roving rook", but they seem to mean something else.
I've also come across the term "desperado", and that seems to mean something similar, but it is not the same. A desperado is a piece which might do some damage, e.g. delaying-checks, but they merely delay mate: those checks run out, and the other side captures the desperado without stalemating, and goes on to win.
The tactic is an unusual form of perpetual check. In most perpetual checks, the checking piece switches back between two squares on neither of which is it en prise.
terminology stalemate perpetual
asked May 28 at 5:12
Rosie FRosie F
2,45610 silver badges21 bronze badges
What if any, is the term for a piece whose owner gets a draw by keeping up a relentless series of checks with it -- a paradox being that even if this player puts it en prise, the opponent daren't capture it because that would deliver stalemate?
The piece is in many cases a rook, and I have come across the terms "rambling rook" and "roving rook", but they seem to mean something else.
I've also come across the term "desperado", and that seems to mean something similar, but it is not the same. A desperado is a piece which might do some damage, e.g. delaying-checks, but they merely delay mate: those checks run out, and the other side captures the desperado without stalemating, and goes on to win.
The tactic is an unusual form of perpetual check. In most perpetual checks, the checking piece switches back between two squares on neither of which is it en prise.
terminology stalemate perpetual
terminology stalemate perpetual
asked May 28 at 5:12
Rosie FRosie F
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Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual uses the term "desparado" for such a piece.
– Qudit
May 28 at 5:22
3
Desperado has two meanings connected by the idea that in its death the piece causes some damage to the enemy. One usage is the above, but the other is not really as stated in the question. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_(chess)
– Ian Bush
May 28 at 7:14
@IanBush Ah -- "desperado" is not as specific as I'd thought, given where I'd seen it used.
– Rosie F
May 28 at 9:03
sometimes in some languages it is called 'MAD' piece, usually 'MAD ROOK'
– Drako
May 28 at 14:28
@Ian Bush Desperado could also mean a piece that is inevitably going to be captured, so you use it to cause as much destruction as possible before this happens.
– Inertial Ignorance
May 30 at 1:21
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Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual uses the term "desparado" for such a piece.
– Qudit
May 28 at 5:22
3
Desperado has two meanings connected by the idea that in its death the piece causes some damage to the enemy. One usage is the above, but the other is not really as stated in the question. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_(chess)
– Ian Bush
May 28 at 7:14
@IanBush Ah -- "desperado" is not as specific as I'd thought, given where I'd seen it used.
– Rosie F
May 28 at 9:03
sometimes in some languages it is called 'MAD' piece, usually 'MAD ROOK'
– Drako
May 28 at 14:28
@Ian Bush Desperado could also mean a piece that is inevitably going to be captured, so you use it to cause as much destruction as possible before this happens.
– Inertial Ignorance
May 30 at 1:21
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Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual uses the term "desparado" for such a piece.
– Qudit
May 28 at 5:22
Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual uses the term "desparado" for such a piece.
– Qudit
May 28 at 5:22
3
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Desperado has two meanings connected by the idea that in its death the piece causes some damage to the enemy. One usage is the above, but the other is not really as stated in the question. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_(chess)
– Ian Bush
May 28 at 7:14
Desperado has two meanings connected by the idea that in its death the piece causes some damage to the enemy. One usage is the above, but the other is not really as stated in the question. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_(chess)
– Ian Bush
May 28 at 7:14
@IanBush Ah -- "desperado" is not as specific as I'd thought, given where I'd seen it used.
– Rosie F
May 28 at 9:03
@IanBush Ah -- "desperado" is not as specific as I'd thought, given where I'd seen it used.
– Rosie F
May 28 at 9:03
sometimes in some languages it is called 'MAD' piece, usually 'MAD ROOK'
– Drako
May 28 at 14:28
sometimes in some languages it is called 'MAD' piece, usually 'MAD ROOK'
– Drako
May 28 at 14:28
@Ian Bush Desperado could also mean a piece that is inevitably going to be captured, so you use it to cause as much destruction as possible before this happens.
– Inertial Ignorance
May 30 at 1:21
@Ian Bush Desperado could also mean a piece that is inevitably going to be captured, so you use it to cause as much destruction as possible before this happens.
– Inertial Ignorance
May 30 at 1:21
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I'd use the term you already mentioned, "rambling rook", for this (at least when it's a rook). Tim Krabbé claims to have invented it:
If the term 'Rambling Rook' sounds unfamiliar, this could be because I invented it. In Russian it is beshenaya ladya, in Dutch dolle toren, both meaning 'crazy rook.' There is no English term, and I thought a little alliteration would be in its place.
Here are a couple of usages, showing that the term is quite widespread:
Rambling Rooks, compiled by SwitchingQuylthulg on chessgames.com
Rambling Rooks
Witness rooks selflessly throw theirselves at the opponent's mercy again and again... until there is no choice but to take them and accept draw by stalemate.
Can you stop the rambling rook? by user Sleafar on our sister site Puzzling Stack Exchange:
The rook can't be taken, because black couldn't move anymore which is a stalemate (= draw). If the king moves away the rook will continue to give checks.
Can you stop the rambling rook and find a way for white to win the game anyway?
answered May 28 at 12:44
Glorfindel♦Glorfindel
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Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
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Well, that's only possible with a rook or a queen (at least, in most realistic situations) and indeed it's a typical theme in rook endgames.
In Spanish, we have a name for that: torre loca (meaning "crazy rook") I think "crazy rook" is also used in English, but I don't find so many links, so maybe there are other names for it or those I can find are a translation error
answered May 28 at 6:42
DavidDavid
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In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
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Sometimes I hear it referred to as a "poison piece," because it kills you if you take (consume?) it.
answered May 28 at 13:35
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Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
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I'd use the term you already mentioned, "rambling rook", for this (at least when it's a rook). Tim Krabbé claims to have invented it:
If the term 'Rambling Rook' sounds unfamiliar, this could be because I invented it. In Russian it is beshenaya ladya, in Dutch dolle toren, both meaning 'crazy rook.' There is no English term, and I thought a little alliteration would be in its place.
Here are a couple of usages, showing that the term is quite widespread:
Rambling Rooks, compiled by SwitchingQuylthulg on chessgames.com
Rambling Rooks
Witness rooks selflessly throw theirselves at the opponent's mercy again and again... until there is no choice but to take them and accept draw by stalemate.
Can you stop the rambling rook? by user Sleafar on our sister site Puzzling Stack Exchange:
The rook can't be taken, because black couldn't move anymore which is a stalemate (= draw). If the king moves away the rook will continue to give checks.
Can you stop the rambling rook and find a way for white to win the game anyway?
answered May 28 at 12:44
Glorfindel♦Glorfindel
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Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
add a comment
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I'd use the term you already mentioned, "rambling rook", for this (at least when it's a rook). Tim Krabbé claims to have invented it:
If the term 'Rambling Rook' sounds unfamiliar, this could be because I invented it. In Russian it is beshenaya ladya, in Dutch dolle toren, both meaning 'crazy rook.' There is no English term, and I thought a little alliteration would be in its place.
Here are a couple of usages, showing that the term is quite widespread:
Rambling Rooks, compiled by SwitchingQuylthulg on chessgames.com
Rambling Rooks
Witness rooks selflessly throw theirselves at the opponent's mercy again and again... until there is no choice but to take them and accept draw by stalemate.
Can you stop the rambling rook? by user Sleafar on our sister site Puzzling Stack Exchange:
The rook can't be taken, because black couldn't move anymore which is a stalemate (= draw). If the king moves away the rook will continue to give checks.
Can you stop the rambling rook and find a way for white to win the game anyway?
answered May 28 at 12:44
Glorfindel♦Glorfindel
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Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
add a comment
|
I'd use the term you already mentioned, "rambling rook", for this (at least when it's a rook). Tim Krabbé claims to have invented it:
If the term 'Rambling Rook' sounds unfamiliar, this could be because I invented it. In Russian it is beshenaya ladya, in Dutch dolle toren, both meaning 'crazy rook.' There is no English term, and I thought a little alliteration would be in its place.
Here are a couple of usages, showing that the term is quite widespread:
Rambling Rooks, compiled by SwitchingQuylthulg on chessgames.com
Rambling Rooks
Witness rooks selflessly throw theirselves at the opponent's mercy again and again... until there is no choice but to take them and accept draw by stalemate.
Can you stop the rambling rook? by user Sleafar on our sister site Puzzling Stack Exchange:
The rook can't be taken, because black couldn't move anymore which is a stalemate (= draw). If the king moves away the rook will continue to give checks.
Can you stop the rambling rook and find a way for white to win the game anyway?
answered May 28 at 12:44
Glorfindel♦Glorfindel
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I'd use the term you already mentioned, "rambling rook", for this (at least when it's a rook). Tim Krabbé claims to have invented it:
If the term 'Rambling Rook' sounds unfamiliar, this could be because I invented it. In Russian it is beshenaya ladya, in Dutch dolle toren, both meaning 'crazy rook.' There is no English term, and I thought a little alliteration would be in its place.
Here are a couple of usages, showing that the term is quite widespread:
Rambling Rooks, compiled by SwitchingQuylthulg on chessgames.com
Rambling Rooks
Witness rooks selflessly throw theirselves at the opponent's mercy again and again... until there is no choice but to take them and accept draw by stalemate.
Can you stop the rambling rook? by user Sleafar on our sister site Puzzling Stack Exchange:
The rook can't be taken, because black couldn't move anymore which is a stalemate (= draw). If the king moves away the rook will continue to give checks.
Can you stop the rambling rook and find a way for white to win the game anyway?
answered May 28 at 12:44
Glorfindel♦Glorfindel
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Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
add a comment
|
2
Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
2
2
Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
Russian "beshenaya" is not exactly "crazy", but rather "possessed". The semantics is formed by "bes", an unclean spirit. Very hard to translate.
– user58697
May 28 at 21:25
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
FWIW I have heard "crazy rook" before.
– Brandon_J
May 29 at 14:34
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Well, that's only possible with a rook or a queen (at least, in most realistic situations) and indeed it's a typical theme in rook endgames.
In Spanish, we have a name for that: torre loca (meaning "crazy rook") I think "crazy rook" is also used in English, but I don't find so many links, so maybe there are other names for it or those I can find are a translation error
answered May 28 at 6:42
DavidDavid
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In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
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Well, that's only possible with a rook or a queen (at least, in most realistic situations) and indeed it's a typical theme in rook endgames.
In Spanish, we have a name for that: torre loca (meaning "crazy rook") I think "crazy rook" is also used in English, but I don't find so many links, so maybe there are other names for it or those I can find are a translation error
answered May 28 at 6:42
DavidDavid
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In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
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Well, that's only possible with a rook or a queen (at least, in most realistic situations) and indeed it's a typical theme in rook endgames.
In Spanish, we have a name for that: torre loca (meaning "crazy rook") I think "crazy rook" is also used in English, but I don't find so many links, so maybe there are other names for it or those I can find are a translation error
answered May 28 at 6:42
DavidDavid
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Well, that's only possible with a rook or a queen (at least, in most realistic situations) and indeed it's a typical theme in rook endgames.
In Spanish, we have a name for that: torre loca (meaning "crazy rook") I think "crazy rook" is also used in English, but I don't find so many links, so maybe there are other names for it or those I can find are a translation error
answered May 28 at 6:42
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In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
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In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
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In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
In french we also use "tour folle" (crazy rook).
– Evargalo
May 28 at 14:33
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Sometimes I hear it referred to as a "poison piece," because it kills you if you take (consume?) it.
answered May 28 at 13:35
MarathonMarathon
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Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
– Glorfindel♦
May 28 at 13:38
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Sometimes I hear it referred to as a "poison piece," because it kills you if you take (consume?) it.
answered May 28 at 13:35
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Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
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May 28 at 13:38
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Sometimes I hear it referred to as a "poison piece," because it kills you if you take (consume?) it.
answered May 28 at 13:35
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Sometimes I hear it referred to as a "poison piece," because it kills you if you take (consume?) it.
answered May 28 at 13:35
MarathonMarathon
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answered May 28 at 13:35
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Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
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Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
– Glorfindel♦
May 28 at 13:38
Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
– Glorfindel♦
May 28 at 13:38
Note that the term poisoned pawn usually has another meaning.
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Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual uses the term "desparado" for such a piece.
– Qudit
May 28 at 5:22
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Desperado has two meanings connected by the idea that in its death the piece causes some damage to the enemy. One usage is the above, but the other is not really as stated in the question. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperado_(chess)
– Ian Bush
May 28 at 7:14
@IanBush Ah -- "desperado" is not as specific as I'd thought, given where I'd seen it used.
– Rosie F
May 28 at 9:03
sometimes in some languages it is called 'MAD' piece, usually 'MAD ROOK'
– Drako
May 28 at 14:28
@Ian Bush Desperado could also mean a piece that is inevitably going to be captured, so you use it to cause as much destruction as possible before this happens.
– Inertial Ignorance
May 30 at 1:21