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How much propellant is used up until liftoff?


Challenger disaster: how full was the external tank at the time of destruction?How does the Space Shuttle's SSME engine's thrust vary after ignition?What rocket uses the largest percentage of Fuel/Oxidizer before liftoff?How much fuel was used for a Space Shuttle launch?SpaceX Falcon 9 Reusable first stage propellant for returnPropellant mass calculationHow does the mass of launchers change over time between ground and orbit?chemical propulsion with separate fuel and propellant?Is HAN-water propellant “green” enough to ever be used in a cubesat?What was the result of the propellant predictions in the last chapter of “Ignition!”?How to transport gigawatt-level power across a 100km distance?How to determine $Delta v$ loss due to gravitational pull from earthHow much fuel is necessary for 2nd stage of Falcon 9 rocket to land?













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Using the same approximate curves (with all their assumptions and limitations) used in the answer to How does the Space Shuttle's SSME engine's thrust vary after ignition?, we can integrate the SSME flowrates to get a startup propellant consumption of:



416 lbm LH2, 2246 lbm LO2 per engine,



and ~ 1248 lbm LH2, 6738 lbm LO2 for all three engines.



Since liftoff was virtually instantaneous after SRB ignition (certainly to the precision of these calculations) we can ignore SRB propellant usage preliftoff.



Using the ET loading numbers from Challenger disaster: how full was the external tank at the time of destruction? (LO2 1,387,457 lbm, LH2 234,265 lbm) we can calculate the % usage of ET propellant prior to liftoff as approximately 0.5% for both propellants.






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    The external tank is loaded with 1,387,457 lb of LOX and 234,265 lb of LH2. So only 0.5 % of LOX and also of LH2 are used before liftoff.
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For the Space Shuttle:



Using the same approximate curves (with all their assumptions and limitations) used in the answer to How does the Space Shuttle's SSME engine's thrust vary after ignition?, we can integrate the SSME flowrates to get a startup propellant consumption of:



416 lbm LH2, 2246 lbm LO2 per engine,



and ~ 1248 lbm LH2, 6738 lbm LO2 for all three engines.



Since liftoff was virtually instantaneous after SRB ignition (certainly to the precision of these calculations) we can ignore SRB propellant usage preliftoff.



Using the ET loading numbers from Challenger disaster: how full was the external tank at the time of destruction? (LO2 1,387,457 lbm, LH2 234,265 lbm) we can calculate the % usage of ET propellant prior to liftoff as approximately 0.5% for both propellants.






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    The external tank is loaded with 1,387,457 lb of LOX and 234,265 lb of LH2. So only 0.5 % of LOX and also of LH2 are used before liftoff.
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    @Uwe I was actually editing that into my answer as you were posting....
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$begingroup$

For the Space Shuttle:



Using the same approximate curves (with all their assumptions and limitations) used in the answer to How does the Space Shuttle's SSME engine's thrust vary after ignition?, we can integrate the SSME flowrates to get a startup propellant consumption of:



416 lbm LH2, 2246 lbm LO2 per engine,



and ~ 1248 lbm LH2, 6738 lbm LO2 for all three engines.



Since liftoff was virtually instantaneous after SRB ignition (certainly to the precision of these calculations) we can ignore SRB propellant usage preliftoff.



Using the ET loading numbers from Challenger disaster: how full was the external tank at the time of destruction? (LO2 1,387,457 lbm, LH2 234,265 lbm) we can calculate the % usage of ET propellant prior to liftoff as approximately 0.5% for both propellants.






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    The external tank is loaded with 1,387,457 lb of LOX and 234,265 lb of LH2. So only 0.5 % of LOX and also of LH2 are used before liftoff.
    $endgroup$
    – Uwe
    Mar 18 at 14:05










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    @Uwe I was actually editing that into my answer as you were posting....
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$begingroup$

For the Space Shuttle:



Using the same approximate curves (with all their assumptions and limitations) used in the answer to How does the Space Shuttle's SSME engine's thrust vary after ignition?, we can integrate the SSME flowrates to get a startup propellant consumption of:



416 lbm LH2, 2246 lbm LO2 per engine,



and ~ 1248 lbm LH2, 6738 lbm LO2 for all three engines.



Since liftoff was virtually instantaneous after SRB ignition (certainly to the precision of these calculations) we can ignore SRB propellant usage preliftoff.



Using the ET loading numbers from Challenger disaster: how full was the external tank at the time of destruction? (LO2 1,387,457 lbm, LH2 234,265 lbm) we can calculate the % usage of ET propellant prior to liftoff as approximately 0.5% for both propellants.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



For the Space Shuttle:



Using the same approximate curves (with all their assumptions and limitations) used in the answer to How does the Space Shuttle's SSME engine's thrust vary after ignition?, we can integrate the SSME flowrates to get a startup propellant consumption of:



416 lbm LH2, 2246 lbm LO2 per engine,



and ~ 1248 lbm LH2, 6738 lbm LO2 for all three engines.



Since liftoff was virtually instantaneous after SRB ignition (certainly to the precision of these calculations) we can ignore SRB propellant usage preliftoff.



Using the ET loading numbers from Challenger disaster: how full was the external tank at the time of destruction? (LO2 1,387,457 lbm, LH2 234,265 lbm) we can calculate the % usage of ET propellant prior to liftoff as approximately 0.5% for both propellants.







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