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Has any country ever had 2 former presidents in jail simultaneously?


Any precedents of U.S. presidents having served in other government roles after the ends of their terms?Has any US President served in a government position with a foreign nation before or after their presidency?At what point were there the most current and former US Presidents alive?Did any European ever witness a major Inca religious festival?Are there any images within the time period of contemporary history (1945 to the present) that had different interpretations by historians?Given the direct involvement of tech companies has there been any strikes over tech companies’ participation in surveillance culture?













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I suspect that today, this achievement has been granted for the first time to Brazil, with the arresting of Michel Temer, and considering that Lula da Silva is still under arrest.



It is normally big news if a former president is incarcerated, so I'd be surprised to know this occurred twice somewhere else.










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    and Rio de Janeiro State has 5 former governors in jail, house arrest, or who just recently got out of prison. (Garotinho hubby & wife, Moreira Franco, Sergio Cabral, Luiz Pezão).

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    I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question does not seem to be relevant to history (or to any other science).

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    Illinois managed to do that with two former Governors.

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    @LarsTech At least 2. At one point, I seem to recall that they had 4 out of 5 consecutive Governors go to prison after leaving (or being expelled from) office.

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I suspect that today, this achievement has been granted for the first time to Brazil, with the arresting of Michel Temer, and considering that Lula da Silva is still under arrest.



It is normally big news if a former president is incarcerated, so I'd be surprised to know this occurred twice somewhere else.










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    and Rio de Janeiro State has 5 former governors in jail, house arrest, or who just recently got out of prison. (Garotinho hubby & wife, Moreira Franco, Sergio Cabral, Luiz Pezão).

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    Illinois managed to do that with two former Governors.

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    @LarsTech At least 2. At one point, I seem to recall that they had 4 out of 5 consecutive Governors go to prison after leaving (or being expelled from) office.

    – reirab
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I suspect that today, this achievement has been granted for the first time to Brazil, with the arresting of Michel Temer, and considering that Lula da Silva is still under arrest.



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I suspect that today, this achievement has been granted for the first time to Brazil, with the arresting of Michel Temer, and considering that Lula da Silva is still under arrest.



It is normally big news if a former president is incarcerated, so I'd be surprised to know this occurred twice somewhere else.







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    and Rio de Janeiro State has 5 former governors in jail, house arrest, or who just recently got out of prison. (Garotinho hubby & wife, Moreira Franco, Sergio Cabral, Luiz Pezão).

    – Luiz
    Mar 21 at 19:40






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    I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question does not seem to be relevant to history (or to any other science).

    – Alex
    Mar 21 at 19:46






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    Illinois managed to do that with two former Governors.

    – LarsTech
    2 days ago






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    @LarsTech At least 2. At one point, I seem to recall that they had 4 out of 5 consecutive Governors go to prison after leaving (or being expelled from) office.

    – reirab
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  • @Alex It's literally a question about whether a thing has happened historically.

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    and Rio de Janeiro State has 5 former governors in jail, house arrest, or who just recently got out of prison. (Garotinho hubby & wife, Moreira Franco, Sergio Cabral, Luiz Pezão).

    – Luiz
    Mar 21 at 19:40






  • 3





    I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question does not seem to be relevant to history (or to any other science).

    – Alex
    Mar 21 at 19:46






  • 3





    Illinois managed to do that with two former Governors.

    – LarsTech
    2 days ago






  • 2





    @LarsTech At least 2. At one point, I seem to recall that they had 4 out of 5 consecutive Governors go to prison after leaving (or being expelled from) office.

    – reirab
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  • @Alex It's literally a question about whether a thing has happened historically.

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and Rio de Janeiro State has 5 former governors in jail, house arrest, or who just recently got out of prison. (Garotinho hubby & wife, Moreira Franco, Sergio Cabral, Luiz Pezão).

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and Rio de Janeiro State has 5 former governors in jail, house arrest, or who just recently got out of prison. (Garotinho hubby & wife, Moreira Franco, Sergio Cabral, Luiz Pezão).

– Luiz
Mar 21 at 19:40




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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question does not seem to be relevant to history (or to any other science).

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I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question does not seem to be relevant to history (or to any other science).

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Illinois managed to do that with two former Governors.

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Illinois managed to do that with two former Governors.

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@LarsTech At least 2. At one point, I seem to recall that they had 4 out of 5 consecutive Governors go to prison after leaving (or being expelled from) office.

– reirab
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@LarsTech At least 2. At one point, I seem to recall that they had 4 out of 5 consecutive Governors go to prison after leaving (or being expelled from) office.

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@Alex It's literally a question about whether a thing has happened historically.

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Quite a few candidates if:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_regimes_who_were_later_imprisoned



... [sort by country] is anything to go by...



  • Andalusia (technically an autonomous community in Spain) appears to have two former presidents sitting in jail since 2016.


  • Argentina has a whopping 8 presidents that sat in jail, including 2 from 2007 onward.


  • Bangladesh had 5 presidents who went to jail, of which two were behind bars in 1975.


  • Bosnia and Herzegovina had 2 presidents sitting in jail from 2006 to 2012.


  • Bulgaria had as many as 3 former prime ministers behind bars at the same time in 1944.


  • Comoros has 3 presidents and prime ministers behind bars at the time of writing this.


  • Costa Rica had 2 presidents behind bars from 2004 to 2012.


I'll stop at C, since the list is long, with a few honorable mentions:



  • Egypt appears to have had 5 former presidents in jail in 2013.


  • Guatemala 3 early in 2018


  • Hungary 4 in 1945


  • Iraq 4 in 2004


  • Japan 5 in 1945


  • Libya 4 in 2011


  • Pakistan 4 + 2 arrest warrants as I write this


The point is Brazil is not an exception.



One caveat: read the list with a fistful of salt, because it lists former French President Sarkozy as sitting behind bars since 2018, whereas he was only put in police custody for a day that year as he was charged with bribery and illegal campaign contributions. (He might sit in jail some day in the future, but the point here is that you may want to double check the data.) Also, Gaston Flosse of French Polynesia is listed twice.






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    Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

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    The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

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  • This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

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Peru has an interesting case of former presidents being incarcerated or in the eye of justice.




  • Alberto Fujimori in right now in prison, for human right violations, 25 years of conviction.


  • Ollanta Humala is in preventive reclusion, investigated for corruption.


  • Alejandro Toledo, currently fugitive of justice for corruption as well. Case Oderbrecht (link in Spanish), that started in Brasil.


  • Alan García, twice president, twice investigated for corruption. Lately due to case Oderbrecht as well.

Summary, if you have been a Peruvian president, you are probably under investigation by the justice.






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    The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

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    Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

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    @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

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    @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

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    @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

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South Korea right now has their last two presidents, Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye in jail.



Then again, almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide...






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  • almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

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Notice that the cases of Lula and Temer are very different.



Lula has been convicted and is serving a sentence (his conviction borders ridicule, going directly against all evidence found in the process - he is not the owner of the apartment that would have constituted the "bribe", he never lived there, he never used the apartment otherwise, and he never received any rent for it).



Temer is under "prisão preventiva", which means under arrest in order to not mess with the investigations against him (his arrest is also very much illegal, as the order does not fulfill any of the requirements for a preemptive arrest - continuation of illegal activity, danger of flight, or danger to the integrity of evidence - and will very likely be overturned by an habeas corpus).



So those are different situations; one is a conviction, the other is part of an investigation.




When I was a little kid I used to think that being president of Brazil was a bad thing, because all former living presidents (Juscelino Kubitshek, João Goulart) had been expelled from the country into exile. I thought it was a rule, and in the atmosphere of fear that was prevalent at the time, no one would explain me what was really going on.



Point being, dictatorships will arrest former presidents, or kill them, or send them into exile. It is just what it seems: arbitrary use of power against real or perceived enemies.



Heck, even regimes that are, at least formally, democracies, aren't immune to this disease, as it is the obvious case of Lula. The judicial branch is as corrupt as any other, if not even more, and is not above directly contradicting law and precedent - and then trying to get a 2.5 billion reais illegal reward for such "services"...






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    Quite a few candidates if:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_regimes_who_were_later_imprisoned



    ... [sort by country] is anything to go by...



    • Andalusia (technically an autonomous community in Spain) appears to have two former presidents sitting in jail since 2016.


    • Argentina has a whopping 8 presidents that sat in jail, including 2 from 2007 onward.


    • Bangladesh had 5 presidents who went to jail, of which two were behind bars in 1975.


    • Bosnia and Herzegovina had 2 presidents sitting in jail from 2006 to 2012.


    • Bulgaria had as many as 3 former prime ministers behind bars at the same time in 1944.


    • Comoros has 3 presidents and prime ministers behind bars at the time of writing this.


    • Costa Rica had 2 presidents behind bars from 2004 to 2012.


    I'll stop at C, since the list is long, with a few honorable mentions:



    • Egypt appears to have had 5 former presidents in jail in 2013.


    • Guatemala 3 early in 2018


    • Hungary 4 in 1945


    • Iraq 4 in 2004


    • Japan 5 in 1945


    • Libya 4 in 2011


    • Pakistan 4 + 2 arrest warrants as I write this


    The point is Brazil is not an exception.



    One caveat: read the list with a fistful of salt, because it lists former French President Sarkozy as sitting behind bars since 2018, whereas he was only put in police custody for a day that year as he was charged with bribery and illegal campaign contributions. (He might sit in jail some day in the future, but the point here is that you may want to double check the data.) Also, Gaston Flosse of French Polynesia is listed twice.






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      Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

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      The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

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    • This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

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    Quite a few candidates if:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_regimes_who_were_later_imprisoned



    ... [sort by country] is anything to go by...



    • Andalusia (technically an autonomous community in Spain) appears to have two former presidents sitting in jail since 2016.


    • Argentina has a whopping 8 presidents that sat in jail, including 2 from 2007 onward.


    • Bangladesh had 5 presidents who went to jail, of which two were behind bars in 1975.


    • Bosnia and Herzegovina had 2 presidents sitting in jail from 2006 to 2012.


    • Bulgaria had as many as 3 former prime ministers behind bars at the same time in 1944.


    • Comoros has 3 presidents and prime ministers behind bars at the time of writing this.


    • Costa Rica had 2 presidents behind bars from 2004 to 2012.


    I'll stop at C, since the list is long, with a few honorable mentions:



    • Egypt appears to have had 5 former presidents in jail in 2013.


    • Guatemala 3 early in 2018


    • Hungary 4 in 1945


    • Iraq 4 in 2004


    • Japan 5 in 1945


    • Libya 4 in 2011


    • Pakistan 4 + 2 arrest warrants as I write this


    The point is Brazil is not an exception.



    One caveat: read the list with a fistful of salt, because it lists former French President Sarkozy as sitting behind bars since 2018, whereas he was only put in police custody for a day that year as he was charged with bribery and illegal campaign contributions. (He might sit in jail some day in the future, but the point here is that you may want to double check the data.) Also, Gaston Flosse of French Polynesia is listed twice.






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      Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

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      The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

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    • This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

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    Quite a few candidates if:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_regimes_who_were_later_imprisoned



    ... [sort by country] is anything to go by...



    • Andalusia (technically an autonomous community in Spain) appears to have two former presidents sitting in jail since 2016.


    • Argentina has a whopping 8 presidents that sat in jail, including 2 from 2007 onward.


    • Bangladesh had 5 presidents who went to jail, of which two were behind bars in 1975.


    • Bosnia and Herzegovina had 2 presidents sitting in jail from 2006 to 2012.


    • Bulgaria had as many as 3 former prime ministers behind bars at the same time in 1944.


    • Comoros has 3 presidents and prime ministers behind bars at the time of writing this.


    • Costa Rica had 2 presidents behind bars from 2004 to 2012.


    I'll stop at C, since the list is long, with a few honorable mentions:



    • Egypt appears to have had 5 former presidents in jail in 2013.


    • Guatemala 3 early in 2018


    • Hungary 4 in 1945


    • Iraq 4 in 2004


    • Japan 5 in 1945


    • Libya 4 in 2011


    • Pakistan 4 + 2 arrest warrants as I write this


    The point is Brazil is not an exception.



    One caveat: read the list with a fistful of salt, because it lists former French President Sarkozy as sitting behind bars since 2018, whereas he was only put in police custody for a day that year as he was charged with bribery and illegal campaign contributions. (He might sit in jail some day in the future, but the point here is that you may want to double check the data.) Also, Gaston Flosse of French Polynesia is listed twice.






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    Quite a few candidates if:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_regimes_who_were_later_imprisoned



    ... [sort by country] is anything to go by...



    • Andalusia (technically an autonomous community in Spain) appears to have two former presidents sitting in jail since 2016.


    • Argentina has a whopping 8 presidents that sat in jail, including 2 from 2007 onward.


    • Bangladesh had 5 presidents who went to jail, of which two were behind bars in 1975.


    • Bosnia and Herzegovina had 2 presidents sitting in jail from 2006 to 2012.


    • Bulgaria had as many as 3 former prime ministers behind bars at the same time in 1944.


    • Comoros has 3 presidents and prime ministers behind bars at the time of writing this.


    • Costa Rica had 2 presidents behind bars from 2004 to 2012.


    I'll stop at C, since the list is long, with a few honorable mentions:



    • Egypt appears to have had 5 former presidents in jail in 2013.


    • Guatemala 3 early in 2018


    • Hungary 4 in 1945


    • Iraq 4 in 2004


    • Japan 5 in 1945


    • Libya 4 in 2011


    • Pakistan 4 + 2 arrest warrants as I write this


    The point is Brazil is not an exception.



    One caveat: read the list with a fistful of salt, because it lists former French President Sarkozy as sitting behind bars since 2018, whereas he was only put in police custody for a day that year as he was charged with bribery and illegal campaign contributions. (He might sit in jail some day in the future, but the point here is that you may want to double check the data.) Also, Gaston Flosse of French Polynesia is listed twice.







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      Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

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      The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

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    • This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

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      Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

      – SJuan76
      2 days ago







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      The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

      – GrandOpener
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    • This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

      – Martin Argerami
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    Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

    – SJuan76
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    Take the list with lots of salt. Neither Arthur Más nor Carles Puigdemont have ever been imprisoned, and considering regional governments as "regimes" is to much of an stretch.

    – SJuan76
    2 days ago





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    2





    The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

    – GrandOpener
    2 days ago





    The word "regime" has a lot of connotational baggage on it, but denotationally the word essentially just means "government." To the extent that use of the word "regime" is appropriate at all, it is quite reasonable to refer to regional governments as "regimes." Probably that Wikipedia article would be better off just changing the word "regime" to "government."

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    This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

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    This list is clearly misleading. The case of Brazil is remarkable, because these are former presidents who are in prison, by the ordinary justice, and during a democratic period. Many in the list (all 8 from Argentina, for instance) are either former dictators or political prisoners.

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    Peru has an interesting case of former presidents being incarcerated or in the eye of justice.




    • Alberto Fujimori in right now in prison, for human right violations, 25 years of conviction.


    • Ollanta Humala is in preventive reclusion, investigated for corruption.


    • Alejandro Toledo, currently fugitive of justice for corruption as well. Case Oderbrecht (link in Spanish), that started in Brasil.


    • Alan García, twice president, twice investigated for corruption. Lately due to case Oderbrecht as well.

    Summary, if you have been a Peruvian president, you are probably under investigation by the justice.






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      The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

      – Mefitico
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      Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

      – ajd
      2 days ago






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      @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

      – SJuan76
      2 days ago







    • 1





      @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

      – jwenting
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      @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

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    Peru has an interesting case of former presidents being incarcerated or in the eye of justice.




    • Alberto Fujimori in right now in prison, for human right violations, 25 years of conviction.


    • Ollanta Humala is in preventive reclusion, investigated for corruption.


    • Alejandro Toledo, currently fugitive of justice for corruption as well. Case Oderbrecht (link in Spanish), that started in Brasil.


    • Alan García, twice president, twice investigated for corruption. Lately due to case Oderbrecht as well.

    Summary, if you have been a Peruvian president, you are probably under investigation by the justice.






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      The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

      – Mefitico
      Mar 21 at 19:28






    • 2





      Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

      – ajd
      2 days ago






    • 7





      @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

      – SJuan76
      2 days ago







    • 1





      @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

      – jwenting
      2 days ago






    • 2





      @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

      – Mefitico
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    33








    33







    Peru has an interesting case of former presidents being incarcerated or in the eye of justice.




    • Alberto Fujimori in right now in prison, for human right violations, 25 years of conviction.


    • Ollanta Humala is in preventive reclusion, investigated for corruption.


    • Alejandro Toledo, currently fugitive of justice for corruption as well. Case Oderbrecht (link in Spanish), that started in Brasil.


    • Alan García, twice president, twice investigated for corruption. Lately due to case Oderbrecht as well.

    Summary, if you have been a Peruvian president, you are probably under investigation by the justice.






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    Peru has an interesting case of former presidents being incarcerated or in the eye of justice.




    • Alberto Fujimori in right now in prison, for human right violations, 25 years of conviction.


    • Ollanta Humala is in preventive reclusion, investigated for corruption.


    • Alejandro Toledo, currently fugitive of justice for corruption as well. Case Oderbrecht (link in Spanish), that started in Brasil.


    • Alan García, twice president, twice investigated for corruption. Lately due to case Oderbrecht as well.

    Summary, if you have been a Peruvian president, you are probably under investigation by the justice.







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      The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

      – Mefitico
      Mar 21 at 19:28






    • 2





      Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

      – ajd
      2 days ago






    • 7





      @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

      – SJuan76
      2 days ago







    • 1





      @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

      – jwenting
      2 days ago






    • 2





      @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

      – Mefitico
      2 days ago












    • 5





      The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

      – Mefitico
      Mar 21 at 19:28






    • 2





      Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

      – ajd
      2 days ago






    • 7





      @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

      – SJuan76
      2 days ago







    • 1





      @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

      – jwenting
      2 days ago






    • 2





      @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

      – Mefitico
      2 days ago







    5




    5





    The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

    – Mefitico
    Mar 21 at 19:28





    The question asks about "jail", so "preventive reclusion" is quite close but not there. Then again, Peru might be a serious contender for the first triple.

    – Mefitico
    Mar 21 at 19:28




    2




    2





    Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

    – ajd
    2 days ago





    Alejandro Toledo spent a night in a California jail in March 2019, so that would count I guess. apnews.com/d60d5e33803c4c959f03e0e47e711ee6

    – ajd
    2 days ago




    7




    7





    @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

    – SJuan76
    2 days ago






    @Mefitico if you do not want to consider "preventive reclusion" then your reference to Brazil is a bit misleading since, from what I gather from the news, Temer is currently in preventive reclusion (so far he has not been condemned).

    – SJuan76
    2 days ago





    1




    1





    @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

    – jwenting
    2 days ago





    @Mefitico afaik "preventive reclusion" is the equivalent of what in the US is called jail. A term that in many countries is synonymous with prison. You're hanging on linguistic differences here. He's in jail awaiting trial, rather than after being tried.

    – jwenting
    2 days ago




    2




    2





    @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

    – Mefitico
    2 days ago





    @jwenting: In Brazil "reclusion" normally refers to home arrest. We say something in the lines of "preventive imprisonment" when someone actually goes to jail before trial.

    – Mefitico
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    South Korea right now has their last two presidents, Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye in jail.



    Then again, almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide...






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    • almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

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    • @newguy, past events do not imply that they must repeat themselves in the future, and nobody has a time machine.

      – Cœur
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    South Korea right now has their last two presidents, Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye in jail.



    Then again, almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide...






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    • almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

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      – Cœur
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    16








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    South Korea right now has their last two presidents, Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye in jail.



    Then again, almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide...






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    South Korea right now has their last two presidents, Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye in jail.



    Then again, almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide...







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    • almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

      – newguy
      yesterday











    • @newguy, past events do not imply that they must repeat themselves in the future, and nobody has a time machine.

      – Cœur
      4 hours ago


















    • almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

      – newguy
      yesterday











    • @newguy, past events do not imply that they must repeat themselves in the future, and nobody has a time machine.

      – Cœur
      4 hours ago

















    almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

    – newguy
    yesterday





    almost all ex-presidents of South Korea end up either on trial or committing suicide. is this true? I mean will this continue in future as well? If yes why?

    – newguy
    yesterday













    @newguy, past events do not imply that they must repeat themselves in the future, and nobody has a time machine.

    – Cœur
    4 hours ago






    @newguy, past events do not imply that they must repeat themselves in the future, and nobody has a time machine.

    – Cœur
    4 hours ago












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    Notice that the cases of Lula and Temer are very different.



    Lula has been convicted and is serving a sentence (his conviction borders ridicule, going directly against all evidence found in the process - he is not the owner of the apartment that would have constituted the "bribe", he never lived there, he never used the apartment otherwise, and he never received any rent for it).



    Temer is under "prisão preventiva", which means under arrest in order to not mess with the investigations against him (his arrest is also very much illegal, as the order does not fulfill any of the requirements for a preemptive arrest - continuation of illegal activity, danger of flight, or danger to the integrity of evidence - and will very likely be overturned by an habeas corpus).



    So those are different situations; one is a conviction, the other is part of an investigation.




    When I was a little kid I used to think that being president of Brazil was a bad thing, because all former living presidents (Juscelino Kubitshek, João Goulart) had been expelled from the country into exile. I thought it was a rule, and in the atmosphere of fear that was prevalent at the time, no one would explain me what was really going on.



    Point being, dictatorships will arrest former presidents, or kill them, or send them into exile. It is just what it seems: arbitrary use of power against real or perceived enemies.



    Heck, even regimes that are, at least formally, democracies, aren't immune to this disease, as it is the obvious case of Lula. The judicial branch is as corrupt as any other, if not even more, and is not above directly contradicting law and precedent - and then trying to get a 2.5 billion reais illegal reward for such "services"...






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      Notice that the cases of Lula and Temer are very different.



      Lula has been convicted and is serving a sentence (his conviction borders ridicule, going directly against all evidence found in the process - he is not the owner of the apartment that would have constituted the "bribe", he never lived there, he never used the apartment otherwise, and he never received any rent for it).



      Temer is under "prisão preventiva", which means under arrest in order to not mess with the investigations against him (his arrest is also very much illegal, as the order does not fulfill any of the requirements for a preemptive arrest - continuation of illegal activity, danger of flight, or danger to the integrity of evidence - and will very likely be overturned by an habeas corpus).



      So those are different situations; one is a conviction, the other is part of an investigation.




      When I was a little kid I used to think that being president of Brazil was a bad thing, because all former living presidents (Juscelino Kubitshek, João Goulart) had been expelled from the country into exile. I thought it was a rule, and in the atmosphere of fear that was prevalent at the time, no one would explain me what was really going on.



      Point being, dictatorships will arrest former presidents, or kill them, or send them into exile. It is just what it seems: arbitrary use of power against real or perceived enemies.



      Heck, even regimes that are, at least formally, democracies, aren't immune to this disease, as it is the obvious case of Lula. The judicial branch is as corrupt as any other, if not even more, and is not above directly contradicting law and precedent - and then trying to get a 2.5 billion reais illegal reward for such "services"...






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        Notice that the cases of Lula and Temer are very different.



        Lula has been convicted and is serving a sentence (his conviction borders ridicule, going directly against all evidence found in the process - he is not the owner of the apartment that would have constituted the "bribe", he never lived there, he never used the apartment otherwise, and he never received any rent for it).



        Temer is under "prisão preventiva", which means under arrest in order to not mess with the investigations against him (his arrest is also very much illegal, as the order does not fulfill any of the requirements for a preemptive arrest - continuation of illegal activity, danger of flight, or danger to the integrity of evidence - and will very likely be overturned by an habeas corpus).



        So those are different situations; one is a conviction, the other is part of an investigation.




        When I was a little kid I used to think that being president of Brazil was a bad thing, because all former living presidents (Juscelino Kubitshek, João Goulart) had been expelled from the country into exile. I thought it was a rule, and in the atmosphere of fear that was prevalent at the time, no one would explain me what was really going on.



        Point being, dictatorships will arrest former presidents, or kill them, or send them into exile. It is just what it seems: arbitrary use of power against real or perceived enemies.



        Heck, even regimes that are, at least formally, democracies, aren't immune to this disease, as it is the obvious case of Lula. The judicial branch is as corrupt as any other, if not even more, and is not above directly contradicting law and precedent - and then trying to get a 2.5 billion reais illegal reward for such "services"...






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        Notice that the cases of Lula and Temer are very different.



        Lula has been convicted and is serving a sentence (his conviction borders ridicule, going directly against all evidence found in the process - he is not the owner of the apartment that would have constituted the "bribe", he never lived there, he never used the apartment otherwise, and he never received any rent for it).



        Temer is under "prisão preventiva", which means under arrest in order to not mess with the investigations against him (his arrest is also very much illegal, as the order does not fulfill any of the requirements for a preemptive arrest - continuation of illegal activity, danger of flight, or danger to the integrity of evidence - and will very likely be overturned by an habeas corpus).



        So those are different situations; one is a conviction, the other is part of an investigation.




        When I was a little kid I used to think that being president of Brazil was a bad thing, because all former living presidents (Juscelino Kubitshek, João Goulart) had been expelled from the country into exile. I thought it was a rule, and in the atmosphere of fear that was prevalent at the time, no one would explain me what was really going on.



        Point being, dictatorships will arrest former presidents, or kill them, or send them into exile. It is just what it seems: arbitrary use of power against real or perceived enemies.



        Heck, even regimes that are, at least formally, democracies, aren't immune to this disease, as it is the obvious case of Lula. The judicial branch is as corrupt as any other, if not even more, and is not above directly contradicting law and precedent - and then trying to get a 2.5 billion reais illegal reward for such "services"...







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