Should I use a hyphen with a phrase involving “then”?
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In this sentence: "before migrating to lower SoHo, and the then still fringe neighborhood of Chelsea," I feel like "then-still" should be hyphenated, but I can't find a rule in the Chicago Manual of Style about it. Any ideas?
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In this sentence: "before migrating to lower SoHo, and the then still fringe neighborhood of Chelsea," I feel like "then-still" should be hyphenated, but I can't find a rule in the Chicago Manual of Style about it. Any ideas?
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Note that the "CamelCase" capitalisation SoHo is an acronym for Small Office / Home Office, not a district in London. But seriously - was there ever a time when you could call Chelsea a "fringe neighbourhood"? Whatever - the normal hyphenation here would be the then-still-fringe neighbourhood, since those three highlighted words are being "ungrammatically" forced into a syntactically adjectival role.
– FumbleFingers
Aug 16 '18 at 15:12
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There is no stringent rule for hyphenation.
– Ubi hatt
Aug 16 '18 at 15:13
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Hyphenating "then-still" looks odd to me. If anything, I would hyphenate "still-fringe."
– user184130
Aug 16 '18 at 15:16
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Thanks @FumbleFingers--just for clarification, the article is about NYC, during a time when the Chelsea neighborhood here was indeed considered "fringe" :)
– Ania
Aug 16 '18 at 15:20
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Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
– tchrist♦
Aug 16 '18 at 15:22
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In this sentence: "before migrating to lower SoHo, and the then still fringe neighborhood of Chelsea," I feel like "then-still" should be hyphenated, but I can't find a rule in the Chicago Manual of Style about it. Any ideas?
hyphenation
asked Aug 16 '18 at 15:08
AniaAnia
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In this sentence: "before migrating to lower SoHo, and the then still fringe neighborhood of Chelsea," I feel like "then-still" should be hyphenated, but I can't find a rule in the Chicago Manual of Style about it. Any ideas?
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hyphenation
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Note that the "CamelCase" capitalisation SoHo is an acronym for Small Office / Home Office, not a district in London. But seriously - was there ever a time when you could call Chelsea a "fringe neighbourhood"? Whatever - the normal hyphenation here would be the then-still-fringe neighbourhood, since those three highlighted words are being "ungrammatically" forced into a syntactically adjectival role.
– FumbleFingers
Aug 16 '18 at 15:12
1
There is no stringent rule for hyphenation.
– Ubi hatt
Aug 16 '18 at 15:13
2
Hyphenating "then-still" looks odd to me. If anything, I would hyphenate "still-fringe."
– user184130
Aug 16 '18 at 15:16
2
Thanks @FumbleFingers--just for clarification, the article is about NYC, during a time when the Chelsea neighborhood here was indeed considered "fringe" :)
– Ania
Aug 16 '18 at 15:20
1
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
– tchrist♦
Aug 16 '18 at 15:22
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Note that the "CamelCase" capitalisation SoHo is an acronym for Small Office / Home Office, not a district in London. But seriously - was there ever a time when you could call Chelsea a "fringe neighbourhood"? Whatever - the normal hyphenation here would be the then-still-fringe neighbourhood, since those three highlighted words are being "ungrammatically" forced into a syntactically adjectival role.
– FumbleFingers
Aug 16 '18 at 15:12
1
There is no stringent rule for hyphenation.
– Ubi hatt
Aug 16 '18 at 15:13
2
Hyphenating "then-still" looks odd to me. If anything, I would hyphenate "still-fringe."
– user184130
Aug 16 '18 at 15:16
2
Thanks @FumbleFingers--just for clarification, the article is about NYC, during a time when the Chelsea neighborhood here was indeed considered "fringe" :)
– Ania
Aug 16 '18 at 15:20
1
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
– tchrist♦
Aug 16 '18 at 15:22
Note that the "CamelCase" capitalisation SoHo is an acronym for Small Office / Home Office, not a district in London. But seriously - was there ever a time when you could call Chelsea a "fringe neighbourhood"? Whatever - the normal hyphenation here would be the then-still-fringe neighbourhood, since those three highlighted words are being "ungrammatically" forced into a syntactically adjectival role.
– FumbleFingers
Aug 16 '18 at 15:12
Note that the "CamelCase" capitalisation SoHo is an acronym for Small Office / Home Office, not a district in London. But seriously - was there ever a time when you could call Chelsea a "fringe neighbourhood"? Whatever - the normal hyphenation here would be the then-still-fringe neighbourhood, since those three highlighted words are being "ungrammatically" forced into a syntactically adjectival role.
– FumbleFingers
Aug 16 '18 at 15:12
1
1
There is no stringent rule for hyphenation.
– Ubi hatt
Aug 16 '18 at 15:13
There is no stringent rule for hyphenation.
– Ubi hatt
Aug 16 '18 at 15:13
2
2
Hyphenating "then-still" looks odd to me. If anything, I would hyphenate "still-fringe."
– user184130
Aug 16 '18 at 15:16
Hyphenating "then-still" looks odd to me. If anything, I would hyphenate "still-fringe."
– user184130
Aug 16 '18 at 15:16
2
2
Thanks @FumbleFingers--just for clarification, the article is about NYC, during a time when the Chelsea neighborhood here was indeed considered "fringe" :)
– Ania
Aug 16 '18 at 15:20
Thanks @FumbleFingers--just for clarification, the article is about NYC, during a time when the Chelsea neighborhood here was indeed considered "fringe" :)
– Ania
Aug 16 '18 at 15:20
1
1
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
– tchrist♦
Aug 16 '18 at 15:22
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
– tchrist♦
Aug 16 '18 at 15:22
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In a comment, I wrote:
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
In a comment, FumbleFingers wrote:
Yeah - hyphenating just still-fringe doesn't look too bad either (but just then-still looks weird). As a matter of fact though, when I just searched Google Books for the structurally-identical sequence the then still unknown (person, thing, idea) I didn't see any hyphenated instances in the first couple of pages of 636 results returned.
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In a comment, I wrote:
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
In a comment, FumbleFingers wrote:
Yeah - hyphenating just still-fringe doesn't look too bad either (but just then-still looks weird). As a matter of fact though, when I just searched Google Books for the structurally-identical sequence the then still unknown (person, thing, idea) I didn't see any hyphenated instances in the first couple of pages of 636 results returned.
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In a comment, I wrote:
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
In a comment, FumbleFingers wrote:
Yeah - hyphenating just still-fringe doesn't look too bad either (but just then-still looks weird). As a matter of fact though, when I just searched Google Books for the structurally-identical sequence the then still unknown (person, thing, idea) I didn't see any hyphenated instances in the first couple of pages of 636 results returned.
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In a comment, I wrote:
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
In a comment, FumbleFingers wrote:
Yeah - hyphenating just still-fringe doesn't look too bad either (but just then-still looks weird). As a matter of fact though, when I just searched Google Books for the structurally-identical sequence the then still unknown (person, thing, idea) I didn't see any hyphenated instances in the first couple of pages of 636 results returned.
In a comment, I wrote:
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
In a comment, FumbleFingers wrote:
Yeah - hyphenating just still-fringe doesn't look too bad either (but just then-still looks weird). As a matter of fact though, when I just searched Google Books for the structurally-identical sequence the then still unknown (person, thing, idea) I didn't see any hyphenated instances in the first couple of pages of 636 results returned.
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Note that the "CamelCase" capitalisation SoHo is an acronym for Small Office / Home Office, not a district in London. But seriously - was there ever a time when you could call Chelsea a "fringe neighbourhood"? Whatever - the normal hyphenation here would be the then-still-fringe neighbourhood, since those three highlighted words are being "ungrammatically" forced into a syntactically adjectival role.
– FumbleFingers
Aug 16 '18 at 15:12
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There is no stringent rule for hyphenation.
– Ubi hatt
Aug 16 '18 at 15:13
2
Hyphenating "then-still" looks odd to me. If anything, I would hyphenate "still-fringe."
– user184130
Aug 16 '18 at 15:16
2
Thanks @FumbleFingers--just for clarification, the article is about NYC, during a time when the Chelsea neighborhood here was indeed considered "fringe" :)
– Ania
Aug 16 '18 at 15:20
1
Because you should only use hyphens when some confusion would otherwise arise, which misparsing are you attempting to avoid here? Books don't hyphenate this.
– tchrist♦
Aug 16 '18 at 15:22