Number of words that can be made using all the letters of the word W, if Os as well as Is are separated is?












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I am facing difficulty in solving the 18th Question from the above passage.



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I have attempted it using principal of inclusion and exclusion.



Let n be the required number of ways.



$n = text{Total number of ways - Number of ways in which Os and Is are together}$



$implies n = dfrac{12!}{3!2!2!} - dfrac{11!}{2!3!} - dfrac{10!}{2!2!}+ dfrac{9!2!}{2!} = 399 times 8!$



This gives $N = 399$ which is wrong. Can you please tell me why am I getting the wrong answer?










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I am facing difficulty in solving the 18th Question from the above passage.



Attempt:



I have attempted it using principal of inclusion and exclusion.



Let n be the required number of ways.



$n = text{Total number of ways - Number of ways in which Os and Is are together}$



$implies n = dfrac{12!}{3!2!2!} - dfrac{11!}{2!3!} - dfrac{10!}{2!2!}+ dfrac{9!2!}{2!} = 399 times 8!$



This gives $N = 399$ which is wrong. Can you please tell me why am I getting the wrong answer?










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I am facing difficulty in solving the 18th Question from the above passage.



Attempt:



I have attempted it using principal of inclusion and exclusion.



Let n be the required number of ways.



$n = text{Total number of ways - Number of ways in which Os and Is are together}$



$implies n = dfrac{12!}{3!2!2!} - dfrac{11!}{2!3!} - dfrac{10!}{2!2!}+ dfrac{9!2!}{2!} = 399 times 8!$



This gives $N = 399$ which is wrong. Can you please tell me why am I getting the wrong answer?










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I am facing difficulty in solving the 18th Question from the above passage.



Attempt:



I have attempted it using principal of inclusion and exclusion.



Let n be the required number of ways.



$n = text{Total number of ways - Number of ways in which Os and Is are together}$



$implies n = dfrac{12!}{3!2!2!} - dfrac{11!}{2!3!} - dfrac{10!}{2!2!}+ dfrac{9!2!}{2!} = 399 times 8!$



This gives $N = 399$ which is wrong. Can you please tell me why am I getting the wrong answer?







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Your mistake is not noticing that the I's can be non-separated two different ways: We can have all three of them together as III, but we can also have II in one place and I in another.



One way to calculate how many ways this can happen is to think of one pair II as a single letter, and the third I as a separate letter, and count the number of words we can make. This will count each III case twice: Once as I II, and once as II I. So we have to subtract the number of such cases once.



With this correction, the final calculation becomes
$$
overbrace{frac{12!}{3!2!2!}}^{text{All words}} - overbrace{frac{11!}{3!2!}}^{text{O's not separate}} - overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{11!}{2!2!}}_{text{II and I}} - underbrace{frac{10!}{2!2!}}_{text{III}}right)}^{text{I's not separate}} + overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{10!}{2!}}_{text{OO, II and I}} - underbrace{frac{9!}{2!}}_{text{OO and III}}right)}^{text{Neither O's nor I's separate}}
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which turns out to be $8!cdot 228$.






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The letter $I$ appears three times. You have calculated the number of ways to arrange the letters so that the three copies of $I$ aren't all in the same place (and also the two $O$s are separated). However, "separated" here means that no two of them are together. Your count includes such "words" as STIILOCATINO, which should be excluded.






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    How did you get each of the terms of $n$?




    • $frac{12!}{3!2!2!}$ : The number of ways of arranging the letters of SOLICITATION.


    • $frac{11!}{2!3!}$ : The number of ways in which the two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


    • $frac{10!}{2!2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


    • $frac{9!2!}{2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s and two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.



    Well , the problem is this : the complement of this case, also includes the case where two $I$s can be together and the third can be separate. You have not neglected this case, and that's why you have an answer larger than the given answer.






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      Your mistake is not noticing that the I's can be non-separated two different ways: We can have all three of them together as III, but we can also have II in one place and I in another.



      One way to calculate how many ways this can happen is to think of one pair II as a single letter, and the third I as a separate letter, and count the number of words we can make. This will count each III case twice: Once as I II, and once as II I. So we have to subtract the number of such cases once.



      With this correction, the final calculation becomes
      $$
      overbrace{frac{12!}{3!2!2!}}^{text{All words}} - overbrace{frac{11!}{3!2!}}^{text{O's not separate}} - overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{11!}{2!2!}}_{text{II and I}} - underbrace{frac{10!}{2!2!}}_{text{III}}right)}^{text{I's not separate}} + overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{10!}{2!}}_{text{OO, II and I}} - underbrace{frac{9!}{2!}}_{text{OO and III}}right)}^{text{Neither O's nor I's separate}}
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      which turns out to be $8!cdot 228$.






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        @Abcd I added a short explanation for what each term represents. The basic structure of your inclusion-exclusion calculation is still there, just with the two last terms corrected to make up for the mistake.
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      Your mistake is not noticing that the I's can be non-separated two different ways: We can have all three of them together as III, but we can also have II in one place and I in another.



      One way to calculate how many ways this can happen is to think of one pair II as a single letter, and the third I as a separate letter, and count the number of words we can make. This will count each III case twice: Once as I II, and once as II I. So we have to subtract the number of such cases once.



      With this correction, the final calculation becomes
      $$
      overbrace{frac{12!}{3!2!2!}}^{text{All words}} - overbrace{frac{11!}{3!2!}}^{text{O's not separate}} - overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{11!}{2!2!}}_{text{II and I}} - underbrace{frac{10!}{2!2!}}_{text{III}}right)}^{text{I's not separate}} + overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{10!}{2!}}_{text{OO, II and I}} - underbrace{frac{9!}{2!}}_{text{OO and III}}right)}^{text{Neither O's nor I's separate}}
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      which turns out to be $8!cdot 228$.






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        Thanks for the answer I have understood my mistake, but I am unable to understand the final equation in your answer. Can you label the terms like which term stands for which case?
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      Your mistake is not noticing that the I's can be non-separated two different ways: We can have all three of them together as III, but we can also have II in one place and I in another.



      One way to calculate how many ways this can happen is to think of one pair II as a single letter, and the third I as a separate letter, and count the number of words we can make. This will count each III case twice: Once as I II, and once as II I. So we have to subtract the number of such cases once.



      With this correction, the final calculation becomes
      $$
      overbrace{frac{12!}{3!2!2!}}^{text{All words}} - overbrace{frac{11!}{3!2!}}^{text{O's not separate}} - overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{11!}{2!2!}}_{text{II and I}} - underbrace{frac{10!}{2!2!}}_{text{III}}right)}^{text{I's not separate}} + overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{10!}{2!}}_{text{OO, II and I}} - underbrace{frac{9!}{2!}}_{text{OO and III}}right)}^{text{Neither O's nor I's separate}}
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      which turns out to be $8!cdot 228$.






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      Your mistake is not noticing that the I's can be non-separated two different ways: We can have all three of them together as III, but we can also have II in one place and I in another.



      One way to calculate how many ways this can happen is to think of one pair II as a single letter, and the third I as a separate letter, and count the number of words we can make. This will count each III case twice: Once as I II, and once as II I. So we have to subtract the number of such cases once.



      With this correction, the final calculation becomes
      $$
      overbrace{frac{12!}{3!2!2!}}^{text{All words}} - overbrace{frac{11!}{3!2!}}^{text{O's not separate}} - overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{11!}{2!2!}}_{text{II and I}} - underbrace{frac{10!}{2!2!}}_{text{III}}right)}^{text{I's not separate}} + overbrace{left(underbrace{frac{10!}{2!}}_{text{OO, II and I}} - underbrace{frac{9!}{2!}}_{text{OO and III}}right)}^{text{Neither O's nor I's separate}}
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      which turns out to be $8!cdot 228$.







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        Thanks for the answer I have understood my mistake, but I am unable to understand the final equation in your answer. Can you label the terms like which term stands for which case?
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        @Abcd I added a short explanation for what each term represents. The basic structure of your inclusion-exclusion calculation is still there, just with the two last terms corrected to make up for the mistake.
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        Thanks for the answer I have understood my mistake, but I am unable to understand the final equation in your answer. Can you label the terms like which term stands for which case?
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      Thanks for the answer I have understood my mistake, but I am unable to understand the final equation in your answer. Can you label the terms like which term stands for which case?
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      Thanks for the answer I have understood my mistake, but I am unable to understand the final equation in your answer. Can you label the terms like which term stands for which case?
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      @Abcd I added a short explanation for what each term represents. The basic structure of your inclusion-exclusion calculation is still there, just with the two last terms corrected to make up for the mistake.
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      The letter $I$ appears three times. You have calculated the number of ways to arrange the letters so that the three copies of $I$ aren't all in the same place (and also the two $O$s are separated). However, "separated" here means that no two of them are together. Your count includes such "words" as STIILOCATINO, which should be excluded.






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        The letter $I$ appears three times. You have calculated the number of ways to arrange the letters so that the three copies of $I$ aren't all in the same place (and also the two $O$s are separated). However, "separated" here means that no two of them are together. Your count includes such "words" as STIILOCATINO, which should be excluded.






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          The letter $I$ appears three times. You have calculated the number of ways to arrange the letters so that the three copies of $I$ aren't all in the same place (and also the two $O$s are separated). However, "separated" here means that no two of them are together. Your count includes such "words" as STIILOCATINO, which should be excluded.






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          The letter $I$ appears three times. You have calculated the number of ways to arrange the letters so that the three copies of $I$ aren't all in the same place (and also the two $O$s are separated). However, "separated" here means that no two of them are together. Your count includes such "words" as STIILOCATINO, which should be excluded.







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              How did you get each of the terms of $n$?




              • $frac{12!}{3!2!2!}$ : The number of ways of arranging the letters of SOLICITATION.


              • $frac{11!}{2!3!}$ : The number of ways in which the two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


              • $frac{10!}{2!2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


              • $frac{9!2!}{2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s and two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.



              Well , the problem is this : the complement of this case, also includes the case where two $I$s can be together and the third can be separate. You have not neglected this case, and that's why you have an answer larger than the given answer.






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                How did you get each of the terms of $n$?




                • $frac{12!}{3!2!2!}$ : The number of ways of arranging the letters of SOLICITATION.


                • $frac{11!}{2!3!}$ : The number of ways in which the two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


                • $frac{10!}{2!2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


                • $frac{9!2!}{2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s and two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.



                Well , the problem is this : the complement of this case, also includes the case where two $I$s can be together and the third can be separate. You have not neglected this case, and that's why you have an answer larger than the given answer.






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                  How did you get each of the terms of $n$?




                  • $frac{12!}{3!2!2!}$ : The number of ways of arranging the letters of SOLICITATION.


                  • $frac{11!}{2!3!}$ : The number of ways in which the two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


                  • $frac{10!}{2!2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


                  • $frac{9!2!}{2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s and two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.



                  Well , the problem is this : the complement of this case, also includes the case where two $I$s can be together and the third can be separate. You have not neglected this case, and that's why you have an answer larger than the given answer.






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                  How did you get each of the terms of $n$?




                  • $frac{12!}{3!2!2!}$ : The number of ways of arranging the letters of SOLICITATION.


                  • $frac{11!}{2!3!}$ : The number of ways in which the two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


                  • $frac{10!}{2!2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s can be together in SOLICITATION.


                  • $frac{9!2!}{2!}$ : The number of ways in which the three $I$s and two $O$s can be together in SOLICITATION.



                  Well , the problem is this : the complement of this case, also includes the case where two $I$s can be together and the third can be separate. You have not neglected this case, and that's why you have an answer larger than the given answer.







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