Is “false concedence” a thing? If not, is there an established term?
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concedence /kənˈsiːd(ə)ns/
noun
1) The action of conceding; concession, agreement.
Here's what I describe as false concedence:
Expressing that you concede a less consequential point, but only in an effort to show that you are willing to concede points. Your unspoken belief is that you do not concede that point. However if pressured, you are willing to forfeit that belief in order to maintain the perception had always conceded the point.
Is there a name for this sort of action? Technically a lie if unchallenged. But when challenged, the speaker may decide it's inconsequential and change their actions to make it the truth.
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concedence /kənˈsiːd(ə)ns/
noun
1) The action of conceding; concession, agreement.
Here's what I describe as false concedence:
Expressing that you concede a less consequential point, but only in an effort to show that you are willing to concede points. Your unspoken belief is that you do not concede that point. However if pressured, you are willing to forfeit that belief in order to maintain the perception had always conceded the point.
Is there a name for this sort of action? Technically a lie if unchallenged. But when challenged, the speaker may decide it's inconsequential and change their actions to make it the truth.
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asked May 23 at 23:13
MrMusAddictMrMusAddict
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almost white lie but not quite merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20lie
– Carly
May 23 at 23:22
I see nothing wrong with conceding something for the sake of an argument. It doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with the point—merely that you agree to no longer dispute it. There's a difference. I've heard I don't agree, but I'll concede the point (for now).
– Jason Bassford
May 23 at 23:32
@JasonBassford I guess I'm referring to the "agreement" definition of concede. As in saying "yeah you're right" but thinking "they're not actually right".
– MrMusAddict
May 23 at 23:35
If somebody says means yes, you're right when they use the word concede, but they don't actually believe the person is right, then they are being deceptive or dishonest—or they are lying (depending on how you look at it). But that doesn't really have anything to do with the word concede itself—because any synonymous word for that one sense of the word could be used.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 3:02
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concedence /kənˈsiːd(ə)ns/
noun
1) The action of conceding; concession, agreement.
Here's what I describe as false concedence:
Expressing that you concede a less consequential point, but only in an effort to show that you are willing to concede points. Your unspoken belief is that you do not concede that point. However if pressured, you are willing to forfeit that belief in order to maintain the perception had always conceded the point.
Is there a name for this sort of action? Technically a lie if unchallenged. But when challenged, the speaker may decide it's inconsequential and change their actions to make it the truth.
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asked May 23 at 23:13
MrMusAddictMrMusAddict
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concedence /kənˈsiːd(ə)ns/
noun
1) The action of conceding; concession, agreement.
Here's what I describe as false concedence:
Expressing that you concede a less consequential point, but only in an effort to show that you are willing to concede points. Your unspoken belief is that you do not concede that point. However if pressured, you are willing to forfeit that belief in order to maintain the perception had always conceded the point.
Is there a name for this sort of action? Technically a lie if unchallenged. But when challenged, the speaker may decide it's inconsequential and change their actions to make it the truth.
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almost white lie but not quite merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20lie
– Carly
May 23 at 23:22
I see nothing wrong with conceding something for the sake of an argument. It doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with the point—merely that you agree to no longer dispute it. There's a difference. I've heard I don't agree, but I'll concede the point (for now).
– Jason Bassford
May 23 at 23:32
@JasonBassford I guess I'm referring to the "agreement" definition of concede. As in saying "yeah you're right" but thinking "they're not actually right".
– MrMusAddict
May 23 at 23:35
If somebody says means yes, you're right when they use the word concede, but they don't actually believe the person is right, then they are being deceptive or dishonest—or they are lying (depending on how you look at it). But that doesn't really have anything to do with the word concede itself—because any synonymous word for that one sense of the word could be used.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 3:02
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almost white lie but not quite merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20lie
– Carly
May 23 at 23:22
I see nothing wrong with conceding something for the sake of an argument. It doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with the point—merely that you agree to no longer dispute it. There's a difference. I've heard I don't agree, but I'll concede the point (for now).
– Jason Bassford
May 23 at 23:32
@JasonBassford I guess I'm referring to the "agreement" definition of concede. As in saying "yeah you're right" but thinking "they're not actually right".
– MrMusAddict
May 23 at 23:35
If somebody says means yes, you're right when they use the word concede, but they don't actually believe the person is right, then they are being deceptive or dishonest—or they are lying (depending on how you look at it). But that doesn't really have anything to do with the word concede itself—because any synonymous word for that one sense of the word could be used.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 3:02
almost white lie but not quite merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20lie
– Carly
May 23 at 23:22
almost white lie but not quite merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20lie
– Carly
May 23 at 23:22
I see nothing wrong with conceding something for the sake of an argument. It doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with the point—merely that you agree to no longer dispute it. There's a difference. I've heard I don't agree, but I'll concede the point (for now).
– Jason Bassford
May 23 at 23:32
I see nothing wrong with conceding something for the sake of an argument. It doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with the point—merely that you agree to no longer dispute it. There's a difference. I've heard I don't agree, but I'll concede the point (for now).
– Jason Bassford
May 23 at 23:32
@JasonBassford I guess I'm referring to the "agreement" definition of concede. As in saying "yeah you're right" but thinking "they're not actually right".
– MrMusAddict
May 23 at 23:35
@JasonBassford I guess I'm referring to the "agreement" definition of concede. As in saying "yeah you're right" but thinking "they're not actually right".
– MrMusAddict
May 23 at 23:35
If somebody says means yes, you're right when they use the word concede, but they don't actually believe the person is right, then they are being deceptive or dishonest—or they are lying (depending on how you look at it). But that doesn't really have anything to do with the word concede itself—because any synonymous word for that one sense of the word could be used.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 3:02
If somebody says means yes, you're right when they use the word concede, but they don't actually believe the person is right, then they are being deceptive or dishonest—or they are lying (depending on how you look at it). But that doesn't really have anything to do with the word concede itself—because any synonymous word for that one sense of the word could be used.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 3:02
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The idiom agree to differ (disagree) may fit this question: TFD
Of two parties, to mutually accept that they simply do not (and will
not) share the same view on a particular issue, in the interest of
moving past the issue or avoiding further confrontation.
The OED cites this 1699 usage:
1699 R. Ferguson Just & Modest Vindic. Scots Design 202 If
we agree to differ in Religious Matters of less Importance, we might
thereupon possibly better accord.
answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
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Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
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Conceding (concession) might only mean you are ceasing to pursue the argument, as opposed to having been convinced. One might concede for tactical reasons, as you explained. Here's a way to express that:
face-saving solution
Example:
We met with the deputy superintendent. After two hours, we arrived at a face-saving solution: we would present a lease for an address in another school's catchment area. The district would transfer the student to the other school mid-year, omitting the usual proof of residence requirements. For our part, in exchange for a reprieve from the teacher bullying, and a fresh start in another school, we would not file a state complaint.
Explanation: the district did not have to admit any fault, and we wouldn't have to actually move. The administrator explicitly told us he didn't care where we did our laundry, or even where we slept at night.
Here is Cambridge's definition:
done so that other people will continue to respect you: a face-saving exercise/gesture
answered May 24 at 16:29
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The idiom agree to differ (disagree) may fit this question: TFD
Of two parties, to mutually accept that they simply do not (and will
not) share the same view on a particular issue, in the interest of
moving past the issue or avoiding further confrontation.
The OED cites this 1699 usage:
1699 R. Ferguson Just & Modest Vindic. Scots Design 202 If
we agree to differ in Religious Matters of less Importance, we might
thereupon possibly better accord.
answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
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Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
add a comment |
The idiom agree to differ (disagree) may fit this question: TFD
Of two parties, to mutually accept that they simply do not (and will
not) share the same view on a particular issue, in the interest of
moving past the issue or avoiding further confrontation.
The OED cites this 1699 usage:
1699 R. Ferguson Just & Modest Vindic. Scots Design 202 If
we agree to differ in Religious Matters of less Importance, we might
thereupon possibly better accord.
answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
25.7k2 gold badges30 silver badges82 bronze badges
Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
add a comment |
The idiom agree to differ (disagree) may fit this question: TFD
Of two parties, to mutually accept that they simply do not (and will
not) share the same view on a particular issue, in the interest of
moving past the issue or avoiding further confrontation.
The OED cites this 1699 usage:
1699 R. Ferguson Just & Modest Vindic. Scots Design 202 If
we agree to differ in Religious Matters of less Importance, we might
thereupon possibly better accord.
answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
25.7k2 gold badges30 silver badges82 bronze badges
The idiom agree to differ (disagree) may fit this question: TFD
Of two parties, to mutually accept that they simply do not (and will
not) share the same view on a particular issue, in the interest of
moving past the issue or avoiding further confrontation.
The OED cites this 1699 usage:
1699 R. Ferguson Just & Modest Vindic. Scots Design 202 If
we agree to differ in Religious Matters of less Importance, we might
thereupon possibly better accord.
answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
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answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
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answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
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answered May 24 at 0:19
lbflbf
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Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
add a comment |
Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
Not quite, I believe. In my scenario, both parties agree to agree, even though in truth one party does not. They do not end the subject saying they disagree - one party opts to say they agree, which would be a lie.
– MrMusAddict
May 24 at 1:08
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
+1 Yes, that's what I was getting at in my comment under the question. When you concede a point of an argument, that doesn't mean that you are agreeing with the point itself—simply that you are moving on.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 2:56
add a comment |
Conceding (concession) might only mean you are ceasing to pursue the argument, as opposed to having been convinced. One might concede for tactical reasons, as you explained. Here's a way to express that:
face-saving solution
Example:
We met with the deputy superintendent. After two hours, we arrived at a face-saving solution: we would present a lease for an address in another school's catchment area. The district would transfer the student to the other school mid-year, omitting the usual proof of residence requirements. For our part, in exchange for a reprieve from the teacher bullying, and a fresh start in another school, we would not file a state complaint.
Explanation: the district did not have to admit any fault, and we wouldn't have to actually move. The administrator explicitly told us he didn't care where we did our laundry, or even where we slept at night.
Here is Cambridge's definition:
done so that other people will continue to respect you: a face-saving exercise/gesture
answered May 24 at 16:29
aparente001aparente001
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add a comment |
Conceding (concession) might only mean you are ceasing to pursue the argument, as opposed to having been convinced. One might concede for tactical reasons, as you explained. Here's a way to express that:
face-saving solution
Example:
We met with the deputy superintendent. After two hours, we arrived at a face-saving solution: we would present a lease for an address in another school's catchment area. The district would transfer the student to the other school mid-year, omitting the usual proof of residence requirements. For our part, in exchange for a reprieve from the teacher bullying, and a fresh start in another school, we would not file a state complaint.
Explanation: the district did not have to admit any fault, and we wouldn't have to actually move. The administrator explicitly told us he didn't care where we did our laundry, or even where we slept at night.
Here is Cambridge's definition:
done so that other people will continue to respect you: a face-saving exercise/gesture
answered May 24 at 16:29
aparente001aparente001
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add a comment |
Conceding (concession) might only mean you are ceasing to pursue the argument, as opposed to having been convinced. One might concede for tactical reasons, as you explained. Here's a way to express that:
face-saving solution
Example:
We met with the deputy superintendent. After two hours, we arrived at a face-saving solution: we would present a lease for an address in another school's catchment area. The district would transfer the student to the other school mid-year, omitting the usual proof of residence requirements. For our part, in exchange for a reprieve from the teacher bullying, and a fresh start in another school, we would not file a state complaint.
Explanation: the district did not have to admit any fault, and we wouldn't have to actually move. The administrator explicitly told us he didn't care where we did our laundry, or even where we slept at night.
Here is Cambridge's definition:
done so that other people will continue to respect you: a face-saving exercise/gesture
answered May 24 at 16:29
aparente001aparente001
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Conceding (concession) might only mean you are ceasing to pursue the argument, as opposed to having been convinced. One might concede for tactical reasons, as you explained. Here's a way to express that:
face-saving solution
Example:
We met with the deputy superintendent. After two hours, we arrived at a face-saving solution: we would present a lease for an address in another school's catchment area. The district would transfer the student to the other school mid-year, omitting the usual proof of residence requirements. For our part, in exchange for a reprieve from the teacher bullying, and a fresh start in another school, we would not file a state complaint.
Explanation: the district did not have to admit any fault, and we wouldn't have to actually move. The administrator explicitly told us he didn't care where we did our laundry, or even where we slept at night.
Here is Cambridge's definition:
done so that other people will continue to respect you: a face-saving exercise/gesture
answered May 24 at 16:29
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almost white lie but not quite merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20lie
– Carly
May 23 at 23:22
I see nothing wrong with conceding something for the sake of an argument. It doesn't necessarily mean that you agree with the point—merely that you agree to no longer dispute it. There's a difference. I've heard I don't agree, but I'll concede the point (for now).
– Jason Bassford
May 23 at 23:32
@JasonBassford I guess I'm referring to the "agreement" definition of concede. As in saying "yeah you're right" but thinking "they're not actually right".
– MrMusAddict
May 23 at 23:35
If somebody says means yes, you're right when they use the word concede, but they don't actually believe the person is right, then they are being deceptive or dishonest—or they are lying (depending on how you look at it). But that doesn't really have anything to do with the word concede itself—because any synonymous word for that one sense of the word could be used.
– Jason Bassford
May 24 at 3:02