Does 'each other' function as singular or plural?
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Are either of the following sentences grammatically correct?
We know what each other are doing
and
We know what each other is doing
Neither of them sounds right to me, but surely one of them must be, depending on whether 'each other' functions as a singular or plural? Of course there are workarounds like "Each of us knows what the other is doing", but is it possible to keep the words "each other" together in such a sentence?
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Are either of the following sentences grammatically correct?
We know what each other are doing
and
We know what each other is doing
Neither of them sounds right to me, but surely one of them must be, depending on whether 'each other' functions as a singular or plural? Of course there are workarounds like "Each of us knows what the other is doing", but is it possible to keep the words "each other" together in such a sentence?
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Rand al'ThorRand al'Thor
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I agree that neither sounds right—which is exactly why neither is grammatical. Each other cannot function as the subject of a finite verb in my idiolect of English; I would have no other option than to rephrase to “We each know what the other is doing”. Note that this is also much closer to how the phrase each other originated to begin with (and how it’s still used in some other languages, like French).
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Sep 17 '15 at 23:08
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Each and other are both determined NPs, and they're singular. What you mean to say is Each of us knows what the other is doing. Putting them together is not necessary, though it is common. BTW, the term for each other is Reciprocal Pronoun; it's a sort of a generalization of Reflexive Pronoun, and it shows up with them sometimes (like Each man considers the other to be superior to himself).
– John Lawler
Sep 17 '15 at 23:54
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Are either of the following sentences grammatically correct?
We know what each other are doing
and
We know what each other is doing
Neither of them sounds right to me, but surely one of them must be, depending on whether 'each other' functions as a singular or plural? Of course there are workarounds like "Each of us knows what the other is doing", but is it possible to keep the words "each other" together in such a sentence?
grammatical-number verb-agreement
asked Sep 17 '15 at 21:05
Rand al'ThorRand al'Thor
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Are either of the following sentences grammatically correct?
We know what each other are doing
and
We know what each other is doing
Neither of them sounds right to me, but surely one of them must be, depending on whether 'each other' functions as a singular or plural? Of course there are workarounds like "Each of us knows what the other is doing", but is it possible to keep the words "each other" together in such a sentence?
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I agree that neither sounds right—which is exactly why neither is grammatical. Each other cannot function as the subject of a finite verb in my idiolect of English; I would have no other option than to rephrase to “We each know what the other is doing”. Note that this is also much closer to how the phrase each other originated to begin with (and how it’s still used in some other languages, like French).
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Sep 17 '15 at 23:08
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Each and other are both determined NPs, and they're singular. What you mean to say is Each of us knows what the other is doing. Putting them together is not necessary, though it is common. BTW, the term for each other is Reciprocal Pronoun; it's a sort of a generalization of Reflexive Pronoun, and it shows up with them sometimes (like Each man considers the other to be superior to himself).
– John Lawler
Sep 17 '15 at 23:54
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I agree that neither sounds right—which is exactly why neither is grammatical. Each other cannot function as the subject of a finite verb in my idiolect of English; I would have no other option than to rephrase to “We each know what the other is doing”. Note that this is also much closer to how the phrase each other originated to begin with (and how it’s still used in some other languages, like French).
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Sep 17 '15 at 23:08
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Each and other are both determined NPs, and they're singular. What you mean to say is Each of us knows what the other is doing. Putting them together is not necessary, though it is common. BTW, the term for each other is Reciprocal Pronoun; it's a sort of a generalization of Reflexive Pronoun, and it shows up with them sometimes (like Each man considers the other to be superior to himself).
– John Lawler
Sep 17 '15 at 23:54
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I agree that neither sounds right—which is exactly why neither is grammatical. Each other cannot function as the subject of a finite verb in my idiolect of English; I would have no other option than to rephrase to “We each know what the other is doing”. Note that this is also much closer to how the phrase each other originated to begin with (and how it’s still used in some other languages, like French).
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Sep 17 '15 at 23:08
I agree that neither sounds right—which is exactly why neither is grammatical. Each other cannot function as the subject of a finite verb in my idiolect of English; I would have no other option than to rephrase to “We each know what the other is doing”. Note that this is also much closer to how the phrase each other originated to begin with (and how it’s still used in some other languages, like French).
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Sep 17 '15 at 23:08
2
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Each and other are both determined NPs, and they're singular. What you mean to say is Each of us knows what the other is doing. Putting them together is not necessary, though it is common. BTW, the term for each other is Reciprocal Pronoun; it's a sort of a generalization of Reflexive Pronoun, and it shows up with them sometimes (like Each man considers the other to be superior to himself).
– John Lawler
Sep 17 '15 at 23:54
Each and other are both determined NPs, and they're singular. What you mean to say is Each of us knows what the other is doing. Putting them together is not necessary, though it is common. BTW, the term for each other is Reciprocal Pronoun; it's a sort of a generalization of Reflexive Pronoun, and it shows up with them sometimes (like Each man considers the other to be superior to himself).
– John Lawler
Sep 17 '15 at 23:54
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If you notice that each other, while idiomatic, is not unbreakable, it begins to come clear.
The reciprocal phrase each other can be separated into one determiner binding something in the subject (each, each one), and one determiner binding something in the object (other, the other), viz:
Each (one) of us knows what the other (one (of us)) is doing. (dual)
Each (one) of us knows what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
And some of these quantifiers may be floated to pre-verbal position:
We each know what the other (one) is doing. (dual)
We each know what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
From this it's easy to see how each and other hook up:
Each of us knows the other.- We each know the other.
- We know each other.
But that doesn't resolve the number problem that comes from having two determiners potentially conflicting. So both
- *We know what each other is doing.
and - *We know what each other are doing.
feel wrong.
Of course, there are other quantifiers that specify more precisely,
especially when they're separated, viz:
We both know what the other is doing. (dual)
We all know what the others are doing. (plural)
answered May 13 at 20:04
John LawlerJohn Lawler
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Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
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@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
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"Each other" refers to a singular subject, just like "one another" does. Notice "each" and "one" are singular; so are "other" (an other v. others) and "another" (which is like a contraction or compression of "an other").
Another way to think of it is: "we know what each other is doing" means "I know what he is doing and he knows what I am doing"...all singular.
answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
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Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
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We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
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No, neither needs to be correct because there is a problem of verb agreement. "We" means you and I (inclusively, anyway), so instead of "is doing", you'd need "are doing" for "you" and "am doing" for "I". There is no such problem with "They know what each other is doing" (which, however, still seems a bit odd).
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
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"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
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I would typically phrase something like this as, "We each know what the other is doing." Otherwise, your verb-subject agreement is off. "Is" is singular and we is plural. By adding "each," it becomes the subject associated with the verb. Like, "We each took a cookie from the jar."
Apologies for my typo... I had "know" rather than "is." My fault.
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
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Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
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It is not grammatically correct to use it like "each other have gotten _____" because this usually functions as a plural, as in "we would help each other out".
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If you notice that each other, while idiomatic, is not unbreakable, it begins to come clear.
The reciprocal phrase each other can be separated into one determiner binding something in the subject (each, each one), and one determiner binding something in the object (other, the other), viz:
Each (one) of us knows what the other (one (of us)) is doing. (dual)
Each (one) of us knows what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
And some of these quantifiers may be floated to pre-verbal position:
We each know what the other (one) is doing. (dual)
We each know what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
From this it's easy to see how each and other hook up:
Each of us knows the other.- We each know the other.
- We know each other.
But that doesn't resolve the number problem that comes from having two determiners potentially conflicting. So both
- *We know what each other is doing.
and - *We know what each other are doing.
feel wrong.
Of course, there are other quantifiers that specify more precisely,
especially when they're separated, viz:
We both know what the other is doing. (dual)
We all know what the others are doing. (plural)
answered May 13 at 20:04
John LawlerJohn Lawler
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Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
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@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
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If you notice that each other, while idiomatic, is not unbreakable, it begins to come clear.
The reciprocal phrase each other can be separated into one determiner binding something in the subject (each, each one), and one determiner binding something in the object (other, the other), viz:
Each (one) of us knows what the other (one (of us)) is doing. (dual)
Each (one) of us knows what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
And some of these quantifiers may be floated to pre-verbal position:
We each know what the other (one) is doing. (dual)
We each know what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
From this it's easy to see how each and other hook up:
Each of us knows the other.- We each know the other.
- We know each other.
But that doesn't resolve the number problem that comes from having two determiners potentially conflicting. So both
- *We know what each other is doing.
and - *We know what each other are doing.
feel wrong.
Of course, there are other quantifiers that specify more precisely,
especially when they're separated, viz:
We both know what the other is doing. (dual)
We all know what the others are doing. (plural)
answered May 13 at 20:04
John LawlerJohn Lawler
85.7k6119343
Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
1
@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
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If you notice that each other, while idiomatic, is not unbreakable, it begins to come clear.
The reciprocal phrase each other can be separated into one determiner binding something in the subject (each, each one), and one determiner binding something in the object (other, the other), viz:
Each (one) of us knows what the other (one (of us)) is doing. (dual)
Each (one) of us knows what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
And some of these quantifiers may be floated to pre-verbal position:
We each know what the other (one) is doing. (dual)
We each know what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
From this it's easy to see how each and other hook up:
Each of us knows the other.- We each know the other.
- We know each other.
But that doesn't resolve the number problem that comes from having two determiners potentially conflicting. So both
- *We know what each other is doing.
and - *We know what each other are doing.
feel wrong.
Of course, there are other quantifiers that specify more precisely,
especially when they're separated, viz:
We both know what the other is doing. (dual)
We all know what the others are doing. (plural)
answered May 13 at 20:04
John LawlerJohn Lawler
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If you notice that each other, while idiomatic, is not unbreakable, it begins to come clear.
The reciprocal phrase each other can be separated into one determiner binding something in the subject (each, each one), and one determiner binding something in the object (other, the other), viz:
Each (one) of us knows what the other (one (of us)) is doing. (dual)
Each (one) of us knows what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
And some of these quantifiers may be floated to pre-verbal position:
We each know what the other (one) is doing. (dual)
We each know what the others/other ones are doing. (plural)
From this it's easy to see how each and other hook up:
Each of us knows the other.- We each know the other.
- We know each other.
But that doesn't resolve the number problem that comes from having two determiners potentially conflicting. So both
- *We know what each other is doing.
and - *We know what each other are doing.
feel wrong.
Of course, there are other quantifiers that specify more precisely,
especially when they're separated, viz:
We both know what the other is doing. (dual)
We all know what the others are doing. (plural)
answered May 13 at 20:04
John LawlerJohn Lawler
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Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
1
@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
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Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
1
@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
Why doesn't the same problem arise with we know each other's schedule(s) then (or does it?)
– Minty
May 13 at 20:33
1
1
@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@Minty I suspect each other has been univerbated enough to be allowed to function as possessor, but the reciprocality of it makes it semantically impossible as subject. This is the same in other Germanic languages that have univerbated reciprocals: Da. hinanden, Sw. varann/varandra, etc., are happy to be possessors, but cannot be subjects. In fact, I don’t know of any language where a reciprocal can act as subject.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:15
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
@JanusBahsJacquet Yes, but why, if the basic problem is that the compound is trying to be singular and plural at the same time? Anyway, I'm not sure each other is trying to function as subject. I realise it's in subject position, but I think the each is still trying to reach back to the matrix subject. Its function is to specify that the members of a subject group are to be regarded as having distinct relationships with the verb, I think, which is why we can say we each ate our ice-cream even though more than one ice-cream got eaten.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:27
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
I think the problem with OP's sentences is that the each cannot get past the what so as to hook up with the matrix subject. The same would happen with that in we know that each other is reliable. I'm interested in the number conflict idea but at the moment it seems to me that the numbers don't conflict because one applies to the subject and one to the object.
– Minty
May 14 at 10:30
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
The point of saying that each member of the subject group has a distinct relationship with the verb is normally to highlight that they don't also have the same relationship (it is a several relationship only, not a joint and several relationship). That's why, in the Q that seems to have prompted this new answer about singular and plural, each hiker climbed a hill implies that the hikers were not together, meaning that there's no reason to assume it was the same hill (as in the Q in the survey).
– Minty
May 14 at 10:38
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"Each other" refers to a singular subject, just like "one another" does. Notice "each" and "one" are singular; so are "other" (an other v. others) and "another" (which is like a contraction or compression of "an other").
Another way to think of it is: "we know what each other is doing" means "I know what he is doing and he knows what I am doing"...all singular.
answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
1056
1
Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
1
We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
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"Each other" refers to a singular subject, just like "one another" does. Notice "each" and "one" are singular; so are "other" (an other v. others) and "another" (which is like a contraction or compression of "an other").
Another way to think of it is: "we know what each other is doing" means "I know what he is doing and he knows what I am doing"...all singular.
answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
1056
1
Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
1
We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
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2
2
2
"Each other" refers to a singular subject, just like "one another" does. Notice "each" and "one" are singular; so are "other" (an other v. others) and "another" (which is like a contraction or compression of "an other").
Another way to think of it is: "we know what each other is doing" means "I know what he is doing and he knows what I am doing"...all singular.
answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
1056
"Each other" refers to a singular subject, just like "one another" does. Notice "each" and "one" are singular; so are "other" (an other v. others) and "another" (which is like a contraction or compression of "an other").
Another way to think of it is: "we know what each other is doing" means "I know what he is doing and he knows what I am doing"...all singular.
answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
1056
edited Sep 17 '15 at 21:57
answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
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answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
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answered Sep 17 '15 at 21:22
JustineJustine
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1056
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Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
1
We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
add a comment |
1
Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
1
We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
1
1
Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
Great, thanks. Does this mean "we know what each other is doing" is grammatically correct?
– Rand al'Thor
Sep 17 '15 at 21:28
1
1
We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
We know what the other is doing would be correct.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 23:31
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
It may be grammatical to you, but it certainly is not to me, regardless of verb agreement. The first sentence in this answer is untrue in my English, because each other (and one another and all other possible reciprocals) does not refer to any kind of subject at all. Reciprocals simply cannot function as subjects. Sentences like these are embedded questions, but unembedding the question here yields, “What is/are each other doing?” – which I hope you agree is quite impossible.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
May 13 at 22:20
add a comment |
1
No, neither needs to be correct because there is a problem of verb agreement. "We" means you and I (inclusively, anyway), so instead of "is doing", you'd need "are doing" for "you" and "am doing" for "I". There is no such problem with "They know what each other is doing" (which, however, still seems a bit odd).
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
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1
No, neither needs to be correct because there is a problem of verb agreement. "We" means you and I (inclusively, anyway), so instead of "is doing", you'd need "are doing" for "you" and "am doing" for "I". There is no such problem with "They know what each other is doing" (which, however, still seems a bit odd).
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
add a comment |
1
1
1
No, neither needs to be correct because there is a problem of verb agreement. "We" means you and I (inclusively, anyway), so instead of "is doing", you'd need "are doing" for "you" and "am doing" for "I". There is no such problem with "They know what each other is doing" (which, however, still seems a bit odd).
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
No, neither needs to be correct because there is a problem of verb agreement. "We" means you and I (inclusively, anyway), so instead of "is doing", you'd need "are doing" for "you" and "am doing" for "I". There is no such problem with "They know what each other is doing" (which, however, still seems a bit odd).
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
answered Sep 17 '15 at 22:30
Greg LeeGreg Lee
15.2k21033
15.2k21033
"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
add a comment |
"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
"We know" is the independent clause. There is no problem of verb agreement. There would be a problem if it were written "we knows."
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:32
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
The sentence might be improved by writing: "we know what the other is doing"; nevertheless, "each other" is singular.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:36
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
@Justine, Whether there is a problem of verb agreement depends on the order of application of the verb agreement rule and the rule that introduces "each other". So you don't know that there is no problem.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 22:37
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
However I rephrase the sentence, each other takes "is"; "we" does not.
– Justine
Sep 17 '15 at 22:44
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
@Justine, If you begin with "I know what you are doing, and you know what I am doing", there is no apparent way to get to a version with "is doing". But if you begin with "He knows what she is doing, and she knows what he is doing" you can get to "... each other is doing" without the difficulty of rationalizing "are" and "am" somehow to get "is". That's the difference.
– Greg Lee
Sep 17 '15 at 23:14
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I would typically phrase something like this as, "We each know what the other is doing." Otherwise, your verb-subject agreement is off. "Is" is singular and we is plural. By adding "each," it becomes the subject associated with the verb. Like, "We each took a cookie from the jar."
Apologies for my typo... I had "know" rather than "is." My fault.
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
May 13 at 18:56
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0
I would typically phrase something like this as, "We each know what the other is doing." Otherwise, your verb-subject agreement is off. "Is" is singular and we is plural. By adding "each," it becomes the subject associated with the verb. Like, "We each took a cookie from the jar."
Apologies for my typo... I had "know" rather than "is." My fault.
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
May 13 at 18:56
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0
0
0
I would typically phrase something like this as, "We each know what the other is doing." Otherwise, your verb-subject agreement is off. "Is" is singular and we is plural. By adding "each," it becomes the subject associated with the verb. Like, "We each took a cookie from the jar."
Apologies for my typo... I had "know" rather than "is." My fault.
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
I would typically phrase something like this as, "We each know what the other is doing." Otherwise, your verb-subject agreement is off. "Is" is singular and we is plural. By adding "each," it becomes the subject associated with the verb. Like, "We each took a cookie from the jar."
Apologies for my typo... I had "know" rather than "is." My fault.
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
edited May 13 at 18:56
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
answered May 13 at 17:59
MissAJFMissAJF
723
723
Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
May 13 at 18:56
add a comment |
Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
May 13 at 18:56
Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Actually, "know" is plural (they know) and "knows" is singular (he knows).
– Davo
May 13 at 18:53
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
May 13 at 18:56
Thank you for pointing out my typo. My fingers took off without my brain.
– MissAJF
May 13 at 18:56
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It is not grammatically correct to use it like "each other have gotten _____" because this usually functions as a plural, as in "we would help each other out".
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It is not grammatically correct to use it like "each other have gotten _____" because this usually functions as a plural, as in "we would help each other out".
edited May 13 at 17:20
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answered May 13 at 16:10
YeeterYeeter
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Hi Yeeter, welcome to EL&U. Note that this site is a bit different from other Q&A sites: unlike on a discussion forum, an answer here is expected to be authoritative, detailed, and explain why it is correct - preferably citing a published reference (hyperlinked to the source) as evidence to support your answer. You can edit your post to add this detail; for further guidance, see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour :-)
– Chappo
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– Chenmunka
May 24 at 13:49
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It is not grammatically correct to use it like "each other have gotten _____" because this usually functions as a plural, as in "we would help each other out".
edited May 13 at 17:20
Davo
5,56221742
answered May 13 at 16:10
YeeterYeeter
1
It is not grammatically correct to use it like "each other have gotten _____" because this usually functions as a plural, as in "we would help each other out".
edited May 13 at 17:20
Davo
5,56221742
answered May 13 at 16:10
YeeterYeeter
1
edited May 13 at 17:20
Davo
5,56221742
edited May 13 at 17:20
Davo
5,56221742
edited May 13 at 17:20
Davo
5,56221742
5,56221742
answered May 13 at 16:10
YeeterYeeter
1
answered May 13 at 16:10
YeeterYeeter
1
answered May 13 at 16:10
YeeterYeeter
1
1
Hi Yeeter, welcome to EL&U. Note that this site is a bit different from other Q&A sites: unlike on a discussion forum, an answer here is expected to be authoritative, detailed, and explain why it is correct - preferably citing a published reference (hyperlinked to the source) as evidence to support your answer. You can edit your post to add this detail; for further guidance, see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour :-)
– Chappo
May 13 at 23:40
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– Chenmunka
May 24 at 13:49
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Hi Yeeter, welcome to EL&U. Note that this site is a bit different from other Q&A sites: unlike on a discussion forum, an answer here is expected to be authoritative, detailed, and explain why it is correct - preferably citing a published reference (hyperlinked to the source) as evidence to support your answer. You can edit your post to add this detail; for further guidance, see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour :-)
– Chappo
May 13 at 23:40
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
– Chenmunka
May 24 at 13:49
Hi Yeeter, welcome to EL&U. Note that this site is a bit different from other Q&A sites: unlike on a discussion forum, an answer here is expected to be authoritative, detailed, and explain why it is correct - preferably citing a published reference (hyperlinked to the source) as evidence to support your answer. You can edit your post to add this detail; for further guidance, see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour :-)
– Chappo
May 13 at 23:40
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– Chappo
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– Chenmunka
May 24 at 13:49
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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I agree that neither sounds right—which is exactly why neither is grammatical. Each other cannot function as the subject of a finite verb in my idiolect of English; I would have no other option than to rephrase to “We each know what the other is doing”. Note that this is also much closer to how the phrase each other originated to begin with (and how it’s still used in some other languages, like French).
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
Sep 17 '15 at 23:08
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Each and other are both determined NPs, and they're singular. What you mean to say is Each of us knows what the other is doing. Putting them together is not necessary, though it is common. BTW, the term for each other is Reciprocal Pronoun; it's a sort of a generalization of Reflexive Pronoun, and it shows up with them sometimes (like Each man considers the other to be superior to himself).
– John Lawler
Sep 17 '15 at 23:54