Why doesn't Iron Man's action affect this person in Endgame?
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty{ margin-bottom:0;
}
At the end of Avengers: Endgame Iron Man
snapped his fingers with the Infinity Stones to erase all of the villains.
As Tony does not know
who Gamora is.
How can she survive this as she was coming with Thanos and was considered as a bad girl in the beginning of the battle?
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe iron-man avengers-endgame
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
add a comment |
At the end of Avengers: Endgame Iron Man
snapped his fingers with the Infinity Stones to erase all of the villains.
As Tony does not know
who Gamora is.
How can she survive this as she was coming with Thanos and was considered as a bad girl in the beginning of the battle?
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe iron-man avengers-endgame
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
13
Gamora was never seen after Tony's snap so I am not sure where you are getting this from
– Huangism
May 13 at 15:32
83
So in other words, you’re asking “Why is Gamora?”
– rickster
May 13 at 19:27
4
Remember that the only reason they never got the Gauntlet off on Titan was due to Quill sorting out his relationship problems with Thanos. Tony could recall her name being mentioned then.
– MichaelF
May 14 at 0:42
4
The real question is why he didn't say "wipe out Thanos' forces, and save me so my daughter can have her dad"...but let's not bring THAT up :D.
– msouth
May 15 at 5:06
As Tony had Soul Stone, the basic assumption of your question is wrong. Tony could easily look into the soul of Gamora to know that she was in his side.
– I Love You 3000
May 15 at 14:51
add a comment |
At the end of Avengers: Endgame Iron Man
snapped his fingers with the Infinity Stones to erase all of the villains.
As Tony does not know
who Gamora is.
How can she survive this as she was coming with Thanos and was considered as a bad girl in the beginning of the battle?
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe iron-man avengers-endgame
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
At the end of Avengers: Endgame Iron Man
snapped his fingers with the Infinity Stones to erase all of the villains.
As Tony does not know
who Gamora is.
How can she survive this as she was coming with Thanos and was considered as a bad girl in the beginning of the battle?
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe iron-man avengers-endgame
marvel marvel-cinematic-universe iron-man avengers-endgame
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
edited May 13 at 12:27
TheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
60.6k26397445
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
asked May 13 at 12:22
TinyDoowyTinyDoowy
368137
368137
13
Gamora was never seen after Tony's snap so I am not sure where you are getting this from
– Huangism
May 13 at 15:32
83
So in other words, you’re asking “Why is Gamora?”
– rickster
May 13 at 19:27
4
Remember that the only reason they never got the Gauntlet off on Titan was due to Quill sorting out his relationship problems with Thanos. Tony could recall her name being mentioned then.
– MichaelF
May 14 at 0:42
4
The real question is why he didn't say "wipe out Thanos' forces, and save me so my daughter can have her dad"...but let's not bring THAT up :D.
– msouth
May 15 at 5:06
As Tony had Soul Stone, the basic assumption of your question is wrong. Tony could easily look into the soul of Gamora to know that she was in his side.
– I Love You 3000
May 15 at 14:51
add a comment |
13
Gamora was never seen after Tony's snap so I am not sure where you are getting this from
– Huangism
May 13 at 15:32
83
So in other words, you’re asking “Why is Gamora?”
– rickster
May 13 at 19:27
4
Remember that the only reason they never got the Gauntlet off on Titan was due to Quill sorting out his relationship problems with Thanos. Tony could recall her name being mentioned then.
– MichaelF
May 14 at 0:42
4
The real question is why he didn't say "wipe out Thanos' forces, and save me so my daughter can have her dad"...but let's not bring THAT up :D.
– msouth
May 15 at 5:06
As Tony had Soul Stone, the basic assumption of your question is wrong. Tony could easily look into the soul of Gamora to know that she was in his side.
– I Love You 3000
May 15 at 14:51
13
13
Gamora was never seen after Tony's snap so I am not sure where you are getting this from
– Huangism
May 13 at 15:32
Gamora was never seen after Tony's snap so I am not sure where you are getting this from
– Huangism
May 13 at 15:32
83
83
So in other words, you’re asking “Why is Gamora?”
– rickster
May 13 at 19:27
So in other words, you’re asking “Why is Gamora?”
– rickster
May 13 at 19:27
4
4
Remember that the only reason they never got the Gauntlet off on Titan was due to Quill sorting out his relationship problems with Thanos. Tony could recall her name being mentioned then.
– MichaelF
May 14 at 0:42
Remember that the only reason they never got the Gauntlet off on Titan was due to Quill sorting out his relationship problems with Thanos. Tony could recall her name being mentioned then.
– MichaelF
May 14 at 0:42
4
4
The real question is why he didn't say "wipe out Thanos' forces, and save me so my daughter can have her dad"...but let's not bring THAT up :D.
– msouth
May 15 at 5:06
The real question is why he didn't say "wipe out Thanos' forces, and save me so my daughter can have her dad"...but let's not bring THAT up :D.
– msouth
May 15 at 5:06
As Tony had Soul Stone, the basic assumption of your question is wrong. Tony could easily look into the soul of Gamora to know that she was in his side.
– I Love You 3000
May 15 at 14:51
As Tony had Soul Stone, the basic assumption of your question is wrong. Tony could easily look into the soul of Gamora to know that she was in his side.
– I Love You 3000
May 15 at 14:51
add a comment |
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
How do you know his actions didn't affect her?
Last we see of Gamora is during the battle where she has a little spat with Quill, after that we don't see her. For all we know she does actually survive the battle and Tony's snap.
Tony might have excluded her anyway
Gamora was seen fighting for the good guys on the field in the battle and Tony at least knows her name because Quill mentioned her multiple times in front of him. It stands to reason that in the off screen time on Titan in Avengers: Infinity War he may have described her more to see if they had seen her. As such he may have excluded her.
Tony might not have seen her
And if the previous point doesn't float your boat Tony might not have seen her in the battle anyway and as such might have excluded her on the grounds of not knowing she was there to be snapped.
The Stones may have decided
As Paul D. Waite mentions in a comment Tony may have just decided to wipe out Thanos' forces and the Stones/Gauntlet themselves may have decided what constitutes someone working for Thanos. As Gamora had switched sides at this point it may have left her alone.
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
54
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
61
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
12
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
12
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
54
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
|
show 5 more comments
What's Tony got to do with anything?
Neither did Thanos know half the people in the Universe. In both Infinity War and Endgame it's implied that the stones are displaying some level of sentience in carrying out complex implementations of simple directives ("Kill half of everybody," "Kill all the bad guys") and that their awareness of the current state of reality includes who's naughty and who's nice - and, as such, would be aware that Gamora switched sides 7 scenes ago.
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
2
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
5
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
2
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
add a comment |
The Snapper decides who lived and who dusts out of existence as mentioned in the answer here.
Tony couldn't risk killing innocent people in the process. So, this is what his actions could have actually meant: "Anyone who's allegiance is towards Thanos should be dusted".
Since the past Gamora changed her sides and joined the present-day Nebula, her allegiance towards Thanos ended. This could be the reason why she survived the snap (considering she did survive the snap).
And it's left to the stones (maybe the Soul Stone or Mind Stone) to identify if she really parted ways from Thanos.
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
add a comment |
Tony Stark spent a lot of time with Nebula. She might have told him about Gamora. So he definitely knew about her.
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
3
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
1
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
add a comment |
Gamora was never with Thanos, she was always setting herself up as a control rod to kill him if he ever got close to reaching his ultimate goal. Since she would remain close enough to kill him if she pretended to be loyal she did not have another, better choice to stopping him. Consider her origin the Mad Titan wiped out her mother and half her world then took her. She was playing a very long game to get her personal justice and along the way she was being made stronger and understanding more about his ultimate goal and trying to find a way that she would stop him, she herself. During her personal journey she had to keep closest to him and within his innermost circle of trust which meant completing with Nebula with Zero chance of compassion, as that could jeopardize her mission. Consider meeting up with the Guardian's and taking one or more of the stones out of play the first real chance she had to break out of a lifetime undercover as an evil 'daughter' and show her true self. I'm just amazed Thanos did not realize this at some point, at least enough to know how deep down he failed and thus disqualify the love he thought he had for her, and then regain that love with the respect she maintained for her true purpose - to Kill Thanos/Stop his Infinity Stones quest. I think there was a missed repartee just before he sacrificed her for the soulstone. She could tell him how she really felt, he would get angryish and sad she could then say this disqualified her as a sacrifice, then he would make peace with what he made her and respect her will and love her for it , maybe even more.
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "186"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fscifi.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f212332%2fwhy-doesnt-iron-mans-action-affect-this-person-in-endgame%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
How do you know his actions didn't affect her?
Last we see of Gamora is during the battle where she has a little spat with Quill, after that we don't see her. For all we know she does actually survive the battle and Tony's snap.
Tony might have excluded her anyway
Gamora was seen fighting for the good guys on the field in the battle and Tony at least knows her name because Quill mentioned her multiple times in front of him. It stands to reason that in the off screen time on Titan in Avengers: Infinity War he may have described her more to see if they had seen her. As such he may have excluded her.
Tony might not have seen her
And if the previous point doesn't float your boat Tony might not have seen her in the battle anyway and as such might have excluded her on the grounds of not knowing she was there to be snapped.
The Stones may have decided
As Paul D. Waite mentions in a comment Tony may have just decided to wipe out Thanos' forces and the Stones/Gauntlet themselves may have decided what constitutes someone working for Thanos. As Gamora had switched sides at this point it may have left her alone.
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
54
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
61
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
12
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
12
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
54
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
|
show 5 more comments
How do you know his actions didn't affect her?
Last we see of Gamora is during the battle where she has a little spat with Quill, after that we don't see her. For all we know she does actually survive the battle and Tony's snap.
Tony might have excluded her anyway
Gamora was seen fighting for the good guys on the field in the battle and Tony at least knows her name because Quill mentioned her multiple times in front of him. It stands to reason that in the off screen time on Titan in Avengers: Infinity War he may have described her more to see if they had seen her. As such he may have excluded her.
Tony might not have seen her
And if the previous point doesn't float your boat Tony might not have seen her in the battle anyway and as such might have excluded her on the grounds of not knowing she was there to be snapped.
The Stones may have decided
As Paul D. Waite mentions in a comment Tony may have just decided to wipe out Thanos' forces and the Stones/Gauntlet themselves may have decided what constitutes someone working for Thanos. As Gamora had switched sides at this point it may have left her alone.
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
54
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
61
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
12
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
12
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
54
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
|
show 5 more comments
How do you know his actions didn't affect her?
Last we see of Gamora is during the battle where she has a little spat with Quill, after that we don't see her. For all we know she does actually survive the battle and Tony's snap.
Tony might have excluded her anyway
Gamora was seen fighting for the good guys on the field in the battle and Tony at least knows her name because Quill mentioned her multiple times in front of him. It stands to reason that in the off screen time on Titan in Avengers: Infinity War he may have described her more to see if they had seen her. As such he may have excluded her.
Tony might not have seen her
And if the previous point doesn't float your boat Tony might not have seen her in the battle anyway and as such might have excluded her on the grounds of not knowing she was there to be snapped.
The Stones may have decided
As Paul D. Waite mentions in a comment Tony may have just decided to wipe out Thanos' forces and the Stones/Gauntlet themselves may have decided what constitutes someone working for Thanos. As Gamora had switched sides at this point it may have left her alone.
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
How do you know his actions didn't affect her?
Last we see of Gamora is during the battle where she has a little spat with Quill, after that we don't see her. For all we know she does actually survive the battle and Tony's snap.
Tony might have excluded her anyway
Gamora was seen fighting for the good guys on the field in the battle and Tony at least knows her name because Quill mentioned her multiple times in front of him. It stands to reason that in the off screen time on Titan in Avengers: Infinity War he may have described her more to see if they had seen her. As such he may have excluded her.
Tony might not have seen her
And if the previous point doesn't float your boat Tony might not have seen her in the battle anyway and as such might have excluded her on the grounds of not knowing she was there to be snapped.
The Stones may have decided
As Paul D. Waite mentions in a comment Tony may have just decided to wipe out Thanos' forces and the Stones/Gauntlet themselves may have decided what constitutes someone working for Thanos. As Gamora had switched sides at this point it may have left her alone.
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
edited May 13 at 12:40
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
answered May 13 at 12:30
TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
60.6k26397445
60.6k26397445
54
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
61
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
12
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
12
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
54
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
|
show 5 more comments
54
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
61
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
12
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
12
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
54
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
54
54
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
Plus we don’t really know how Infinity Gauntlet actions work. Tony might have just said to the gauntlet hey, dissolve Thanos’s forces, okay? And the gauntlet itself might have determined that Gamora was no longer on Thanos’s side.
– Paul D. Waite
May 13 at 12:38
61
61
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
I do like the "Stones may have decided" best. It's unlikely that Tony somehow individually identified every entity to get dusted.
– Daniel R. Collins
May 13 at 14:01
12
12
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
The soul stone does seem to have a certain... wisdom.
– Joe Bloggs
May 13 at 14:18
12
12
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
He's definitely heard her name before. "I'll do you one better: WHY is Gamora?"
– snetch
May 13 at 17:19
54
54
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
He also spent 21 days playing "flick football" with Gamora's sister, so the very few people in the galaxy she ever cared about may have come up as a conversation topic at some point.
– Jesse Amano
May 13 at 23:37
|
show 5 more comments
What's Tony got to do with anything?
Neither did Thanos know half the people in the Universe. In both Infinity War and Endgame it's implied that the stones are displaying some level of sentience in carrying out complex implementations of simple directives ("Kill half of everybody," "Kill all the bad guys") and that their awareness of the current state of reality includes who's naughty and who's nice - and, as such, would be aware that Gamora switched sides 7 scenes ago.
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
2
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
5
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
2
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
add a comment |
What's Tony got to do with anything?
Neither did Thanos know half the people in the Universe. In both Infinity War and Endgame it's implied that the stones are displaying some level of sentience in carrying out complex implementations of simple directives ("Kill half of everybody," "Kill all the bad guys") and that their awareness of the current state of reality includes who's naughty and who's nice - and, as such, would be aware that Gamora switched sides 7 scenes ago.
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
2
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
5
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
2
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
add a comment |
What's Tony got to do with anything?
Neither did Thanos know half the people in the Universe. In both Infinity War and Endgame it's implied that the stones are displaying some level of sentience in carrying out complex implementations of simple directives ("Kill half of everybody," "Kill all the bad guys") and that their awareness of the current state of reality includes who's naughty and who's nice - and, as such, would be aware that Gamora switched sides 7 scenes ago.
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
What's Tony got to do with anything?
Neither did Thanos know half the people in the Universe. In both Infinity War and Endgame it's implied that the stones are displaying some level of sentience in carrying out complex implementations of simple directives ("Kill half of everybody," "Kill all the bad guys") and that their awareness of the current state of reality includes who's naughty and who's nice - and, as such, would be aware that Gamora switched sides 7 scenes ago.
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
answered May 13 at 12:36
gowenfawrgowenfawr
18.8k65478
18.8k65478
2
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
5
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
2
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
add a comment |
2
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
5
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
2
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
2
2
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
I like this answer, though displaying some selectivity doesn't necessarily imply sentience. Databases are not sentient, but given a detailed database to work with the queries to handle the selection for any of the three "snaps" would be fairly simple.
– TimothyAWiseman
May 13 at 19:02
5
5
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
@TimothyAWiseman I don't disagree, and perhaps "sentience" is the wrong word, but it seems the Stones are capable of discerning circumstances of reality around them without having a DBA import new table data. The Soul Stone and it's ability to perceive sacrifice and internalize the data of those that are sacrificed is the most drastic example, and perhaps the way the Reality Stone acts through Jane Foster after possessing her.
– gowenfawr
May 14 at 1:26
2
2
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Of course, if Tony's command was "dust everyone who doesn't belong in this time" then Gamora's gone. If it was "dust Thanos and his forces", then she's fine.
– Chronocidal
May 14 at 13:46
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
Btw this is how it works in the comics. The owner of the stones gets "cosmic awareness" and therefore could decide for each being individually. Also Hulk mentions he "tried everything" to get Natasha back, while we only see a finger snap.
– Chris
May 16 at 5:47
add a comment |
The Snapper decides who lived and who dusts out of existence as mentioned in the answer here.
Tony couldn't risk killing innocent people in the process. So, this is what his actions could have actually meant: "Anyone who's allegiance is towards Thanos should be dusted".
Since the past Gamora changed her sides and joined the present-day Nebula, her allegiance towards Thanos ended. This could be the reason why she survived the snap (considering she did survive the snap).
And it's left to the stones (maybe the Soul Stone or Mind Stone) to identify if she really parted ways from Thanos.
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
add a comment |
The Snapper decides who lived and who dusts out of existence as mentioned in the answer here.
Tony couldn't risk killing innocent people in the process. So, this is what his actions could have actually meant: "Anyone who's allegiance is towards Thanos should be dusted".
Since the past Gamora changed her sides and joined the present-day Nebula, her allegiance towards Thanos ended. This could be the reason why she survived the snap (considering she did survive the snap).
And it's left to the stones (maybe the Soul Stone or Mind Stone) to identify if she really parted ways from Thanos.
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
add a comment |
The Snapper decides who lived and who dusts out of existence as mentioned in the answer here.
Tony couldn't risk killing innocent people in the process. So, this is what his actions could have actually meant: "Anyone who's allegiance is towards Thanos should be dusted".
Since the past Gamora changed her sides and joined the present-day Nebula, her allegiance towards Thanos ended. This could be the reason why she survived the snap (considering she did survive the snap).
And it's left to the stones (maybe the Soul Stone or Mind Stone) to identify if she really parted ways from Thanos.
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
The Snapper decides who lived and who dusts out of existence as mentioned in the answer here.
Tony couldn't risk killing innocent people in the process. So, this is what his actions could have actually meant: "Anyone who's allegiance is towards Thanos should be dusted".
Since the past Gamora changed her sides and joined the present-day Nebula, her allegiance towards Thanos ended. This could be the reason why she survived the snap (considering she did survive the snap).
And it's left to the stones (maybe the Soul Stone or Mind Stone) to identify if she really parted ways from Thanos.
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
answered May 13 at 12:53
ShreedharShreedhar
8,37834098
8,37834098
add a comment |
add a comment |
Tony Stark spent a lot of time with Nebula. She might have told him about Gamora. So he definitely knew about her.
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
3
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
1
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
add a comment |
Tony Stark spent a lot of time with Nebula. She might have told him about Gamora. So he definitely knew about her.
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
3
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
1
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
add a comment |
Tony Stark spent a lot of time with Nebula. She might have told him about Gamora. So he definitely knew about her.
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
Tony Stark spent a lot of time with Nebula. She might have told him about Gamora. So he definitely knew about her.
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
answered May 13 at 20:12
Sanath Kumar MSanath Kumar M
891
891
3
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
1
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
add a comment |
3
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
1
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
3
3
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
Hi, welcome to SF&F! This answer is a bit terse, and is mostly covered by existing answers (although they primarily suggest Quill as the one most like to tell Tony about Gamora). To make this a good answer you should point to some evidence in the movies where Tony is explicitly made aware of Gamora and that she is on their side. Please read How to Answer for more pointers on writing a good answer.
– DavidW
May 13 at 20:43
1
1
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
@DavidW Thanks for that. I brought my partial reddit experience here. I'll keep that in mind. :)
– Sanath Kumar M
May 14 at 16:42
add a comment |
Gamora was never with Thanos, she was always setting herself up as a control rod to kill him if he ever got close to reaching his ultimate goal. Since she would remain close enough to kill him if she pretended to be loyal she did not have another, better choice to stopping him. Consider her origin the Mad Titan wiped out her mother and half her world then took her. She was playing a very long game to get her personal justice and along the way she was being made stronger and understanding more about his ultimate goal and trying to find a way that she would stop him, she herself. During her personal journey she had to keep closest to him and within his innermost circle of trust which meant completing with Nebula with Zero chance of compassion, as that could jeopardize her mission. Consider meeting up with the Guardian's and taking one or more of the stones out of play the first real chance she had to break out of a lifetime undercover as an evil 'daughter' and show her true self. I'm just amazed Thanos did not realize this at some point, at least enough to know how deep down he failed and thus disqualify the love he thought he had for her, and then regain that love with the respect she maintained for her true purpose - to Kill Thanos/Stop his Infinity Stones quest. I think there was a missed repartee just before he sacrificed her for the soulstone. She could tell him how she really felt, he would get angryish and sad she could then say this disqualified her as a sacrifice, then he would make peace with what he made her and respect her will and love her for it , maybe even more.
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
add a comment |
Gamora was never with Thanos, she was always setting herself up as a control rod to kill him if he ever got close to reaching his ultimate goal. Since she would remain close enough to kill him if she pretended to be loyal she did not have another, better choice to stopping him. Consider her origin the Mad Titan wiped out her mother and half her world then took her. She was playing a very long game to get her personal justice and along the way she was being made stronger and understanding more about his ultimate goal and trying to find a way that she would stop him, she herself. During her personal journey she had to keep closest to him and within his innermost circle of trust which meant completing with Nebula with Zero chance of compassion, as that could jeopardize her mission. Consider meeting up with the Guardian's and taking one or more of the stones out of play the first real chance she had to break out of a lifetime undercover as an evil 'daughter' and show her true self. I'm just amazed Thanos did not realize this at some point, at least enough to know how deep down he failed and thus disqualify the love he thought he had for her, and then regain that love with the respect she maintained for her true purpose - to Kill Thanos/Stop his Infinity Stones quest. I think there was a missed repartee just before he sacrificed her for the soulstone. She could tell him how she really felt, he would get angryish and sad she could then say this disqualified her as a sacrifice, then he would make peace with what he made her and respect her will and love her for it , maybe even more.
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
add a comment |
Gamora was never with Thanos, she was always setting herself up as a control rod to kill him if he ever got close to reaching his ultimate goal. Since she would remain close enough to kill him if she pretended to be loyal she did not have another, better choice to stopping him. Consider her origin the Mad Titan wiped out her mother and half her world then took her. She was playing a very long game to get her personal justice and along the way she was being made stronger and understanding more about his ultimate goal and trying to find a way that she would stop him, she herself. During her personal journey she had to keep closest to him and within his innermost circle of trust which meant completing with Nebula with Zero chance of compassion, as that could jeopardize her mission. Consider meeting up with the Guardian's and taking one or more of the stones out of play the first real chance she had to break out of a lifetime undercover as an evil 'daughter' and show her true self. I'm just amazed Thanos did not realize this at some point, at least enough to know how deep down he failed and thus disqualify the love he thought he had for her, and then regain that love with the respect she maintained for her true purpose - to Kill Thanos/Stop his Infinity Stones quest. I think there was a missed repartee just before he sacrificed her for the soulstone. She could tell him how she really felt, he would get angryish and sad she could then say this disqualified her as a sacrifice, then he would make peace with what he made her and respect her will and love her for it , maybe even more.
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
Gamora was never with Thanos, she was always setting herself up as a control rod to kill him if he ever got close to reaching his ultimate goal. Since she would remain close enough to kill him if she pretended to be loyal she did not have another, better choice to stopping him. Consider her origin the Mad Titan wiped out her mother and half her world then took her. She was playing a very long game to get her personal justice and along the way she was being made stronger and understanding more about his ultimate goal and trying to find a way that she would stop him, she herself. During her personal journey she had to keep closest to him and within his innermost circle of trust which meant completing with Nebula with Zero chance of compassion, as that could jeopardize her mission. Consider meeting up with the Guardian's and taking one or more of the stones out of play the first real chance she had to break out of a lifetime undercover as an evil 'daughter' and show her true self. I'm just amazed Thanos did not realize this at some point, at least enough to know how deep down he failed and thus disqualify the love he thought he had for her, and then regain that love with the respect she maintained for her true purpose - to Kill Thanos/Stop his Infinity Stones quest. I think there was a missed repartee just before he sacrificed her for the soulstone. She could tell him how she really felt, he would get angryish and sad she could then say this disqualified her as a sacrifice, then he would make peace with what he made her and respect her will and love her for it , maybe even more.
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
answered May 15 at 14:16
BanthapodooBanthapodoo
111
111
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
add a comment |
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
"For a time... you had that same will... as you fought by my side. Daughter." She was with Thanos for a time. And if you take Endgame in to account she only really leaves Thanos' side just before GotG.
– TheLethalCarrot
May 15 at 14:29
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fscifi.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f212332%2fwhy-doesnt-iron-mans-action-affect-this-person-in-endgame%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
13
Gamora was never seen after Tony's snap so I am not sure where you are getting this from
– Huangism
May 13 at 15:32
83
So in other words, you’re asking “Why is Gamora?”
– rickster
May 13 at 19:27
4
Remember that the only reason they never got the Gauntlet off on Titan was due to Quill sorting out his relationship problems with Thanos. Tony could recall her name being mentioned then.
– MichaelF
May 14 at 0:42
4
The real question is why he didn't say "wipe out Thanos' forces, and save me so my daughter can have her dad"...but let's not bring THAT up :D.
– msouth
May 15 at 5:06
As Tony had Soul Stone, the basic assumption of your question is wrong. Tony could easily look into the soul of Gamora to know that she was in his side.
– I Love You 3000
May 15 at 14:51