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How do I refer to an attribute of the first thing in said list?




  • "The first-of-these's attribute"

  • "The first's attribute"


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    Is there some reason you've discarded the first attribute or the first one’s attribute?

    – tchrist♦
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  • Just use the name of the first list item again rather than jump through hoops to avoid it. Or use its position: item number one’s attribute.

    – Jim
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  • There is no such word as "these's".

    – TrevorD
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Say a list of things has already been mentioned.



How do I refer to an attribute of the first thing in said list?




  • "The first-of-these's attribute"

  • "The first's attribute"


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    Is there some reason you've discarded the first attribute or the first one’s attribute?

    – tchrist♦
    yesterday











  • Just use the name of the first list item again rather than jump through hoops to avoid it. Or use its position: item number one’s attribute.

    – Jim
    3 hours ago











  • There is no such word as "these's".

    – TrevorD
    3 hours ago














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Say a list of things has already been mentioned.



How do I refer to an attribute of the first thing in said list?




  • "The first-of-these's attribute"

  • "The first's attribute"


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Say a list of things has already been mentioned.



How do I refer to an attribute of the first thing in said list?




  • "The first-of-these's attribute"

  • "The first's attribute"


edit: thanks for the unexplained downvotes, really helpful(!)







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    Is there some reason you've discarded the first attribute or the first one’s attribute?

    – tchrist♦
    yesterday











  • Just use the name of the first list item again rather than jump through hoops to avoid it. Or use its position: item number one’s attribute.

    – Jim
    3 hours ago











  • There is no such word as "these's".

    – TrevorD
    3 hours ago














  • 3





    Is there some reason you've discarded the first attribute or the first one’s attribute?

    – tchrist♦
    yesterday











  • Just use the name of the first list item again rather than jump through hoops to avoid it. Or use its position: item number one’s attribute.

    – Jim
    3 hours ago











  • There is no such word as "these's".

    – TrevorD
    3 hours ago








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Is there some reason you've discarded the first attribute or the first one’s attribute?

– tchrist♦
yesterday





Is there some reason you've discarded the first attribute or the first one’s attribute?

– tchrist♦
yesterday













Just use the name of the first list item again rather than jump through hoops to avoid it. Or use its position: item number one’s attribute.

– Jim
3 hours ago





Just use the name of the first list item again rather than jump through hoops to avoid it. Or use its position: item number one’s attribute.

– Jim
3 hours ago













There is no such word as "these's".

– TrevorD
3 hours ago





There is no such word as "these's".

– TrevorD
3 hours ago










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You are describing an attribute of the listed item. It's position in the list is secondary to the attribute.



"The/An attribute of the first of those listed."
or
"The [attribute name] of the first of these."



If they are distinct things in the list then the attribute's position will be clear.
"Of the bird, the mule and the horse the color of the wings is the most important."






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    This seems to be a pertinent question as I haven't seen this discussed in any grammar or on this site.



    When the noun phrase ends with a noun we are quite happy to put an 's on the end. This is often described in grammars as the "King of Spain's daughter" or some similar phrase and is discussed on SE here. However, since the 's can only be added to a noun, we struggle when the phrase ends in a word that cannot be a noun:




    the first of these's

    the last there was's




    I said "cannot be a noun" not "is not a noun" because it is is OK to use a word that can be a noun, even if it is not a noun in the context




    Henry the Eighth's




    You just have to find another way to say it




    the first's attribute

    of these, the first's attribute

    the attribute of the first of these







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      You are describing an attribute of the listed item. It's position in the list is secondary to the attribute.



      "The/An attribute of the first of those listed."
      or
      "The [attribute name] of the first of these."



      If they are distinct things in the list then the attribute's position will be clear.
      "Of the bird, the mule and the horse the color of the wings is the most important."






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        You are describing an attribute of the listed item. It's position in the list is secondary to the attribute.



        "The/An attribute of the first of those listed."
        or
        "The [attribute name] of the first of these."



        If they are distinct things in the list then the attribute's position will be clear.
        "Of the bird, the mule and the horse the color of the wings is the most important."






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          You are describing an attribute of the listed item. It's position in the list is secondary to the attribute.



          "The/An attribute of the first of those listed."
          or
          "The [attribute name] of the first of these."



          If they are distinct things in the list then the attribute's position will be clear.
          "Of the bird, the mule and the horse the color of the wings is the most important."






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          You are describing an attribute of the listed item. It's position in the list is secondary to the attribute.



          "The/An attribute of the first of those listed."
          or
          "The [attribute name] of the first of these."



          If they are distinct things in the list then the attribute's position will be clear.
          "Of the bird, the mule and the horse the color of the wings is the most important."







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              This seems to be a pertinent question as I haven't seen this discussed in any grammar or on this site.



              When the noun phrase ends with a noun we are quite happy to put an 's on the end. This is often described in grammars as the "King of Spain's daughter" or some similar phrase and is discussed on SE here. However, since the 's can only be added to a noun, we struggle when the phrase ends in a word that cannot be a noun:




              the first of these's

              the last there was's




              I said "cannot be a noun" not "is not a noun" because it is is OK to use a word that can be a noun, even if it is not a noun in the context




              Henry the Eighth's




              You just have to find another way to say it




              the first's attribute

              of these, the first's attribute

              the attribute of the first of these







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                This seems to be a pertinent question as I haven't seen this discussed in any grammar or on this site.



                When the noun phrase ends with a noun we are quite happy to put an 's on the end. This is often described in grammars as the "King of Spain's daughter" or some similar phrase and is discussed on SE here. However, since the 's can only be added to a noun, we struggle when the phrase ends in a word that cannot be a noun:




                the first of these's

                the last there was's




                I said "cannot be a noun" not "is not a noun" because it is is OK to use a word that can be a noun, even if it is not a noun in the context




                Henry the Eighth's




                You just have to find another way to say it




                the first's attribute

                of these, the first's attribute

                the attribute of the first of these







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                  This seems to be a pertinent question as I haven't seen this discussed in any grammar or on this site.



                  When the noun phrase ends with a noun we are quite happy to put an 's on the end. This is often described in grammars as the "King of Spain's daughter" or some similar phrase and is discussed on SE here. However, since the 's can only be added to a noun, we struggle when the phrase ends in a word that cannot be a noun:




                  the first of these's

                  the last there was's




                  I said "cannot be a noun" not "is not a noun" because it is is OK to use a word that can be a noun, even if it is not a noun in the context




                  Henry the Eighth's




                  You just have to find another way to say it




                  the first's attribute

                  of these, the first's attribute

                  the attribute of the first of these







                  share|improve this answer













                  This seems to be a pertinent question as I haven't seen this discussed in any grammar or on this site.



                  When the noun phrase ends with a noun we are quite happy to put an 's on the end. This is often described in grammars as the "King of Spain's daughter" or some similar phrase and is discussed on SE here. However, since the 's can only be added to a noun, we struggle when the phrase ends in a word that cannot be a noun:




                  the first of these's

                  the last there was's




                  I said "cannot be a noun" not "is not a noun" because it is is OK to use a word that can be a noun, even if it is not a noun in the context




                  Henry the Eighth's




                  You just have to find another way to say it




                  the first's attribute

                  of these, the first's attribute

                  the attribute of the first of these








                  share|improve this answer












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