Applicability of Single Responsibility Principle
I recently came by a seemingly trivial architectural problem. I had a simple repository in my code that was called like this (code is in C#):
var user = /* create user somehow */;
_userRepository.Add(user);
/* do some other stuff*/
_userRepository.SaveChanges();
SaveChanges
was a simple wrapper that commits changes to database:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
}
Then, after some time, I needed to implement new logic that would send email notifications every time a user was created in the system. Since there were many calls to _userRepository.Add()
and SaveChanges
around the system, I decided to update SaveChanges
like this:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
foreach (var newUser in dataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
This way, external code could subscribe to UserCreatedEvent and handle the needed business logic that would send notifications.
But it was pointed out to me that my modification of SaveChanges
violated the Single Responsibility principle, and that SaveChanges
should just save and not fire any events.
Is this a valid point? It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function. And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
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I recently came by a seemingly trivial architectural problem. I had a simple repository in my code that was called like this (code is in C#):
var user = /* create user somehow */;
_userRepository.Add(user);
/* do some other stuff*/
_userRepository.SaveChanges();
SaveChanges
was a simple wrapper that commits changes to database:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
}
Then, after some time, I needed to implement new logic that would send email notifications every time a user was created in the system. Since there were many calls to _userRepository.Add()
and SaveChanges
around the system, I decided to update SaveChanges
like this:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
foreach (var newUser in dataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
This way, external code could subscribe to UserCreatedEvent and handle the needed business logic that would send notifications.
But it was pointed out to me that my modification of SaveChanges
violated the Single Responsibility principle, and that SaveChanges
should just save and not fire any events.
Is this a valid point? It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function. And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
architecture single-responsibility
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Your retort is: "OK, so how would you write it so that it doesn't violate SRP but still allows a single point of modification?"
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
17
My observation is that raising an event does not add an additional responsibility. In fact, quite the opposite: it delegates the responsibility somewhere else.
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
I think your coworker is right, but your question is valid and useful, so upvoted!
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
5
There's no such thing as a definitive definition of a Single Responsibility. The person pointing out that it violates SRP is correct using their personal definition and you are correct using your definition. I think your design is perfectly fine with the caveat that this event isn't a one-off whereby other similar functionality is done in different ways. Consistency is far, far, far more important to pay attention to than some vague guideline like SRP which carried to the extreme ends up with tons of very easy to understand classes that nobody knows how to make work in a system.
– Dunk
11 hours ago
DoesSaveChanges
update multiple users?
– Nishant
6 hours ago
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I recently came by a seemingly trivial architectural problem. I had a simple repository in my code that was called like this (code is in C#):
var user = /* create user somehow */;
_userRepository.Add(user);
/* do some other stuff*/
_userRepository.SaveChanges();
SaveChanges
was a simple wrapper that commits changes to database:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
}
Then, after some time, I needed to implement new logic that would send email notifications every time a user was created in the system. Since there were many calls to _userRepository.Add()
and SaveChanges
around the system, I decided to update SaveChanges
like this:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
foreach (var newUser in dataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
This way, external code could subscribe to UserCreatedEvent and handle the needed business logic that would send notifications.
But it was pointed out to me that my modification of SaveChanges
violated the Single Responsibility principle, and that SaveChanges
should just save and not fire any events.
Is this a valid point? It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function. And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
architecture single-responsibility
I recently came by a seemingly trivial architectural problem. I had a simple repository in my code that was called like this (code is in C#):
var user = /* create user somehow */;
_userRepository.Add(user);
/* do some other stuff*/
_userRepository.SaveChanges();
SaveChanges
was a simple wrapper that commits changes to database:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
}
Then, after some time, I needed to implement new logic that would send email notifications every time a user was created in the system. Since there were many calls to _userRepository.Add()
and SaveChanges
around the system, I decided to update SaveChanges
like this:
void SaveChanges()
{
_dataContext.SaveChanges();
_logger.Log("User DB updated: " + someImportantInfo);
foreach (var newUser in dataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
This way, external code could subscribe to UserCreatedEvent and handle the needed business logic that would send notifications.
But it was pointed out to me that my modification of SaveChanges
violated the Single Responsibility principle, and that SaveChanges
should just save and not fire any events.
Is this a valid point? It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function. And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
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Andre BorgesAndre Borges
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Your retort is: "OK, so how would you write it so that it doesn't violate SRP but still allows a single point of modification?"
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
17
My observation is that raising an event does not add an additional responsibility. In fact, quite the opposite: it delegates the responsibility somewhere else.
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
I think your coworker is right, but your question is valid and useful, so upvoted!
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
5
There's no such thing as a definitive definition of a Single Responsibility. The person pointing out that it violates SRP is correct using their personal definition and you are correct using your definition. I think your design is perfectly fine with the caveat that this event isn't a one-off whereby other similar functionality is done in different ways. Consistency is far, far, far more important to pay attention to than some vague guideline like SRP which carried to the extreme ends up with tons of very easy to understand classes that nobody knows how to make work in a system.
– Dunk
11 hours ago
DoesSaveChanges
update multiple users?
– Nishant
6 hours ago
add a comment |
10
Your retort is: "OK, so how would you write it so that it doesn't violate SRP but still allows a single point of modification?"
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
17
My observation is that raising an event does not add an additional responsibility. In fact, quite the opposite: it delegates the responsibility somewhere else.
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
I think your coworker is right, but your question is valid and useful, so upvoted!
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
5
There's no such thing as a definitive definition of a Single Responsibility. The person pointing out that it violates SRP is correct using their personal definition and you are correct using your definition. I think your design is perfectly fine with the caveat that this event isn't a one-off whereby other similar functionality is done in different ways. Consistency is far, far, far more important to pay attention to than some vague guideline like SRP which carried to the extreme ends up with tons of very easy to understand classes that nobody knows how to make work in a system.
– Dunk
11 hours ago
DoesSaveChanges
update multiple users?
– Nishant
6 hours ago
10
10
Your retort is: "OK, so how would you write it so that it doesn't violate SRP but still allows a single point of modification?"
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
Your retort is: "OK, so how would you write it so that it doesn't violate SRP but still allows a single point of modification?"
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
17
17
My observation is that raising an event does not add an additional responsibility. In fact, quite the opposite: it delegates the responsibility somewhere else.
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
My observation is that raising an event does not add an additional responsibility. In fact, quite the opposite: it delegates the responsibility somewhere else.
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
I think your coworker is right, but your question is valid and useful, so upvoted!
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
I think your coworker is right, but your question is valid and useful, so upvoted!
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
5
5
There's no such thing as a definitive definition of a Single Responsibility. The person pointing out that it violates SRP is correct using their personal definition and you are correct using your definition. I think your design is perfectly fine with the caveat that this event isn't a one-off whereby other similar functionality is done in different ways. Consistency is far, far, far more important to pay attention to than some vague guideline like SRP which carried to the extreme ends up with tons of very easy to understand classes that nobody knows how to make work in a system.
– Dunk
11 hours ago
There's no such thing as a definitive definition of a Single Responsibility. The person pointing out that it violates SRP is correct using their personal definition and you are correct using your definition. I think your design is perfectly fine with the caveat that this event isn't a one-off whereby other similar functionality is done in different ways. Consistency is far, far, far more important to pay attention to than some vague guideline like SRP which carried to the extreme ends up with tons of very easy to understand classes that nobody knows how to make work in a system.
– Dunk
11 hours ago
Does
SaveChanges
update multiple users?– Nishant
6 hours ago
Does
SaveChanges
update multiple users?– Nishant
6 hours ago
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Sending a notification that the persistent data store changed seems like a sensible thing to do when saving.
Of course you shouldn't treat Add as a special case - you'd have to fire events for Modify and Delete as well. It's the special treatment of the "Add" case that smells, forces the reader to explain why it smells, and ultimately leads some readers of the code to conclude it must violate SRP.
A "notifying" repository that can be queried, changed, and fires events on changes, is a perfectly normal object. You can expect to find multiple variations thereof in pretty much any decently sized project.
But is a "notifying" repository actually what you need? You mentioned C#: Many people would agree that using a System.Collections.ObjectModel.ObservableCollection<>
instead of System.Collections.Generic.List<>
when the latter is all you need is all kinds of bad and wrong, but few would immediately point to SRP.
What you are doing now is swapping your UserList _userRepository
with an ObservableUserCollection _userRepository
. If that's the best course of action or not depends on the application. But while it unquestionably makes the _userRepository
considerably less lightweight, in my humble opinion it doesn't violate SRP.
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Yes, it is a violation of the single responsibility principle and a valid point.
A better design would be to have a separate process retrieve 'new users' from the repository and send the emails. Keeping track of which users have been sent an email, failures, resends, etc., etc.
This way you can handle errors, crashes and the like as well as avoiding your repository grabbing every requirement which has the idea that events happen "when something is committed to the database".
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user. Its responsibility is simply storing the user.
--Edit
It's probably worth expanding on the comments below.
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it
does, it has a method called Add. Its semantics implies that all added
users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add before
calling Save - and you get all new users
Incorrect. You are conflating "Added to the Repository" and "New".
"Added to the Repository" means just what it says. I can add and remove and re-add users to various repositories.
"New" is a state of a user defined by business rules.
Currently the business rule might be "New == just been added to the repository", but that doesn't mean it's not a separate responsibility to know about and apply that rule.
You have to be careful to avoid this kind of database-centric thinking. You will have edge case processes which add non-new users to the repository and when you send emails to them all the business will say "Of course those are not 'new' users! The actual rule is X"
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the
one central place in the code which knows when new users are added
Incorrect. For the reasons above, plus it's not a central location unless you actually include the email sending code in the class rather than just raising an event.
You will have applications which use the repository class, but don't have the code to send the email. When you add users in those applications the email will not be sent.
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The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method calledAdd
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed toAdd
before callingSave
- and you get all new users.
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
5
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
1
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
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Is this a valid point?
Yes it is, although it depends a lot on the structure of your code. I don't have the full context so I will try to talk in general.
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function.
It absolutely isn't. Logging is not part of the business flow, it can be disabled, it shouldn't cause (business) side effects and should not influence the state and heath of your application in any way, even if you were for some reason not able to log anything anymore. Now compare that with the logic you added.
And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
SRP works in tandem with ISP (S and I in SOLID). You end up with many classes and methods that do very specific things and nothing else. They are very focused, very easy to update or replace, and in general easy(er) to test. Of course in practice you'll also have a few bigger classes that deal with the orchestration: they will have a number of dependencies, and they will focus not on atomised actions, but on business actions, which may require multiple steps. As long as the business context is clear, they can too be called single responsibility, but as you correctly said, as the code grows, you may want to abstract some of it into new classes / interfaces.
Now back to your particular example. If you absolutely must send a notification whenever a user is created and maybe even perform other more specialised actions, then you could create a separate service that encapsulates this requirement, something like UserCreationService
, which exposes one method, Add(user)
, which handles both the storage (the call to your repository) and the notification as a single business action. Or do it in your original snippet, after _userRepository.SaveChanges();
2
Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
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SRP is, theoretically, about people. The correct question is:
Which "stakeholder" added the "send emails" requirement?
If that stakeholder is also in charge of data persistence (unlikely but possible) then this does not violate SRP. Otherwise, it does.
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Yes, it can be a valid requirement to have a repo which fires certain events on certain actions like Add
or SaveChanges
- and I am not going to question this (like some other answers), so let us assume this is requirement is perfectly justfied in the context of your system. And yes, encoding the event mechanics as well as the logging as well as the saving into one method violates the SRP (to a certain degree).
The solution to this is to let your original repo stay to be responsible for committing changes to database, nothing else, and make a proxy repository which has exactly the same public interface, reuses the original repo and adds the additional event mechanics to the methods:
// in EventFiringUserRepo:
void SaveChanges()
{
_basicRepo.SaveChanges();
FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers();
}
void FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers()
{
foreach (var newUser in _basicRepo.DataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
The new and the old repo class should both derive from a common interface, like shown in the classic Proxy pattern description.
Then, in your original code, initialize _userRepository
by an object of the new EventFiringUserRepo
class. That way, you keep the original repo separated from the event mechanics. If required, you can have the event firing repo and the original repo side-by-side and let the callers decide if they use either the former or the latter.
If this kind of separation is really worth it in the context of your system is something you and your reviewer have to decide by yourself. I probably would not separate the logging from the original code using the same approach, though it would be possible in priciple.
1
In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
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While technically there's nothing wrong with repositories notifying events, I would suggest looking at it from a functional point of view where its convenience rises some concerns.
Creating users is one thing, its persistence a different one.
Premise of mine
Consider the previous premise before deciding whether the repository is the proper place to notify business events (regardless of the SRP). Note that I said business event because to me UserCreated
has a different connotation than UserStored
or UserAdded
1. I would also consider each of those events to be addressed to different audiences.
On one side, creating users is a business-specific rule that might or might not involve persistence. It might involve more business operations, involving more database/network operations. Operations the persistence layer is unaware of. The persistence layer doesn't have enough context to decide whether the use case ended successfully or not.
On the flip side, it's not necessarily true that _dataContext.SaveChanges();
has persisted the user successfully. It will depend on the database's transaction span. For instance, it could be true for databases like MongoDB, which transactions are atomic, but it could not, for traditional RDBMS implementing ACID transactions where there could be more transactions involved and yet to be committed.
Is this a valid point?
I would dare to say that, It's not only a matter of SRP (technically speaking), It's also a matter of convenience (functionally speaking). Is it convenient to cast business events from components that are not totally aware of the business operations in progress? Do they represent the right place as much as the right moment? Should the persistence orchestrate my business through notifications like this? Can we invalidate premature events?* 2
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same
thing as logging
Absolutely not. Logging is meant to have no side effects, however, I suspect your event UserCreated
is likely to cause other business operations to happen. Like notifications. 3
it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes,
and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes
Not necessarily true. SRP is not a class-specific concern only. It operates at different levels of abstractions, like layers, libraries and systems! It's about cohesion, about keeping together what changes for the same reasons. If the user creation (use case) changes it's likely the moment and the reasons for the event to happen also changes.
1: Naming things adequately also matters.
2: Say we sent UserCreated
after _dataContext.SaveChanges();
, but the whole database transaction failed later due to connection issues or constraints violations. Be careful with premature broadcasting of events, because its side effects can be hard to undo (if that is even possible).
3: Bear in mind that a sent email cannot be undon
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
1
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed withBefore
orPreview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.
– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
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Currently SaveChanges
does two things: it saves the changes and logs that it does so. Now you want to add another thing to it: send email notifications.
You had the clever idea to add an event to it, but this was criticised for violating the Single Responsibility Principle (SRP), without noticing that it had already been violated.
To get a pure SRP solution, first trigger the event, then call all the hooks for that event, of which there are now three: saving, logging, and finally sending emails.
Either you trigger the event first, or you have to add to SaveChanges
. Your solution is a hybrid between the two. It doesn't address the existing violation while it does encourage preventing it from increasing beyond three things. Refactoring the existing code to comply with SRP might require more work than is strictly necessary. It's up to your project how far they want to take SRP.
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Sending a notification that the persistent data store changed seems like a sensible thing to do when saving.
Of course you shouldn't treat Add as a special case - you'd have to fire events for Modify and Delete as well. It's the special treatment of the "Add" case that smells, forces the reader to explain why it smells, and ultimately leads some readers of the code to conclude it must violate SRP.
A "notifying" repository that can be queried, changed, and fires events on changes, is a perfectly normal object. You can expect to find multiple variations thereof in pretty much any decently sized project.
But is a "notifying" repository actually what you need? You mentioned C#: Many people would agree that using a System.Collections.ObjectModel.ObservableCollection<>
instead of System.Collections.Generic.List<>
when the latter is all you need is all kinds of bad and wrong, but few would immediately point to SRP.
What you are doing now is swapping your UserList _userRepository
with an ObservableUserCollection _userRepository
. If that's the best course of action or not depends on the application. But while it unquestionably makes the _userRepository
considerably less lightweight, in my humble opinion it doesn't violate SRP.
add a comment |
Sending a notification that the persistent data store changed seems like a sensible thing to do when saving.
Of course you shouldn't treat Add as a special case - you'd have to fire events for Modify and Delete as well. It's the special treatment of the "Add" case that smells, forces the reader to explain why it smells, and ultimately leads some readers of the code to conclude it must violate SRP.
A "notifying" repository that can be queried, changed, and fires events on changes, is a perfectly normal object. You can expect to find multiple variations thereof in pretty much any decently sized project.
But is a "notifying" repository actually what you need? You mentioned C#: Many people would agree that using a System.Collections.ObjectModel.ObservableCollection<>
instead of System.Collections.Generic.List<>
when the latter is all you need is all kinds of bad and wrong, but few would immediately point to SRP.
What you are doing now is swapping your UserList _userRepository
with an ObservableUserCollection _userRepository
. If that's the best course of action or not depends on the application. But while it unquestionably makes the _userRepository
considerably less lightweight, in my humble opinion it doesn't violate SRP.
add a comment |
Sending a notification that the persistent data store changed seems like a sensible thing to do when saving.
Of course you shouldn't treat Add as a special case - you'd have to fire events for Modify and Delete as well. It's the special treatment of the "Add" case that smells, forces the reader to explain why it smells, and ultimately leads some readers of the code to conclude it must violate SRP.
A "notifying" repository that can be queried, changed, and fires events on changes, is a perfectly normal object. You can expect to find multiple variations thereof in pretty much any decently sized project.
But is a "notifying" repository actually what you need? You mentioned C#: Many people would agree that using a System.Collections.ObjectModel.ObservableCollection<>
instead of System.Collections.Generic.List<>
when the latter is all you need is all kinds of bad and wrong, but few would immediately point to SRP.
What you are doing now is swapping your UserList _userRepository
with an ObservableUserCollection _userRepository
. If that's the best course of action or not depends on the application. But while it unquestionably makes the _userRepository
considerably less lightweight, in my humble opinion it doesn't violate SRP.
Sending a notification that the persistent data store changed seems like a sensible thing to do when saving.
Of course you shouldn't treat Add as a special case - you'd have to fire events for Modify and Delete as well. It's the special treatment of the "Add" case that smells, forces the reader to explain why it smells, and ultimately leads some readers of the code to conclude it must violate SRP.
A "notifying" repository that can be queried, changed, and fires events on changes, is a perfectly normal object. You can expect to find multiple variations thereof in pretty much any decently sized project.
But is a "notifying" repository actually what you need? You mentioned C#: Many people would agree that using a System.Collections.ObjectModel.ObservableCollection<>
instead of System.Collections.Generic.List<>
when the latter is all you need is all kinds of bad and wrong, but few would immediately point to SRP.
What you are doing now is swapping your UserList _userRepository
with an ObservableUserCollection _userRepository
. If that's the best course of action or not depends on the application. But while it unquestionably makes the _userRepository
considerably less lightweight, in my humble opinion it doesn't violate SRP.
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PeterPeter
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Yes, it is a violation of the single responsibility principle and a valid point.
A better design would be to have a separate process retrieve 'new users' from the repository and send the emails. Keeping track of which users have been sent an email, failures, resends, etc., etc.
This way you can handle errors, crashes and the like as well as avoiding your repository grabbing every requirement which has the idea that events happen "when something is committed to the database".
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user. Its responsibility is simply storing the user.
--Edit
It's probably worth expanding on the comments below.
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it
does, it has a method called Add. Its semantics implies that all added
users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add before
calling Save - and you get all new users
Incorrect. You are conflating "Added to the Repository" and "New".
"Added to the Repository" means just what it says. I can add and remove and re-add users to various repositories.
"New" is a state of a user defined by business rules.
Currently the business rule might be "New == just been added to the repository", but that doesn't mean it's not a separate responsibility to know about and apply that rule.
You have to be careful to avoid this kind of database-centric thinking. You will have edge case processes which add non-new users to the repository and when you send emails to them all the business will say "Of course those are not 'new' users! The actual rule is X"
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the
one central place in the code which knows when new users are added
Incorrect. For the reasons above, plus it's not a central location unless you actually include the email sending code in the class rather than just raising an event.
You will have applications which use the repository class, but don't have the code to send the email. When you add users in those applications the email will not be sent.
7
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method calledAdd
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed toAdd
before callingSave
- and you get all new users.
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
5
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
1
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, it is a violation of the single responsibility principle and a valid point.
A better design would be to have a separate process retrieve 'new users' from the repository and send the emails. Keeping track of which users have been sent an email, failures, resends, etc., etc.
This way you can handle errors, crashes and the like as well as avoiding your repository grabbing every requirement which has the idea that events happen "when something is committed to the database".
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user. Its responsibility is simply storing the user.
--Edit
It's probably worth expanding on the comments below.
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it
does, it has a method called Add. Its semantics implies that all added
users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add before
calling Save - and you get all new users
Incorrect. You are conflating "Added to the Repository" and "New".
"Added to the Repository" means just what it says. I can add and remove and re-add users to various repositories.
"New" is a state of a user defined by business rules.
Currently the business rule might be "New == just been added to the repository", but that doesn't mean it's not a separate responsibility to know about and apply that rule.
You have to be careful to avoid this kind of database-centric thinking. You will have edge case processes which add non-new users to the repository and when you send emails to them all the business will say "Of course those are not 'new' users! The actual rule is X"
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the
one central place in the code which knows when new users are added
Incorrect. For the reasons above, plus it's not a central location unless you actually include the email sending code in the class rather than just raising an event.
You will have applications which use the repository class, but don't have the code to send the email. When you add users in those applications the email will not be sent.
7
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method calledAdd
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed toAdd
before callingSave
- and you get all new users.
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
5
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
1
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, it is a violation of the single responsibility principle and a valid point.
A better design would be to have a separate process retrieve 'new users' from the repository and send the emails. Keeping track of which users have been sent an email, failures, resends, etc., etc.
This way you can handle errors, crashes and the like as well as avoiding your repository grabbing every requirement which has the idea that events happen "when something is committed to the database".
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user. Its responsibility is simply storing the user.
--Edit
It's probably worth expanding on the comments below.
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it
does, it has a method called Add. Its semantics implies that all added
users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add before
calling Save - and you get all new users
Incorrect. You are conflating "Added to the Repository" and "New".
"Added to the Repository" means just what it says. I can add and remove and re-add users to various repositories.
"New" is a state of a user defined by business rules.
Currently the business rule might be "New == just been added to the repository", but that doesn't mean it's not a separate responsibility to know about and apply that rule.
You have to be careful to avoid this kind of database-centric thinking. You will have edge case processes which add non-new users to the repository and when you send emails to them all the business will say "Of course those are not 'new' users! The actual rule is X"
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the
one central place in the code which knows when new users are added
Incorrect. For the reasons above, plus it's not a central location unless you actually include the email sending code in the class rather than just raising an event.
You will have applications which use the repository class, but don't have the code to send the email. When you add users in those applications the email will not be sent.
Yes, it is a violation of the single responsibility principle and a valid point.
A better design would be to have a separate process retrieve 'new users' from the repository and send the emails. Keeping track of which users have been sent an email, failures, resends, etc., etc.
This way you can handle errors, crashes and the like as well as avoiding your repository grabbing every requirement which has the idea that events happen "when something is committed to the database".
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user. Its responsibility is simply storing the user.
--Edit
It's probably worth expanding on the comments below.
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it
does, it has a method called Add. Its semantics implies that all added
users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add before
calling Save - and you get all new users
Incorrect. You are conflating "Added to the Repository" and "New".
"Added to the Repository" means just what it says. I can add and remove and re-add users to various repositories.
"New" is a state of a user defined by business rules.
Currently the business rule might be "New == just been added to the repository", but that doesn't mean it's not a separate responsibility to know about and apply that rule.
You have to be careful to avoid this kind of database-centric thinking. You will have edge case processes which add non-new users to the repository and when you send emails to them all the business will say "Of course those are not 'new' users! The actual rule is X"
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the
one central place in the code which knows when new users are added
Incorrect. For the reasons above, plus it's not a central location unless you actually include the email sending code in the class rather than just raising an event.
You will have applications which use the repository class, but don't have the code to send the email. When you add users in those applications the email will not be sent.
edited 8 mins ago
answered 15 hours ago
EwanEwan
42.3k33593
42.3k33593
7
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method calledAdd
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed toAdd
before callingSave
- and you get all new users.
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
5
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
1
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
7
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method calledAdd
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed toAdd
before callingSave
- and you get all new users.
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
5
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
1
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
7
7
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method called
Add
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add
before calling Save
- and you get all new users.– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
The repository doesn't know that a user you add is a new user - yes it does, it has a method called
Add
. Its semantics implies that all added users are new users. Combine all the arguments passed to Add
before calling Save
- and you get all new users.– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
I like this suggestion. However, pragmatism prevails over purity. Depending on the circumstances, adding an entirely new architectural layer to an existing application can be difficult to justify if all you need to do is literally send a single email when a user is added.
– Alexander
8 hours ago
5
5
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
This answer is IMHO quite missing the point: the repo is exactly the one central place in the code which knows when new users are added.
– Doc Brown
8 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
But the event is not saying user added. It says user created. If we consider naming things properly and we agree with the semantical differences between add and create, then the event in the snippet is either wrong named or missplaced. I don't think the reviewer had anything against notyfing repositories. Probably It was concerned about the kind of event and its side effects.
– Laiv
2 hours ago
1
1
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
@Andre New to the repo, but not necessarily "new" in the business sense. its the conflation of these two ideas that's hiding the extra responsibility from first glance. I might import a tonne of old users to my new repository, or remove and re-add a user etc. There will be business rules about what a "new user" is beyond "has been added to the dB"
– Ewan
2 hours ago
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Is this a valid point?
Yes it is, although it depends a lot on the structure of your code. I don't have the full context so I will try to talk in general.
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function.
It absolutely isn't. Logging is not part of the business flow, it can be disabled, it shouldn't cause (business) side effects and should not influence the state and heath of your application in any way, even if you were for some reason not able to log anything anymore. Now compare that with the logic you added.
And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
SRP works in tandem with ISP (S and I in SOLID). You end up with many classes and methods that do very specific things and nothing else. They are very focused, very easy to update or replace, and in general easy(er) to test. Of course in practice you'll also have a few bigger classes that deal with the orchestration: they will have a number of dependencies, and they will focus not on atomised actions, but on business actions, which may require multiple steps. As long as the business context is clear, they can too be called single responsibility, but as you correctly said, as the code grows, you may want to abstract some of it into new classes / interfaces.
Now back to your particular example. If you absolutely must send a notification whenever a user is created and maybe even perform other more specialised actions, then you could create a separate service that encapsulates this requirement, something like UserCreationService
, which exposes one method, Add(user)
, which handles both the storage (the call to your repository) and the notification as a single business action. Or do it in your original snippet, after _userRepository.SaveChanges();
2
Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Is this a valid point?
Yes it is, although it depends a lot on the structure of your code. I don't have the full context so I will try to talk in general.
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function.
It absolutely isn't. Logging is not part of the business flow, it can be disabled, it shouldn't cause (business) side effects and should not influence the state and heath of your application in any way, even if you were for some reason not able to log anything anymore. Now compare that with the logic you added.
And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
SRP works in tandem with ISP (S and I in SOLID). You end up with many classes and methods that do very specific things and nothing else. They are very focused, very easy to update or replace, and in general easy(er) to test. Of course in practice you'll also have a few bigger classes that deal with the orchestration: they will have a number of dependencies, and they will focus not on atomised actions, but on business actions, which may require multiple steps. As long as the business context is clear, they can too be called single responsibility, but as you correctly said, as the code grows, you may want to abstract some of it into new classes / interfaces.
Now back to your particular example. If you absolutely must send a notification whenever a user is created and maybe even perform other more specialised actions, then you could create a separate service that encapsulates this requirement, something like UserCreationService
, which exposes one method, Add(user)
, which handles both the storage (the call to your repository) and the notification as a single business action. Or do it in your original snippet, after _userRepository.SaveChanges();
2
Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
add a comment |
Is this a valid point?
Yes it is, although it depends a lot on the structure of your code. I don't have the full context so I will try to talk in general.
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function.
It absolutely isn't. Logging is not part of the business flow, it can be disabled, it shouldn't cause (business) side effects and should not influence the state and heath of your application in any way, even if you were for some reason not able to log anything anymore. Now compare that with the logic you added.
And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
SRP works in tandem with ISP (S and I in SOLID). You end up with many classes and methods that do very specific things and nothing else. They are very focused, very easy to update or replace, and in general easy(er) to test. Of course in practice you'll also have a few bigger classes that deal with the orchestration: they will have a number of dependencies, and they will focus not on atomised actions, but on business actions, which may require multiple steps. As long as the business context is clear, they can too be called single responsibility, but as you correctly said, as the code grows, you may want to abstract some of it into new classes / interfaces.
Now back to your particular example. If you absolutely must send a notification whenever a user is created and maybe even perform other more specialised actions, then you could create a separate service that encapsulates this requirement, something like UserCreationService
, which exposes one method, Add(user)
, which handles both the storage (the call to your repository) and the notification as a single business action. Or do it in your original snippet, after _userRepository.SaveChanges();
Is this a valid point?
Yes it is, although it depends a lot on the structure of your code. I don't have the full context so I will try to talk in general.
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same thing as logging: just adding some side functionality to the function.
It absolutely isn't. Logging is not part of the business flow, it can be disabled, it shouldn't cause (business) side effects and should not influence the state and heath of your application in any way, even if you were for some reason not able to log anything anymore. Now compare that with the logic you added.
And SRP does not prohibit you from using logging or firing events in your functions, it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes, and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes.
SRP works in tandem with ISP (S and I in SOLID). You end up with many classes and methods that do very specific things and nothing else. They are very focused, very easy to update or replace, and in general easy(er) to test. Of course in practice you'll also have a few bigger classes that deal with the orchestration: they will have a number of dependencies, and they will focus not on atomised actions, but on business actions, which may require multiple steps. As long as the business context is clear, they can too be called single responsibility, but as you correctly said, as the code grows, you may want to abstract some of it into new classes / interfaces.
Now back to your particular example. If you absolutely must send a notification whenever a user is created and maybe even perform other more specialised actions, then you could create a separate service that encapsulates this requirement, something like UserCreationService
, which exposes one method, Add(user)
, which handles both the storage (the call to your repository) and the notification as a single business action. Or do it in your original snippet, after _userRepository.SaveChanges();
answered 12 hours ago
asyncasync
58259
58259
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Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
add a comment |
2
Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
2
2
Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
Logging is not part of the business flow - how is this relevant in the context of SRP? If the purpose of my event would be to send new user data to Google Analytics - then disabling it would have the same business effect as disabling logging: not critical, but pretty upsetting. What is the rule of a thumb for adding/not adding new logic to a function? "Will disabling it cause major business side effects?"
– Andre Borges
10 hours ago
add a comment |
SRP is, theoretically, about people. The correct question is:
Which "stakeholder" added the "send emails" requirement?
If that stakeholder is also in charge of data persistence (unlikely but possible) then this does not violate SRP. Otherwise, it does.
add a comment |
SRP is, theoretically, about people. The correct question is:
Which "stakeholder" added the "send emails" requirement?
If that stakeholder is also in charge of data persistence (unlikely but possible) then this does not violate SRP. Otherwise, it does.
add a comment |
SRP is, theoretically, about people. The correct question is:
Which "stakeholder" added the "send emails" requirement?
If that stakeholder is also in charge of data persistence (unlikely but possible) then this does not violate SRP. Otherwise, it does.
SRP is, theoretically, about people. The correct question is:
Which "stakeholder" added the "send emails" requirement?
If that stakeholder is also in charge of data persistence (unlikely but possible) then this does not violate SRP. Otherwise, it does.
edited 12 hours ago
answered 12 hours ago
user949300user949300
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add a comment |
Yes, it can be a valid requirement to have a repo which fires certain events on certain actions like Add
or SaveChanges
- and I am not going to question this (like some other answers), so let us assume this is requirement is perfectly justfied in the context of your system. And yes, encoding the event mechanics as well as the logging as well as the saving into one method violates the SRP (to a certain degree).
The solution to this is to let your original repo stay to be responsible for committing changes to database, nothing else, and make a proxy repository which has exactly the same public interface, reuses the original repo and adds the additional event mechanics to the methods:
// in EventFiringUserRepo:
void SaveChanges()
{
_basicRepo.SaveChanges();
FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers();
}
void FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers()
{
foreach (var newUser in _basicRepo.DataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
The new and the old repo class should both derive from a common interface, like shown in the classic Proxy pattern description.
Then, in your original code, initialize _userRepository
by an object of the new EventFiringUserRepo
class. That way, you keep the original repo separated from the event mechanics. If required, you can have the event firing repo and the original repo side-by-side and let the callers decide if they use either the former or the latter.
If this kind of separation is really worth it in the context of your system is something you and your reviewer have to decide by yourself. I probably would not separate the logging from the original code using the same approach, though it would be possible in priciple.
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In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
add a comment |
Yes, it can be a valid requirement to have a repo which fires certain events on certain actions like Add
or SaveChanges
- and I am not going to question this (like some other answers), so let us assume this is requirement is perfectly justfied in the context of your system. And yes, encoding the event mechanics as well as the logging as well as the saving into one method violates the SRP (to a certain degree).
The solution to this is to let your original repo stay to be responsible for committing changes to database, nothing else, and make a proxy repository which has exactly the same public interface, reuses the original repo and adds the additional event mechanics to the methods:
// in EventFiringUserRepo:
void SaveChanges()
{
_basicRepo.SaveChanges();
FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers();
}
void FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers()
{
foreach (var newUser in _basicRepo.DataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
The new and the old repo class should both derive from a common interface, like shown in the classic Proxy pattern description.
Then, in your original code, initialize _userRepository
by an object of the new EventFiringUserRepo
class. That way, you keep the original repo separated from the event mechanics. If required, you can have the event firing repo and the original repo side-by-side and let the callers decide if they use either the former or the latter.
If this kind of separation is really worth it in the context of your system is something you and your reviewer have to decide by yourself. I probably would not separate the logging from the original code using the same approach, though it would be possible in priciple.
1
In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
add a comment |
Yes, it can be a valid requirement to have a repo which fires certain events on certain actions like Add
or SaveChanges
- and I am not going to question this (like some other answers), so let us assume this is requirement is perfectly justfied in the context of your system. And yes, encoding the event mechanics as well as the logging as well as the saving into one method violates the SRP (to a certain degree).
The solution to this is to let your original repo stay to be responsible for committing changes to database, nothing else, and make a proxy repository which has exactly the same public interface, reuses the original repo and adds the additional event mechanics to the methods:
// in EventFiringUserRepo:
void SaveChanges()
{
_basicRepo.SaveChanges();
FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers();
}
void FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers()
{
foreach (var newUser in _basicRepo.DataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
The new and the old repo class should both derive from a common interface, like shown in the classic Proxy pattern description.
Then, in your original code, initialize _userRepository
by an object of the new EventFiringUserRepo
class. That way, you keep the original repo separated from the event mechanics. If required, you can have the event firing repo and the original repo side-by-side and let the callers decide if they use either the former or the latter.
If this kind of separation is really worth it in the context of your system is something you and your reviewer have to decide by yourself. I probably would not separate the logging from the original code using the same approach, though it would be possible in priciple.
Yes, it can be a valid requirement to have a repo which fires certain events on certain actions like Add
or SaveChanges
- and I am not going to question this (like some other answers), so let us assume this is requirement is perfectly justfied in the context of your system. And yes, encoding the event mechanics as well as the logging as well as the saving into one method violates the SRP (to a certain degree).
The solution to this is to let your original repo stay to be responsible for committing changes to database, nothing else, and make a proxy repository which has exactly the same public interface, reuses the original repo and adds the additional event mechanics to the methods:
// in EventFiringUserRepo:
void SaveChanges()
{
_basicRepo.SaveChanges();
FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers();
}
void FireEventsForNewlyAddedUsers()
{
foreach (var newUser in _basicRepo.DataContext.GetAddedUsers())
{
_eventService.RaiseEvent(new UserCreatedEvent(newUser ))
}
}
The new and the old repo class should both derive from a common interface, like shown in the classic Proxy pattern description.
Then, in your original code, initialize _userRepository
by an object of the new EventFiringUserRepo
class. That way, you keep the original repo separated from the event mechanics. If required, you can have the event firing repo and the original repo side-by-side and let the callers decide if they use either the former or the latter.
If this kind of separation is really worth it in the context of your system is something you and your reviewer have to decide by yourself. I probably would not separate the logging from the original code using the same approach, though it would be possible in priciple.
edited 7 hours ago
answered 7 hours ago
Doc BrownDoc Brown
136k23251403
136k23251403
1
In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
add a comment |
1
In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
1
1
In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
In addition to this answer. There are alternatives to proxies, like AOP.
– Laiv
1 hour ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
I think you miss the point, its not that raising an event breaks the SRP its that raising an event only for "New" users requires the repo to be responsible for knowing what constitutes a "New" user rather than a "Newly Added to Me" user
– Ewan
12 mins ago
add a comment |
While technically there's nothing wrong with repositories notifying events, I would suggest looking at it from a functional point of view where its convenience rises some concerns.
Creating users is one thing, its persistence a different one.
Premise of mine
Consider the previous premise before deciding whether the repository is the proper place to notify business events (regardless of the SRP). Note that I said business event because to me UserCreated
has a different connotation than UserStored
or UserAdded
1. I would also consider each of those events to be addressed to different audiences.
On one side, creating users is a business-specific rule that might or might not involve persistence. It might involve more business operations, involving more database/network operations. Operations the persistence layer is unaware of. The persistence layer doesn't have enough context to decide whether the use case ended successfully or not.
On the flip side, it's not necessarily true that _dataContext.SaveChanges();
has persisted the user successfully. It will depend on the database's transaction span. For instance, it could be true for databases like MongoDB, which transactions are atomic, but it could not, for traditional RDBMS implementing ACID transactions where there could be more transactions involved and yet to be committed.
Is this a valid point?
I would dare to say that, It's not only a matter of SRP (technically speaking), It's also a matter of convenience (functionally speaking). Is it convenient to cast business events from components that are not totally aware of the business operations in progress? Do they represent the right place as much as the right moment? Should the persistence orchestrate my business through notifications like this? Can we invalidate premature events?* 2
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same
thing as logging
Absolutely not. Logging is meant to have no side effects, however, I suspect your event UserCreated
is likely to cause other business operations to happen. Like notifications. 3
it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes,
and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes
Not necessarily true. SRP is not a class-specific concern only. It operates at different levels of abstractions, like layers, libraries and systems! It's about cohesion, about keeping together what changes for the same reasons. If the user creation (use case) changes it's likely the moment and the reasons for the event to happen also changes.
1: Naming things adequately also matters.
2: Say we sent UserCreated
after _dataContext.SaveChanges();
, but the whole database transaction failed later due to connection issues or constraints violations. Be careful with premature broadcasting of events, because its side effects can be hard to undo (if that is even possible).
3: Bear in mind that a sent email cannot be undon
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
1
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed withBefore
orPreview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.
– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
add a comment |
While technically there's nothing wrong with repositories notifying events, I would suggest looking at it from a functional point of view where its convenience rises some concerns.
Creating users is one thing, its persistence a different one.
Premise of mine
Consider the previous premise before deciding whether the repository is the proper place to notify business events (regardless of the SRP). Note that I said business event because to me UserCreated
has a different connotation than UserStored
or UserAdded
1. I would also consider each of those events to be addressed to different audiences.
On one side, creating users is a business-specific rule that might or might not involve persistence. It might involve more business operations, involving more database/network operations. Operations the persistence layer is unaware of. The persistence layer doesn't have enough context to decide whether the use case ended successfully or not.
On the flip side, it's not necessarily true that _dataContext.SaveChanges();
has persisted the user successfully. It will depend on the database's transaction span. For instance, it could be true for databases like MongoDB, which transactions are atomic, but it could not, for traditional RDBMS implementing ACID transactions where there could be more transactions involved and yet to be committed.
Is this a valid point?
I would dare to say that, It's not only a matter of SRP (technically speaking), It's also a matter of convenience (functionally speaking). Is it convenient to cast business events from components that are not totally aware of the business operations in progress? Do they represent the right place as much as the right moment? Should the persistence orchestrate my business through notifications like this? Can we invalidate premature events?* 2
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same
thing as logging
Absolutely not. Logging is meant to have no side effects, however, I suspect your event UserCreated
is likely to cause other business operations to happen. Like notifications. 3
it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes,
and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes
Not necessarily true. SRP is not a class-specific concern only. It operates at different levels of abstractions, like layers, libraries and systems! It's about cohesion, about keeping together what changes for the same reasons. If the user creation (use case) changes it's likely the moment and the reasons for the event to happen also changes.
1: Naming things adequately also matters.
2: Say we sent UserCreated
after _dataContext.SaveChanges();
, but the whole database transaction failed later due to connection issues or constraints violations. Be careful with premature broadcasting of events, because its side effects can be hard to undo (if that is even possible).
3: Bear in mind that a sent email cannot be undon
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
1
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed withBefore
orPreview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.
– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
add a comment |
While technically there's nothing wrong with repositories notifying events, I would suggest looking at it from a functional point of view where its convenience rises some concerns.
Creating users is one thing, its persistence a different one.
Premise of mine
Consider the previous premise before deciding whether the repository is the proper place to notify business events (regardless of the SRP). Note that I said business event because to me UserCreated
has a different connotation than UserStored
or UserAdded
1. I would also consider each of those events to be addressed to different audiences.
On one side, creating users is a business-specific rule that might or might not involve persistence. It might involve more business operations, involving more database/network operations. Operations the persistence layer is unaware of. The persistence layer doesn't have enough context to decide whether the use case ended successfully or not.
On the flip side, it's not necessarily true that _dataContext.SaveChanges();
has persisted the user successfully. It will depend on the database's transaction span. For instance, it could be true for databases like MongoDB, which transactions are atomic, but it could not, for traditional RDBMS implementing ACID transactions where there could be more transactions involved and yet to be committed.
Is this a valid point?
I would dare to say that, It's not only a matter of SRP (technically speaking), It's also a matter of convenience (functionally speaking). Is it convenient to cast business events from components that are not totally aware of the business operations in progress? Do they represent the right place as much as the right moment? Should the persistence orchestrate my business through notifications like this? Can we invalidate premature events?* 2
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same
thing as logging
Absolutely not. Logging is meant to have no side effects, however, I suspect your event UserCreated
is likely to cause other business operations to happen. Like notifications. 3
it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes,
and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes
Not necessarily true. SRP is not a class-specific concern only. It operates at different levels of abstractions, like layers, libraries and systems! It's about cohesion, about keeping together what changes for the same reasons. If the user creation (use case) changes it's likely the moment and the reasons for the event to happen also changes.
1: Naming things adequately also matters.
2: Say we sent UserCreated
after _dataContext.SaveChanges();
, but the whole database transaction failed later due to connection issues or constraints violations. Be careful with premature broadcasting of events, because its side effects can be hard to undo (if that is even possible).
3: Bear in mind that a sent email cannot be undon
While technically there's nothing wrong with repositories notifying events, I would suggest looking at it from a functional point of view where its convenience rises some concerns.
Creating users is one thing, its persistence a different one.
Premise of mine
Consider the previous premise before deciding whether the repository is the proper place to notify business events (regardless of the SRP). Note that I said business event because to me UserCreated
has a different connotation than UserStored
or UserAdded
1. I would also consider each of those events to be addressed to different audiences.
On one side, creating users is a business-specific rule that might or might not involve persistence. It might involve more business operations, involving more database/network operations. Operations the persistence layer is unaware of. The persistence layer doesn't have enough context to decide whether the use case ended successfully or not.
On the flip side, it's not necessarily true that _dataContext.SaveChanges();
has persisted the user successfully. It will depend on the database's transaction span. For instance, it could be true for databases like MongoDB, which transactions are atomic, but it could not, for traditional RDBMS implementing ACID transactions where there could be more transactions involved and yet to be committed.
Is this a valid point?
I would dare to say that, It's not only a matter of SRP (technically speaking), It's also a matter of convenience (functionally speaking). Is it convenient to cast business events from components that are not totally aware of the business operations in progress? Do they represent the right place as much as the right moment? Should the persistence orchestrate my business through notifications like this? Can we invalidate premature events?* 2
It seems to me that the raising an event here is essentially the same
thing as logging
Absolutely not. Logging is meant to have no side effects, however, I suspect your event UserCreated
is likely to cause other business operations to happen. Like notifications. 3
it just says that such logic should be encapsulated in other classes,
and it is OK for a repository to call these other classes
Not necessarily true. SRP is not a class-specific concern only. It operates at different levels of abstractions, like layers, libraries and systems! It's about cohesion, about keeping together what changes for the same reasons. If the user creation (use case) changes it's likely the moment and the reasons for the event to happen also changes.
1: Naming things adequately also matters.
2: Say we sent UserCreated
after _dataContext.SaveChanges();
, but the whole database transaction failed later due to connection issues or constraints violations. Be careful with premature broadcasting of events, because its side effects can be hard to undo (if that is even possible).
3: Bear in mind that a sent email cannot be undon
edited 1 hour ago
answered 14 hours ago
LaivLaiv
6,89311241
6,89311241
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
1
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed withBefore
orPreview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.
– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
add a comment |
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
1
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed withBefore
orPreview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.
– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
+1 Very good point about the transaction span. It can be premature to assert the user has been created, because rollbacks can happen; and unlike with a log, it's likely some other part of the app does something with the event.
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
1
1
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
Exactly. Events denote certainity. Something happened but it's over.
– Laiv
13 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed with
Before
or Preview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
@Laiv: Except when they don't. Microsoft has all sorts of events prefixed with
Before
or Preview
that make no guarantees at all about certainty.– Robert Harvey♦
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
Hmm. I have never seen this sort of events. Would you mind sharing some references?
– Laiv
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Currently SaveChanges
does two things: it saves the changes and logs that it does so. Now you want to add another thing to it: send email notifications.
You had the clever idea to add an event to it, but this was criticised for violating the Single Responsibility Principle (SRP), without noticing that it had already been violated.
To get a pure SRP solution, first trigger the event, then call all the hooks for that event, of which there are now three: saving, logging, and finally sending emails.
Either you trigger the event first, or you have to add to SaveChanges
. Your solution is a hybrid between the two. It doesn't address the existing violation while it does encourage preventing it from increasing beyond three things. Refactoring the existing code to comply with SRP might require more work than is strictly necessary. It's up to your project how far they want to take SRP.
add a comment |
Currently SaveChanges
does two things: it saves the changes and logs that it does so. Now you want to add another thing to it: send email notifications.
You had the clever idea to add an event to it, but this was criticised for violating the Single Responsibility Principle (SRP), without noticing that it had already been violated.
To get a pure SRP solution, first trigger the event, then call all the hooks for that event, of which there are now three: saving, logging, and finally sending emails.
Either you trigger the event first, or you have to add to SaveChanges
. Your solution is a hybrid between the two. It doesn't address the existing violation while it does encourage preventing it from increasing beyond three things. Refactoring the existing code to comply with SRP might require more work than is strictly necessary. It's up to your project how far they want to take SRP.
add a comment |
Currently SaveChanges
does two things: it saves the changes and logs that it does so. Now you want to add another thing to it: send email notifications.
You had the clever idea to add an event to it, but this was criticised for violating the Single Responsibility Principle (SRP), without noticing that it had already been violated.
To get a pure SRP solution, first trigger the event, then call all the hooks for that event, of which there are now three: saving, logging, and finally sending emails.
Either you trigger the event first, or you have to add to SaveChanges
. Your solution is a hybrid between the two. It doesn't address the existing violation while it does encourage preventing it from increasing beyond three things. Refactoring the existing code to comply with SRP might require more work than is strictly necessary. It's up to your project how far they want to take SRP.
Currently SaveChanges
does two things: it saves the changes and logs that it does so. Now you want to add another thing to it: send email notifications.
You had the clever idea to add an event to it, but this was criticised for violating the Single Responsibility Principle (SRP), without noticing that it had already been violated.
To get a pure SRP solution, first trigger the event, then call all the hooks for that event, of which there are now three: saving, logging, and finally sending emails.
Either you trigger the event first, or you have to add to SaveChanges
. Your solution is a hybrid between the two. It doesn't address the existing violation while it does encourage preventing it from increasing beyond three things. Refactoring the existing code to comply with SRP might require more work than is strictly necessary. It's up to your project how far they want to take SRP.
answered 6 hours ago
CJ DennisCJ Dennis
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Your retort is: "OK, so how would you write it so that it doesn't violate SRP but still allows a single point of modification?"
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
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My observation is that raising an event does not add an additional responsibility. In fact, quite the opposite: it delegates the responsibility somewhere else.
– Robert Harvey♦
15 hours ago
I think your coworker is right, but your question is valid and useful, so upvoted!
– Andres F.
13 hours ago
5
There's no such thing as a definitive definition of a Single Responsibility. The person pointing out that it violates SRP is correct using their personal definition and you are correct using your definition. I think your design is perfectly fine with the caveat that this event isn't a one-off whereby other similar functionality is done in different ways. Consistency is far, far, far more important to pay attention to than some vague guideline like SRP which carried to the extreme ends up with tons of very easy to understand classes that nobody knows how to make work in a system.
– Dunk
11 hours ago
Does
SaveChanges
update multiple users?– Nishant
6 hours ago