Is the destination of a commercial flight important for the pilot? [duplicate]
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Do airline pilots routinely carry out “gross error” checks?
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As has been recently advertised (in here, here, here also), a recent British Airways flight from London City Airport destined for Düsseldorf mistakenly flew its passengers to Edinburgh instead.
I'm a layman in terms of aviation, but I (and I'm sure many more do) do see aviation as a strictly regulated area full of double-checks, double instruments (even 2 pilots!) to make sure an airplane is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.
Perhaps mine is a rather car-centric view, but I can't imagine starting the engine of the car without knowing clearly where I'm heading, which landmarks, roads (and so on) I'm supposed to pass by during the route.
TL;DR:
Must (or should) both pilots know where he airplane they are flying is going to? Or do they simply follow an approved flight path?
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Do airline pilots routinely carry out “gross error” checks?
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As has been recently advertised (in here, here, here also), a recent British Airways flight from London City Airport destined for Düsseldorf mistakenly flew its passengers to Edinburgh instead.
I'm a layman in terms of aviation, but I (and I'm sure many more do) do see aviation as a strictly regulated area full of double-checks, double instruments (even 2 pilots!) to make sure an airplane is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.
Perhaps mine is a rather car-centric view, but I can't imagine starting the engine of the car without knowing clearly where I'm heading, which landmarks, roads (and so on) I'm supposed to pass by during the route.
TL;DR:
Must (or should) both pilots know where he airplane they are flying is going to? Or do they simply follow an approved flight path?
navigation flight-planning
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In reality that flight was not operated by BA, rather it was a flight contracted from BA to a 3rd party. The pilots received information to go to Edinburgh and that's what they executed: this probably because of a mistake that happened in the chain of control. The only thing I am wondering is what they said on the PA
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– Afe
13 hours ago
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@Afe A simple call from the pilots: "Our estimated flight to Edinburgh is 1-hour and weather is fine there" should suffice!
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– gmauch
13 hours ago
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I was on a flight once where the pilot said, "Just checking everybody on the plane either wants to or has to go to [small backwater town]."
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– Greg Hewgill
12 hours ago
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@gmauch everyone was already sleeping before T/O?
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– Afe
10 hours ago
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Flying surely is nice regardless where but much less so about the landing. Somewhat strange question. Voting to close.
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– h22
2 hours ago
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Do airline pilots routinely carry out “gross error” checks?
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As has been recently advertised (in here, here, here also), a recent British Airways flight from London City Airport destined for Düsseldorf mistakenly flew its passengers to Edinburgh instead.
I'm a layman in terms of aviation, but I (and I'm sure many more do) do see aviation as a strictly regulated area full of double-checks, double instruments (even 2 pilots!) to make sure an airplane is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.
Perhaps mine is a rather car-centric view, but I can't imagine starting the engine of the car without knowing clearly where I'm heading, which landmarks, roads (and so on) I'm supposed to pass by during the route.
TL;DR:
Must (or should) both pilots know where he airplane they are flying is going to? Or do they simply follow an approved flight path?
navigation flight-planning
asked 14 hours ago
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Do airline pilots routinely carry out “gross error” checks?
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As has been recently advertised (in here, here, here also), a recent British Airways flight from London City Airport destined for Düsseldorf mistakenly flew its passengers to Edinburgh instead.
I'm a layman in terms of aviation, but I (and I'm sure many more do) do see aviation as a strictly regulated area full of double-checks, double instruments (even 2 pilots!) to make sure an airplane is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.
Perhaps mine is a rather car-centric view, but I can't imagine starting the engine of the car without knowing clearly where I'm heading, which landmarks, roads (and so on) I'm supposed to pass by during the route.
TL;DR:
Must (or should) both pilots know where he airplane they are flying is going to? Or do they simply follow an approved flight path?
This question already has an answer here:
Do airline pilots routinely carry out “gross error” checks?
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marked as duplicate by fooot, ymb1, Sean, xxavier, h22 2 hours ago
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In reality that flight was not operated by BA, rather it was a flight contracted from BA to a 3rd party. The pilots received information to go to Edinburgh and that's what they executed: this probably because of a mistake that happened in the chain of control. The only thing I am wondering is what they said on the PA
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– Afe
13 hours ago
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@Afe A simple call from the pilots: "Our estimated flight to Edinburgh is 1-hour and weather is fine there" should suffice!
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– gmauch
13 hours ago
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I was on a flight once where the pilot said, "Just checking everybody on the plane either wants to or has to go to [small backwater town]."
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– Greg Hewgill
12 hours ago
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@gmauch everyone was already sleeping before T/O?
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– Afe
10 hours ago
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Flying surely is nice regardless where but much less so about the landing. Somewhat strange question. Voting to close.
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– h22
2 hours ago
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In reality that flight was not operated by BA, rather it was a flight contracted from BA to a 3rd party. The pilots received information to go to Edinburgh and that's what they executed: this probably because of a mistake that happened in the chain of control. The only thing I am wondering is what they said on the PA
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– Afe
13 hours ago
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@Afe A simple call from the pilots: "Our estimated flight to Edinburgh is 1-hour and weather is fine there" should suffice!
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– gmauch
13 hours ago
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I was on a flight once where the pilot said, "Just checking everybody on the plane either wants to or has to go to [small backwater town]."
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– Greg Hewgill
12 hours ago
1
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@gmauch everyone was already sleeping before T/O?
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– Afe
10 hours ago
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Flying surely is nice regardless where but much less so about the landing. Somewhat strange question. Voting to close.
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– h22
2 hours ago
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In reality that flight was not operated by BA, rather it was a flight contracted from BA to a 3rd party. The pilots received information to go to Edinburgh and that's what they executed: this probably because of a mistake that happened in the chain of control. The only thing I am wondering is what they said on the PA
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– Afe
13 hours ago
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In reality that flight was not operated by BA, rather it was a flight contracted from BA to a 3rd party. The pilots received information to go to Edinburgh and that's what they executed: this probably because of a mistake that happened in the chain of control. The only thing I am wondering is what they said on the PA
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– Afe
13 hours ago
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@Afe A simple call from the pilots: "Our estimated flight to Edinburgh is 1-hour and weather is fine there" should suffice!
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– gmauch
13 hours ago
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@Afe A simple call from the pilots: "Our estimated flight to Edinburgh is 1-hour and weather is fine there" should suffice!
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– gmauch
13 hours ago
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I was on a flight once where the pilot said, "Just checking everybody on the plane either wants to or has to go to [small backwater town]."
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– Greg Hewgill
12 hours ago
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I was on a flight once where the pilot said, "Just checking everybody on the plane either wants to or has to go to [small backwater town]."
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– Greg Hewgill
12 hours ago
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@gmauch everyone was already sleeping before T/O?
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– Afe
10 hours ago
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@gmauch everyone was already sleeping before T/O?
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– Afe
10 hours ago
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Flying surely is nice regardless where but much less so about the landing. Somewhat strange question. Voting to close.
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– h22
2 hours ago
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Flying surely is nice regardless where but much less so about the landing. Somewhat strange question. Voting to close.
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– h22
2 hours ago
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The pilots in this case did know where they were going. They received instructions from their employer to fly the plane to Edinburgh, they received a flight plan to Edinburgh for that plane, and ATC happily routed their plane along its flight plan to Edinburgh. Everything matched exactly how it was supposed to, and the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong; they did exactly what they were told to do, as thousands of commercial pilots do every day.
The dispatchers involved could use improvement, though.
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For commercial flying, yes both pilots should know where they are going and the general direction/course they are flying but they do in-fact follow an approved path and are subject to ATC vectors. The reality is that pilots who fly short haul may fly numerous flights in a day to various destinations with limited time in between flights to regroup. Flight plans, load sheets and planning may very well be done by a dispatcher and simply handed to the crew when they arrive at the aircraft. It is possible to get confused, typically there is some navigational programing or FMS input that would force the pilot to review the path. However confusion like this has occurred before as was the case with Varig Flight 254 which simply entered the wrong heading into the autopilot and ended up lost and low on fuel.
In the case of general aviation this may be less of the case. While generally you take a small plane up to go from one place to another there are those that pull the old cub out on the weekend and just go fly around the area to do some sightseeing. This is more just for the joy of flying...
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The pilots in this case did know where they were going. They received instructions from their employer to fly the plane to Edinburgh, they received a flight plan to Edinburgh for that plane, and ATC happily routed their plane along its flight plan to Edinburgh. Everything matched exactly how it was supposed to, and the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong; they did exactly what they were told to do, as thousands of commercial pilots do every day.
The dispatchers involved could use improvement, though.
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The pilots in this case did know where they were going. They received instructions from their employer to fly the plane to Edinburgh, they received a flight plan to Edinburgh for that plane, and ATC happily routed their plane along its flight plan to Edinburgh. Everything matched exactly how it was supposed to, and the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong; they did exactly what they were told to do, as thousands of commercial pilots do every day.
The dispatchers involved could use improvement, though.
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answered 12 hours ago
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The pilots in this case did know where they were going. They received instructions from their employer to fly the plane to Edinburgh, they received a flight plan to Edinburgh for that plane, and ATC happily routed their plane along its flight plan to Edinburgh. Everything matched exactly how it was supposed to, and the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong; they did exactly what they were told to do, as thousands of commercial pilots do every day.
The dispatchers involved could use improvement, though.
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answered 12 hours ago
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The pilots in this case did know where they were going. They received instructions from their employer to fly the plane to Edinburgh, they received a flight plan to Edinburgh for that plane, and ATC happily routed their plane along its flight plan to Edinburgh. Everything matched exactly how it was supposed to, and the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong; they did exactly what they were told to do, as thousands of commercial pilots do every day.
The dispatchers involved could use improvement, though.
edited 3 hours ago
a CVn
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answered 12 hours ago
StephenSStephenS
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edited 3 hours ago
a CVn
4,42921850
edited 3 hours ago
a CVn
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edited 3 hours ago
a CVn
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4,42921850
answered 12 hours ago
StephenSStephenS
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answered 12 hours ago
StephenSStephenS
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answered 12 hours ago
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For commercial flying, yes both pilots should know where they are going and the general direction/course they are flying but they do in-fact follow an approved path and are subject to ATC vectors. The reality is that pilots who fly short haul may fly numerous flights in a day to various destinations with limited time in between flights to regroup. Flight plans, load sheets and planning may very well be done by a dispatcher and simply handed to the crew when they arrive at the aircraft. It is possible to get confused, typically there is some navigational programing or FMS input that would force the pilot to review the path. However confusion like this has occurred before as was the case with Varig Flight 254 which simply entered the wrong heading into the autopilot and ended up lost and low on fuel.
In the case of general aviation this may be less of the case. While generally you take a small plane up to go from one place to another there are those that pull the old cub out on the weekend and just go fly around the area to do some sightseeing. This is more just for the joy of flying...
answered 14 hours ago
DaveDave
67.7k4127243
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For commercial flying, yes both pilots should know where they are going and the general direction/course they are flying but they do in-fact follow an approved path and are subject to ATC vectors. The reality is that pilots who fly short haul may fly numerous flights in a day to various destinations with limited time in between flights to regroup. Flight plans, load sheets and planning may very well be done by a dispatcher and simply handed to the crew when they arrive at the aircraft. It is possible to get confused, typically there is some navigational programing or FMS input that would force the pilot to review the path. However confusion like this has occurred before as was the case with Varig Flight 254 which simply entered the wrong heading into the autopilot and ended up lost and low on fuel.
In the case of general aviation this may be less of the case. While generally you take a small plane up to go from one place to another there are those that pull the old cub out on the weekend and just go fly around the area to do some sightseeing. This is more just for the joy of flying...
answered 14 hours ago
DaveDave
67.7k4127243
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add a comment |
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For commercial flying, yes both pilots should know where they are going and the general direction/course they are flying but they do in-fact follow an approved path and are subject to ATC vectors. The reality is that pilots who fly short haul may fly numerous flights in a day to various destinations with limited time in between flights to regroup. Flight plans, load sheets and planning may very well be done by a dispatcher and simply handed to the crew when they arrive at the aircraft. It is possible to get confused, typically there is some navigational programing or FMS input that would force the pilot to review the path. However confusion like this has occurred before as was the case with Varig Flight 254 which simply entered the wrong heading into the autopilot and ended up lost and low on fuel.
In the case of general aviation this may be less of the case. While generally you take a small plane up to go from one place to another there are those that pull the old cub out on the weekend and just go fly around the area to do some sightseeing. This is more just for the joy of flying...
answered 14 hours ago
DaveDave
67.7k4127243
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For commercial flying, yes both pilots should know where they are going and the general direction/course they are flying but they do in-fact follow an approved path and are subject to ATC vectors. The reality is that pilots who fly short haul may fly numerous flights in a day to various destinations with limited time in between flights to regroup. Flight plans, load sheets and planning may very well be done by a dispatcher and simply handed to the crew when they arrive at the aircraft. It is possible to get confused, typically there is some navigational programing or FMS input that would force the pilot to review the path. However confusion like this has occurred before as was the case with Varig Flight 254 which simply entered the wrong heading into the autopilot and ended up lost and low on fuel.
In the case of general aviation this may be less of the case. While generally you take a small plane up to go from one place to another there are those that pull the old cub out on the weekend and just go fly around the area to do some sightseeing. This is more just for the joy of flying...
answered 14 hours ago
DaveDave
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answered 14 hours ago
DaveDave
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answered 14 hours ago
DaveDave
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answered 14 hours ago
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In reality that flight was not operated by BA, rather it was a flight contracted from BA to a 3rd party. The pilots received information to go to Edinburgh and that's what they executed: this probably because of a mistake that happened in the chain of control. The only thing I am wondering is what they said on the PA
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– Afe
13 hours ago
1
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@Afe A simple call from the pilots: "Our estimated flight to Edinburgh is 1-hour and weather is fine there" should suffice!
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– gmauch
13 hours ago
3
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I was on a flight once where the pilot said, "Just checking everybody on the plane either wants to or has to go to [small backwater town]."
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– Greg Hewgill
12 hours ago
1
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@gmauch everyone was already sleeping before T/O?
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– Afe
10 hours ago
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Flying surely is nice regardless where but much less so about the landing. Somewhat strange question. Voting to close.
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– h22
2 hours ago