If a Druid sees an animal’s corpse, can they Wild Shape into that animal?





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The Druid’s Wild Shape feature says:




you can use your action to magically assume the shape of a beast that you have seen before.




However, if a Druid sees the creature’s corpse, can they turn into a living version of the creature?






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The Druid’s Wild Shape feature says:




you can use your action to magically assume the shape of a beast that you have seen before.




However, if a Druid sees the creature’s corpse, can they turn into a living version of the creature?






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The Druid’s Wild Shape feature says:




you can use your action to magically assume the shape of a beast that you have seen before.




However, if a Druid sees the creature’s corpse, can they turn into a living version of the creature?






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The Druid’s Wild Shape feature says:




you can use your action to magically assume the shape of a beast that you have seen before.




However, if a Druid sees the creature’s corpse, can they turn into a living version of the creature?






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On a literal reading, no



Corpses are objects. Jeremy Crawford has unofficially advised as much on Twitter:




A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object.




And see Is a dead creature's body considered an "object"? which addresses this.



A beast is a type of creature. So, having seen an animal's corpse, you haven't seen a beast.



From an in-universe point of view, you could perhaps justify this by saying the Druid needs to see how the beast moves before turning into it.



Many DMs might rule you could



My above answer is a painfully literal reading of the rules, and I personally would allow a Druid who'd seen an animal's corpse to turn into it.






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    A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
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    I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
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    Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
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I am not aware of any written rules to support this answer, so we'll have to go with what makes sense.



You can Wild Shape into the shape of dead animals.



It seems overly pedantic to assume that the beast is no longer similar enough to itself when it was alive that you don't gain what you need to be able to morph into it. Especially since you only need to see it in order to use the ability (rather than needing to touch a living, breathing thing).



And just to throw in the "plain English interpretation", the corpse is still the "shape of a beast" that you have seen before; you saw the "shape of a beast"(assuming that it hasn't been butchered or something similarly disfiguring).






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On a literal reading, no



Corpses are objects. Jeremy Crawford has unofficially advised as much on Twitter:




A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object.




And see Is a dead creature's body considered an "object"? which addresses this.



A beast is a type of creature. So, having seen an animal's corpse, you haven't seen a beast.



From an in-universe point of view, you could perhaps justify this by saying the Druid needs to see how the beast moves before turning into it.



Many DMs might rule you could



My above answer is a painfully literal reading of the rules, and I personally would allow a Druid who'd seen an animal's corpse to turn into it.






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    $begingroup$
    A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
    $endgroup$
    – Blake Steel
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
    $endgroup$
    – 3C273
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
    $endgroup$
    – Aeyt
    3 hours ago
















20












$begingroup$

On a literal reading, no



Corpses are objects. Jeremy Crawford has unofficially advised as much on Twitter:




A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object.




And see Is a dead creature's body considered an "object"? which addresses this.



A beast is a type of creature. So, having seen an animal's corpse, you haven't seen a beast.



From an in-universe point of view, you could perhaps justify this by saying the Druid needs to see how the beast moves before turning into it.



Many DMs might rule you could



My above answer is a painfully literal reading of the rules, and I personally would allow a Druid who'd seen an animal's corpse to turn into it.






share|improve this answer











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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
    $endgroup$
    – Blake Steel
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
    $endgroup$
    – 3C273
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
    $endgroup$
    – Aeyt
    3 hours ago














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20





$begingroup$

On a literal reading, no



Corpses are objects. Jeremy Crawford has unofficially advised as much on Twitter:




A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object.




And see Is a dead creature's body considered an "object"? which addresses this.



A beast is a type of creature. So, having seen an animal's corpse, you haven't seen a beast.



From an in-universe point of view, you could perhaps justify this by saying the Druid needs to see how the beast moves before turning into it.



Many DMs might rule you could



My above answer is a painfully literal reading of the rules, and I personally would allow a Druid who'd seen an animal's corpse to turn into it.






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



On a literal reading, no



Corpses are objects. Jeremy Crawford has unofficially advised as much on Twitter:




A non-undead corpse isn't considered a creature. It's effectively an object.




And see Is a dead creature's body considered an "object"? which addresses this.



A beast is a type of creature. So, having seen an animal's corpse, you haven't seen a beast.



From an in-universe point of view, you could perhaps justify this by saying the Druid needs to see how the beast moves before turning into it.



Many DMs might rule you could



My above answer is a painfully literal reading of the rules, and I personally would allow a Druid who'd seen an animal's corpse to turn into it.







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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
    $endgroup$
    – Blake Steel
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
    $endgroup$
    – 3C273
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
    $endgroup$
    – Aeyt
    3 hours ago














  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
    $endgroup$
    – Blake Steel
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
    $endgroup$
    – 3C273
    5 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
    $endgroup$
    – Aeyt
    3 hours ago








3




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$begingroup$
A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
12 hours ago




$begingroup$
A little support for the "no" RAW answer: sageadvice.eu/2015/05/14/corpse-creature-or-object
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
12 hours ago




3




3




$begingroup$
I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
$endgroup$
– 3C273
5 hours ago




$begingroup$
I'd like to point out how much I smiled at the admission of how painfully literal the RAW reading is. Enjoy many a +1, good sir.
$endgroup$
– 3C273
5 hours ago












$begingroup$
Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
$endgroup$
– Aeyt
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
Let's try to remember that both Sage Advice and Twitter are not official rulings. They are opinions, perhaps very well informed opinions, but opinions all the same. It's not equal to the official rules saying one thing or another.
$endgroup$
– Aeyt
3 hours ago













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I am not aware of any written rules to support this answer, so we'll have to go with what makes sense.



You can Wild Shape into the shape of dead animals.



It seems overly pedantic to assume that the beast is no longer similar enough to itself when it was alive that you don't gain what you need to be able to morph into it. Especially since you only need to see it in order to use the ability (rather than needing to touch a living, breathing thing).



And just to throw in the "plain English interpretation", the corpse is still the "shape of a beast" that you have seen before; you saw the "shape of a beast"(assuming that it hasn't been butchered or something similarly disfiguring).






share|improve this answer











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    I assume you mean Wild Shape rather than Shapechange?
    $endgroup$
    – Vigil
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Vigil fixed, thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – goodguy5
    12 hours ago
















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I am not aware of any written rules to support this answer, so we'll have to go with what makes sense.



You can Wild Shape into the shape of dead animals.



It seems overly pedantic to assume that the beast is no longer similar enough to itself when it was alive that you don't gain what you need to be able to morph into it. Especially since you only need to see it in order to use the ability (rather than needing to touch a living, breathing thing).



And just to throw in the "plain English interpretation", the corpse is still the "shape of a beast" that you have seen before; you saw the "shape of a beast"(assuming that it hasn't been butchered or something similarly disfiguring).






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    I assume you mean Wild Shape rather than Shapechange?
    $endgroup$
    – Vigil
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Vigil fixed, thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – goodguy5
    12 hours ago














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$begingroup$

I am not aware of any written rules to support this answer, so we'll have to go with what makes sense.



You can Wild Shape into the shape of dead animals.



It seems overly pedantic to assume that the beast is no longer similar enough to itself when it was alive that you don't gain what you need to be able to morph into it. Especially since you only need to see it in order to use the ability (rather than needing to touch a living, breathing thing).



And just to throw in the "plain English interpretation", the corpse is still the "shape of a beast" that you have seen before; you saw the "shape of a beast"(assuming that it hasn't been butchered or something similarly disfiguring).






share|improve this answer











$endgroup$



I am not aware of any written rules to support this answer, so we'll have to go with what makes sense.



You can Wild Shape into the shape of dead animals.



It seems overly pedantic to assume that the beast is no longer similar enough to itself when it was alive that you don't gain what you need to be able to morph into it. Especially since you only need to see it in order to use the ability (rather than needing to touch a living, breathing thing).



And just to throw in the "plain English interpretation", the corpse is still the "shape of a beast" that you have seen before; you saw the "shape of a beast"(assuming that it hasn't been butchered or something similarly disfiguring).







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    I assume you mean Wild Shape rather than Shapechange?
    $endgroup$
    – Vigil
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    @Vigil fixed, thanks!
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  • $begingroup$
    I assume you mean Wild Shape rather than Shapechange?
    $endgroup$
    – Vigil
    12 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Vigil fixed, thanks!
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    – goodguy5
    12 hours ago
















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I assume you mean Wild Shape rather than Shapechange?
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– Vigil
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I assume you mean Wild Shape rather than Shapechange?
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@Vigil fixed, thanks!
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@Vigil fixed, thanks!
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