Quickest way to find $a^5+b^5+c^5$ given that $a+b+c=1$, $a^2+b^2+c^2=2$ and $a^3+b^3+c^3=3$












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$$text{If} cases{a+b+c=1 \ a^2+b^2+c^2=2 \a^3+b^3+c^3=3}
text{then} a^5+b^5+c^5= ?$$




A YouTuber solved this problem recently and, though he spent some time explaining it, took over 40 minutes to solve it.



Like the video, the best I can do with this is relying on expansion formulas and substitution. As trivial a problem this is, the numerous trinomials and binomials with mixed terms makes it very, very tedious.



What is the quickest/shortest approach to this problem (meaning it doesn't need to be solved algebraically)? You don't have to type the entire solution out, I think if I'm given a good hint then I can take it from there.










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    $$text{If} cases{a+b+c=1 \ a^2+b^2+c^2=2 \a^3+b^3+c^3=3}
    text{then} a^5+b^5+c^5= ?$$




    A YouTuber solved this problem recently and, though he spent some time explaining it, took over 40 minutes to solve it.



    Like the video, the best I can do with this is relying on expansion formulas and substitution. As trivial a problem this is, the numerous trinomials and binomials with mixed terms makes it very, very tedious.



    What is the quickest/shortest approach to this problem (meaning it doesn't need to be solved algebraically)? You don't have to type the entire solution out, I think if I'm given a good hint then I can take it from there.










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      $$text{If} cases{a+b+c=1 \ a^2+b^2+c^2=2 \a^3+b^3+c^3=3}
      text{then} a^5+b^5+c^5= ?$$




      A YouTuber solved this problem recently and, though he spent some time explaining it, took over 40 minutes to solve it.



      Like the video, the best I can do with this is relying on expansion formulas and substitution. As trivial a problem this is, the numerous trinomials and binomials with mixed terms makes it very, very tedious.



      What is the quickest/shortest approach to this problem (meaning it doesn't need to be solved algebraically)? You don't have to type the entire solution out, I think if I'm given a good hint then I can take it from there.










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      $$text{If} cases{a+b+c=1 \ a^2+b^2+c^2=2 \a^3+b^3+c^3=3}
      text{then} a^5+b^5+c^5= ?$$




      A YouTuber solved this problem recently and, though he spent some time explaining it, took over 40 minutes to solve it.



      Like the video, the best I can do with this is relying on expansion formulas and substitution. As trivial a problem this is, the numerous trinomials and binomials with mixed terms makes it very, very tedious.



      What is the quickest/shortest approach to this problem (meaning it doesn't need to be solved algebraically)? You don't have to type the entire solution out, I think if I'm given a good hint then I can take it from there.







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          Let's start with the basic symmetric expressions: $ab+bc+ca$ and $abc$. You can refer to giannispapav's answer for details, which shows that
          $$ab+bc+ca = -1/2, abc = 1/6.$$



          With that, Vieta's formulas implies that $a,b,c$ satisfy:
          $$ x^3 -x^2 - x/2 -1/6=0,tag{1}$$
          Or
          $$x^3 = x^2 + x/2 + 1/6.$$



          That means, for $x$ equals $a,b,c$,
          $$x^4 = x^3 + x^2/2 + x/6,$$
          and
          $$x^5 = x^4 + x^3/2 + x^2/6.$$
          Adding the two equations above, we have
          $$x^5 = frac32x^3 + frac23x^2 + frac16x.$$
          Now replace $x$ as $a,b,c$ and add them all up, we have
          $$a^5+b^5+c^5 = frac32(a^3+b^3+c^3) + frac23(a^2+b^2+c^2) + frac16(a+b+c).$$





          Note: if you feels that
          $$a^3+b^3+c^3 - 3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2 - ab - bc - ca)$$
          is too complicated to verify, then Vieta's formulas is the way to go. That is, replace $a,b, c$ in Equation $1$ and add them up, where $1/6$ is indeed $abc$ as in Vieta's formula.






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            $$
            begin{aligned}
            e_{1}&=p_{1}\
            2e_{2}&=e_{1}p_{1}-p_{2}\
            3e_{3}&=e_{2}p_{1}-e_{1}p_{2}+p_{3}\
            4e_{4}&=e_{3}p_{1}-e_{2}p_{2}+e_{1}p_{3}-p_{4}\
            5e_{5}&=e_{4}p_{1}-e_{3}p_{2}+e_{2}p_{3}-e_{1}p_{4}+p_{5}\
            end{aligned}
            $$

            with $p_1=1,p_2=2,p_3=3,e_4=0, e_5=0$, we get $p_5 = 6$.






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              This answer is almost in the same spirit as @Quang Hoang's, but I hope this answer will add something. Let $$
              P(z) = (z-a)(z-b)(z-c)=z^3-sigma_1 z^2+sigma_2 z-sigma_3
              $$
              where $sigma_1=a+b+c$, $sigma_2=ab+bc+ca$ and $sigma_3=abc$ by Vieta's formula. Note that for $zin {a,b,c}$,
              $$
              z^{n+3} =sigma_1 z^{n+2}-sigma_2 z^{n+1}+sigma_3 z^n,
              $$
              hence by summing over $zin {a,b,c}$, we get recurrence relation
              $$
              s_{n+3}= sigma_1 s_{n+2}-sigma_2 s_{n+1}+sigma_3 s_n
              $$
              for $s_n = a^n+b^n+c^n$. Given the data, it can be easily noted that $$sigma_1=1 ,quad sigma_2 =frac 12 left((a+b+c)^2-(a^2+b^2+c^2)right)=-frac 12.$$ And by plugging $n=0$, we obtain
              $$
              3=1cdot 2+frac 12cdot 1 +sigma_3 s_0=2.5 + sigma_3s_0,
              $$
              so $sigma_3=abcne 0$ and $s_0=a^0+b^0+c^0=3$. This gives $sigma_3=frac 1 6$, implying that
              $$
              s_{n+3}=s_{n+2}+frac 12 s_{n+1}+frac 1 6 s_{n},quad forall nge 0.
              $$
              Now $s_4 =frac {25}{6}$ and $s_5=6$ follows from the initial data $(s_3,s_2,s_1)=(3,2,1)$.

              Note : The theory of homogeneous linear difference equations is behind it.






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                You can use



                $a^4+b^4+c^4=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2-2(a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2)$,



                $(ab+ac+bc)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(ab+ac+bc)$,



                $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-ac-bc)$,



                $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$






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                  How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
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                Fun video!



                Much time was spent on finding $abc=1/6$.



                Alternative method for this:
                $$begin{align}a^2+b^2&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                (a+b)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                (1-c)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                ab&=c^2-c-frac12 Rightarrow \
                abc&=c^3-c^2-frac c2 end{align}$$

                Similarly:
                $$abc=a^3-a^2-frac a2\
                abc=b^3-b^2-frac b2$$

                Now adding them up:
                $$3abc=(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2+b^2+c^2)-frac12(a+b+c)=3-2-frac12 Rightarrow abc=frac16.$$
                In fact, you can find other terms as well:
                $$ab+bc+ca=(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)-frac32=2-1-frac32=-frac12;\
                a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2=ab(c^2-c-frac12)+bc(a^2-a-frac12)+ca(b^2-b-frac12)=\
                abc(a+b+c)-3abc-frac12(ab+bc+ca)=\
                frac16-frac12+frac14=-frac1{12}$$

                Hence:
                $$a^5+b^5+c^5=(a^2+b^2+c^2)(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)+abc(ab+bc+ca)=\
                2cdot 3-(-frac1{12})+frac16cdot (-frac12)=6.$$






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                  Let's start with the basic symmetric expressions: $ab+bc+ca$ and $abc$. You can refer to giannispapav's answer for details, which shows that
                  $$ab+bc+ca = -1/2, abc = 1/6.$$



                  With that, Vieta's formulas implies that $a,b,c$ satisfy:
                  $$ x^3 -x^2 - x/2 -1/6=0,tag{1}$$
                  Or
                  $$x^3 = x^2 + x/2 + 1/6.$$



                  That means, for $x$ equals $a,b,c$,
                  $$x^4 = x^3 + x^2/2 + x/6,$$
                  and
                  $$x^5 = x^4 + x^3/2 + x^2/6.$$
                  Adding the two equations above, we have
                  $$x^5 = frac32x^3 + frac23x^2 + frac16x.$$
                  Now replace $x$ as $a,b,c$ and add them all up, we have
                  $$a^5+b^5+c^5 = frac32(a^3+b^3+c^3) + frac23(a^2+b^2+c^2) + frac16(a+b+c).$$





                  Note: if you feels that
                  $$a^3+b^3+c^3 - 3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2 - ab - bc - ca)$$
                  is too complicated to verify, then Vieta's formulas is the way to go. That is, replace $a,b, c$ in Equation $1$ and add them up, where $1/6$ is indeed $abc$ as in Vieta's formula.






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                    Let's start with the basic symmetric expressions: $ab+bc+ca$ and $abc$. You can refer to giannispapav's answer for details, which shows that
                    $$ab+bc+ca = -1/2, abc = 1/6.$$



                    With that, Vieta's formulas implies that $a,b,c$ satisfy:
                    $$ x^3 -x^2 - x/2 -1/6=0,tag{1}$$
                    Or
                    $$x^3 = x^2 + x/2 + 1/6.$$



                    That means, for $x$ equals $a,b,c$,
                    $$x^4 = x^3 + x^2/2 + x/6,$$
                    and
                    $$x^5 = x^4 + x^3/2 + x^2/6.$$
                    Adding the two equations above, we have
                    $$x^5 = frac32x^3 + frac23x^2 + frac16x.$$
                    Now replace $x$ as $a,b,c$ and add them all up, we have
                    $$a^5+b^5+c^5 = frac32(a^3+b^3+c^3) + frac23(a^2+b^2+c^2) + frac16(a+b+c).$$





                    Note: if you feels that
                    $$a^3+b^3+c^3 - 3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2 - ab - bc - ca)$$
                    is too complicated to verify, then Vieta's formulas is the way to go. That is, replace $a,b, c$ in Equation $1$ and add them up, where $1/6$ is indeed $abc$ as in Vieta's formula.






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                      Let's start with the basic symmetric expressions: $ab+bc+ca$ and $abc$. You can refer to giannispapav's answer for details, which shows that
                      $$ab+bc+ca = -1/2, abc = 1/6.$$



                      With that, Vieta's formulas implies that $a,b,c$ satisfy:
                      $$ x^3 -x^2 - x/2 -1/6=0,tag{1}$$
                      Or
                      $$x^3 = x^2 + x/2 + 1/6.$$



                      That means, for $x$ equals $a,b,c$,
                      $$x^4 = x^3 + x^2/2 + x/6,$$
                      and
                      $$x^5 = x^4 + x^3/2 + x^2/6.$$
                      Adding the two equations above, we have
                      $$x^5 = frac32x^3 + frac23x^2 + frac16x.$$
                      Now replace $x$ as $a,b,c$ and add them all up, we have
                      $$a^5+b^5+c^5 = frac32(a^3+b^3+c^3) + frac23(a^2+b^2+c^2) + frac16(a+b+c).$$





                      Note: if you feels that
                      $$a^3+b^3+c^3 - 3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2 - ab - bc - ca)$$
                      is too complicated to verify, then Vieta's formulas is the way to go. That is, replace $a,b, c$ in Equation $1$ and add them up, where $1/6$ is indeed $abc$ as in Vieta's formula.






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                      Let's start with the basic symmetric expressions: $ab+bc+ca$ and $abc$. You can refer to giannispapav's answer for details, which shows that
                      $$ab+bc+ca = -1/2, abc = 1/6.$$



                      With that, Vieta's formulas implies that $a,b,c$ satisfy:
                      $$ x^3 -x^2 - x/2 -1/6=0,tag{1}$$
                      Or
                      $$x^3 = x^2 + x/2 + 1/6.$$



                      That means, for $x$ equals $a,b,c$,
                      $$x^4 = x^3 + x^2/2 + x/6,$$
                      and
                      $$x^5 = x^4 + x^3/2 + x^2/6.$$
                      Adding the two equations above, we have
                      $$x^5 = frac32x^3 + frac23x^2 + frac16x.$$
                      Now replace $x$ as $a,b,c$ and add them all up, we have
                      $$a^5+b^5+c^5 = frac32(a^3+b^3+c^3) + frac23(a^2+b^2+c^2) + frac16(a+b+c).$$





                      Note: if you feels that
                      $$a^3+b^3+c^3 - 3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2 - ab - bc - ca)$$
                      is too complicated to verify, then Vieta's formulas is the way to go. That is, replace $a,b, c$ in Equation $1$ and add them up, where $1/6$ is indeed $abc$ as in Vieta's formula.







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                          Using Newton's identities



                          $$
                          begin{aligned}
                          e_{1}&=p_{1}\
                          2e_{2}&=e_{1}p_{1}-p_{2}\
                          3e_{3}&=e_{2}p_{1}-e_{1}p_{2}+p_{3}\
                          4e_{4}&=e_{3}p_{1}-e_{2}p_{2}+e_{1}p_{3}-p_{4}\
                          5e_{5}&=e_{4}p_{1}-e_{3}p_{2}+e_{2}p_{3}-e_{1}p_{4}+p_{5}\
                          end{aligned}
                          $$

                          with $p_1=1,p_2=2,p_3=3,e_4=0, e_5=0$, we get $p_5 = 6$.






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                            $$
                            begin{aligned}
                            e_{1}&=p_{1}\
                            2e_{2}&=e_{1}p_{1}-p_{2}\
                            3e_{3}&=e_{2}p_{1}-e_{1}p_{2}+p_{3}\
                            4e_{4}&=e_{3}p_{1}-e_{2}p_{2}+e_{1}p_{3}-p_{4}\
                            5e_{5}&=e_{4}p_{1}-e_{3}p_{2}+e_{2}p_{3}-e_{1}p_{4}+p_{5}\
                            end{aligned}
                            $$

                            with $p_1=1,p_2=2,p_3=3,e_4=0, e_5=0$, we get $p_5 = 6$.






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                              $$
                              begin{aligned}
                              e_{1}&=p_{1}\
                              2e_{2}&=e_{1}p_{1}-p_{2}\
                              3e_{3}&=e_{2}p_{1}-e_{1}p_{2}+p_{3}\
                              4e_{4}&=e_{3}p_{1}-e_{2}p_{2}+e_{1}p_{3}-p_{4}\
                              5e_{5}&=e_{4}p_{1}-e_{3}p_{2}+e_{2}p_{3}-e_{1}p_{4}+p_{5}\
                              end{aligned}
                              $$

                              with $p_1=1,p_2=2,p_3=3,e_4=0, e_5=0$, we get $p_5 = 6$.






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                              Using Newton's identities



                              $$
                              begin{aligned}
                              e_{1}&=p_{1}\
                              2e_{2}&=e_{1}p_{1}-p_{2}\
                              3e_{3}&=e_{2}p_{1}-e_{1}p_{2}+p_{3}\
                              4e_{4}&=e_{3}p_{1}-e_{2}p_{2}+e_{1}p_{3}-p_{4}\
                              5e_{5}&=e_{4}p_{1}-e_{3}p_{2}+e_{2}p_{3}-e_{1}p_{4}+p_{5}\
                              end{aligned}
                              $$

                              with $p_1=1,p_2=2,p_3=3,e_4=0, e_5=0$, we get $p_5 = 6$.







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                                  This answer is almost in the same spirit as @Quang Hoang's, but I hope this answer will add something. Let $$
                                  P(z) = (z-a)(z-b)(z-c)=z^3-sigma_1 z^2+sigma_2 z-sigma_3
                                  $$
                                  where $sigma_1=a+b+c$, $sigma_2=ab+bc+ca$ and $sigma_3=abc$ by Vieta's formula. Note that for $zin {a,b,c}$,
                                  $$
                                  z^{n+3} =sigma_1 z^{n+2}-sigma_2 z^{n+1}+sigma_3 z^n,
                                  $$
                                  hence by summing over $zin {a,b,c}$, we get recurrence relation
                                  $$
                                  s_{n+3}= sigma_1 s_{n+2}-sigma_2 s_{n+1}+sigma_3 s_n
                                  $$
                                  for $s_n = a^n+b^n+c^n$. Given the data, it can be easily noted that $$sigma_1=1 ,quad sigma_2 =frac 12 left((a+b+c)^2-(a^2+b^2+c^2)right)=-frac 12.$$ And by plugging $n=0$, we obtain
                                  $$
                                  3=1cdot 2+frac 12cdot 1 +sigma_3 s_0=2.5 + sigma_3s_0,
                                  $$
                                  so $sigma_3=abcne 0$ and $s_0=a^0+b^0+c^0=3$. This gives $sigma_3=frac 1 6$, implying that
                                  $$
                                  s_{n+3}=s_{n+2}+frac 12 s_{n+1}+frac 1 6 s_{n},quad forall nge 0.
                                  $$
                                  Now $s_4 =frac {25}{6}$ and $s_5=6$ follows from the initial data $(s_3,s_2,s_1)=(3,2,1)$.

                                  Note : The theory of homogeneous linear difference equations is behind it.






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                                    This answer is almost in the same spirit as @Quang Hoang's, but I hope this answer will add something. Let $$
                                    P(z) = (z-a)(z-b)(z-c)=z^3-sigma_1 z^2+sigma_2 z-sigma_3
                                    $$
                                    where $sigma_1=a+b+c$, $sigma_2=ab+bc+ca$ and $sigma_3=abc$ by Vieta's formula. Note that for $zin {a,b,c}$,
                                    $$
                                    z^{n+3} =sigma_1 z^{n+2}-sigma_2 z^{n+1}+sigma_3 z^n,
                                    $$
                                    hence by summing over $zin {a,b,c}$, we get recurrence relation
                                    $$
                                    s_{n+3}= sigma_1 s_{n+2}-sigma_2 s_{n+1}+sigma_3 s_n
                                    $$
                                    for $s_n = a^n+b^n+c^n$. Given the data, it can be easily noted that $$sigma_1=1 ,quad sigma_2 =frac 12 left((a+b+c)^2-(a^2+b^2+c^2)right)=-frac 12.$$ And by plugging $n=0$, we obtain
                                    $$
                                    3=1cdot 2+frac 12cdot 1 +sigma_3 s_0=2.5 + sigma_3s_0,
                                    $$
                                    so $sigma_3=abcne 0$ and $s_0=a^0+b^0+c^0=3$. This gives $sigma_3=frac 1 6$, implying that
                                    $$
                                    s_{n+3}=s_{n+2}+frac 12 s_{n+1}+frac 1 6 s_{n},quad forall nge 0.
                                    $$
                                    Now $s_4 =frac {25}{6}$ and $s_5=6$ follows from the initial data $(s_3,s_2,s_1)=(3,2,1)$.

                                    Note : The theory of homogeneous linear difference equations is behind it.






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                                      This answer is almost in the same spirit as @Quang Hoang's, but I hope this answer will add something. Let $$
                                      P(z) = (z-a)(z-b)(z-c)=z^3-sigma_1 z^2+sigma_2 z-sigma_3
                                      $$
                                      where $sigma_1=a+b+c$, $sigma_2=ab+bc+ca$ and $sigma_3=abc$ by Vieta's formula. Note that for $zin {a,b,c}$,
                                      $$
                                      z^{n+3} =sigma_1 z^{n+2}-sigma_2 z^{n+1}+sigma_3 z^n,
                                      $$
                                      hence by summing over $zin {a,b,c}$, we get recurrence relation
                                      $$
                                      s_{n+3}= sigma_1 s_{n+2}-sigma_2 s_{n+1}+sigma_3 s_n
                                      $$
                                      for $s_n = a^n+b^n+c^n$. Given the data, it can be easily noted that $$sigma_1=1 ,quad sigma_2 =frac 12 left((a+b+c)^2-(a^2+b^2+c^2)right)=-frac 12.$$ And by plugging $n=0$, we obtain
                                      $$
                                      3=1cdot 2+frac 12cdot 1 +sigma_3 s_0=2.5 + sigma_3s_0,
                                      $$
                                      so $sigma_3=abcne 0$ and $s_0=a^0+b^0+c^0=3$. This gives $sigma_3=frac 1 6$, implying that
                                      $$
                                      s_{n+3}=s_{n+2}+frac 12 s_{n+1}+frac 1 6 s_{n},quad forall nge 0.
                                      $$
                                      Now $s_4 =frac {25}{6}$ and $s_5=6$ follows from the initial data $(s_3,s_2,s_1)=(3,2,1)$.

                                      Note : The theory of homogeneous linear difference equations is behind it.






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                                      This answer is almost in the same spirit as @Quang Hoang's, but I hope this answer will add something. Let $$
                                      P(z) = (z-a)(z-b)(z-c)=z^3-sigma_1 z^2+sigma_2 z-sigma_3
                                      $$
                                      where $sigma_1=a+b+c$, $sigma_2=ab+bc+ca$ and $sigma_3=abc$ by Vieta's formula. Note that for $zin {a,b,c}$,
                                      $$
                                      z^{n+3} =sigma_1 z^{n+2}-sigma_2 z^{n+1}+sigma_3 z^n,
                                      $$
                                      hence by summing over $zin {a,b,c}$, we get recurrence relation
                                      $$
                                      s_{n+3}= sigma_1 s_{n+2}-sigma_2 s_{n+1}+sigma_3 s_n
                                      $$
                                      for $s_n = a^n+b^n+c^n$. Given the data, it can be easily noted that $$sigma_1=1 ,quad sigma_2 =frac 12 left((a+b+c)^2-(a^2+b^2+c^2)right)=-frac 12.$$ And by plugging $n=0$, we obtain
                                      $$
                                      3=1cdot 2+frac 12cdot 1 +sigma_3 s_0=2.5 + sigma_3s_0,
                                      $$
                                      so $sigma_3=abcne 0$ and $s_0=a^0+b^0+c^0=3$. This gives $sigma_3=frac 1 6$, implying that
                                      $$
                                      s_{n+3}=s_{n+2}+frac 12 s_{n+1}+frac 1 6 s_{n},quad forall nge 0.
                                      $$
                                      Now $s_4 =frac {25}{6}$ and $s_5=6$ follows from the initial data $(s_3,s_2,s_1)=(3,2,1)$.

                                      Note : The theory of homogeneous linear difference equations is behind it.







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                                          You can use



                                          $a^4+b^4+c^4=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2-2(a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2)$,



                                          $(ab+ac+bc)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(ab+ac+bc)$,



                                          $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-ac-bc)$,



                                          $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$






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                                            How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
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                                            – BPP
                                            12 hours ago










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                                            @BPP I don't really know
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                                            – giannispapav
                                            11 hours ago
















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                                          You can use



                                          $a^4+b^4+c^4=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2-2(a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2)$,



                                          $(ab+ac+bc)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(ab+ac+bc)$,



                                          $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-ac-bc)$,



                                          $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$






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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – BPP
                                            12 hours ago










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                                            @BPP I don't really know
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – giannispapav
                                            11 hours ago














                                          1












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                                          You can use



                                          $a^4+b^4+c^4=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2-2(a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2)$,



                                          $(ab+ac+bc)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(ab+ac+bc)$,



                                          $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-ac-bc)$,



                                          $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$






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                                          You can use



                                          $a^4+b^4+c^4=(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2-2(a^2b^2+a^2c^2+b^2c^2)$,



                                          $(ab+ac+bc)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(ab+ac+bc)$,



                                          $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-ac-bc)$,



                                          $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$







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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – BPP
                                            12 hours ago










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            @BPP I don't really know
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – giannispapav
                                            11 hours ago


















                                          • $begingroup$
                                            How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – BPP
                                            12 hours ago










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            @BPP I don't really know
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – giannispapav
                                            11 hours ago
















                                          $begingroup$
                                          How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – BPP
                                          12 hours ago




                                          $begingroup$
                                          How could one guess such relations? $(a+b+c)^5-a^5-b^5-c^5=(a+b)(a+c)(b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2+ab+ac+bc)$?
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – BPP
                                          12 hours ago












                                          $begingroup$
                                          @BPP I don't really know
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – giannispapav
                                          11 hours ago




                                          $begingroup$
                                          @BPP I don't really know
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – giannispapav
                                          11 hours ago











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                                          Fun video!



                                          Much time was spent on finding $abc=1/6$.



                                          Alternative method for this:
                                          $$begin{align}a^2+b^2&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                          (a+b)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                          (1-c)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                          ab&=c^2-c-frac12 Rightarrow \
                                          abc&=c^3-c^2-frac c2 end{align}$$

                                          Similarly:
                                          $$abc=a^3-a^2-frac a2\
                                          abc=b^3-b^2-frac b2$$

                                          Now adding them up:
                                          $$3abc=(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2+b^2+c^2)-frac12(a+b+c)=3-2-frac12 Rightarrow abc=frac16.$$
                                          In fact, you can find other terms as well:
                                          $$ab+bc+ca=(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)-frac32=2-1-frac32=-frac12;\
                                          a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2=ab(c^2-c-frac12)+bc(a^2-a-frac12)+ca(b^2-b-frac12)=\
                                          abc(a+b+c)-3abc-frac12(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                          frac16-frac12+frac14=-frac1{12}$$

                                          Hence:
                                          $$a^5+b^5+c^5=(a^2+b^2+c^2)(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)+abc(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                          2cdot 3-(-frac1{12})+frac16cdot (-frac12)=6.$$






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                                            Fun video!



                                            Much time was spent on finding $abc=1/6$.



                                            Alternative method for this:
                                            $$begin{align}a^2+b^2&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                            (a+b)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                            (1-c)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                            ab&=c^2-c-frac12 Rightarrow \
                                            abc&=c^3-c^2-frac c2 end{align}$$

                                            Similarly:
                                            $$abc=a^3-a^2-frac a2\
                                            abc=b^3-b^2-frac b2$$

                                            Now adding them up:
                                            $$3abc=(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2+b^2+c^2)-frac12(a+b+c)=3-2-frac12 Rightarrow abc=frac16.$$
                                            In fact, you can find other terms as well:
                                            $$ab+bc+ca=(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)-frac32=2-1-frac32=-frac12;\
                                            a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2=ab(c^2-c-frac12)+bc(a^2-a-frac12)+ca(b^2-b-frac12)=\
                                            abc(a+b+c)-3abc-frac12(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                            frac16-frac12+frac14=-frac1{12}$$

                                            Hence:
                                            $$a^5+b^5+c^5=(a^2+b^2+c^2)(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)+abc(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                            2cdot 3-(-frac1{12})+frac16cdot (-frac12)=6.$$






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                                              $begingroup$

                                              Fun video!



                                              Much time was spent on finding $abc=1/6$.



                                              Alternative method for this:
                                              $$begin{align}a^2+b^2&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                              (a+b)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                              (1-c)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                              ab&=c^2-c-frac12 Rightarrow \
                                              abc&=c^3-c^2-frac c2 end{align}$$

                                              Similarly:
                                              $$abc=a^3-a^2-frac a2\
                                              abc=b^3-b^2-frac b2$$

                                              Now adding them up:
                                              $$3abc=(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2+b^2+c^2)-frac12(a+b+c)=3-2-frac12 Rightarrow abc=frac16.$$
                                              In fact, you can find other terms as well:
                                              $$ab+bc+ca=(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)-frac32=2-1-frac32=-frac12;\
                                              a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2=ab(c^2-c-frac12)+bc(a^2-a-frac12)+ca(b^2-b-frac12)=\
                                              abc(a+b+c)-3abc-frac12(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                              frac16-frac12+frac14=-frac1{12}$$

                                              Hence:
                                              $$a^5+b^5+c^5=(a^2+b^2+c^2)(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)+abc(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                              2cdot 3-(-frac1{12})+frac16cdot (-frac12)=6.$$






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                                              Fun video!



                                              Much time was spent on finding $abc=1/6$.



                                              Alternative method for this:
                                              $$begin{align}a^2+b^2&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                              (a+b)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                              (1-c)^2-2ab&=2-c^2 Rightarrow \
                                              ab&=c^2-c-frac12 Rightarrow \
                                              abc&=c^3-c^2-frac c2 end{align}$$

                                              Similarly:
                                              $$abc=a^3-a^2-frac a2\
                                              abc=b^3-b^2-frac b2$$

                                              Now adding them up:
                                              $$3abc=(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2+b^2+c^2)-frac12(a+b+c)=3-2-frac12 Rightarrow abc=frac16.$$
                                              In fact, you can find other terms as well:
                                              $$ab+bc+ca=(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)-frac32=2-1-frac32=-frac12;\
                                              a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2=ab(c^2-c-frac12)+bc(a^2-a-frac12)+ca(b^2-b-frac12)=\
                                              abc(a+b+c)-3abc-frac12(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                              frac16-frac12+frac14=-frac1{12}$$

                                              Hence:
                                              $$a^5+b^5+c^5=(a^2+b^2+c^2)(a^3+b^3+c^3)-(a^2b^2+b^2c^2+c^2a^2)+abc(ab+bc+ca)=\
                                              2cdot 3-(-frac1{12})+frac16cdot (-frac12)=6.$$







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