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Gender-neutral “Jane Doe” / “John Doe”


Reason for the current trend to use «she» as the gender-neutral pronoun?History of usage of singular “they” (gender-neutral)Is gender-neutral language the norm for academic writing ? If so, when did this start?Gender-neutral pronoun other than singular they?“Mx” the gender-neutral honorificProper syntax of gender-neutral statements, order of his/herWhat is gender neutral for fraternity/sorority?Gender neutral version of housewifeIs there a gender-neutral term for 'Godly'?Gender neutral alternative to Sir/Madam






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    Would not "J. Doe" be a solution?

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    Why the down vote?

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  • @J.Taylor I agree. And find it appropriate that you would say that. ;) If we use a full name, however, and are coining new ones, something like Jordan Doe might work. (Assuming that Jordan has not become sufficiently ambiguous.) But that seems a little forced to me. I think that just J. Doe is the best choice.

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    @Andrey I don't understand your objection to "J. Doe". Any name (or string of random letters) could still refer to male or female (or any other gender). Doesn't that objection rule out all possible answers?

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I would like to provide an example of signed form, but how to avoid using gender when it comes to names? Is there some widely-used idiom for this?










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    Would not "J. Doe" be a solution?

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    Mar 29 at 8:44






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    Why the down vote?

    – Kris
    Mar 29 at 10:00











  • @J.Taylor I agree. And find it appropriate that you would say that. ;) If we use a full name, however, and are coining new ones, something like Jordan Doe might work. (Assuming that Jordan has not become sufficiently ambiguous.) But that seems a little forced to me. I think that just J. Doe is the best choice.

    – Jason Bassford
    Mar 29 at 15:15











  • imdb.com/title/tt0110169

    – user662852
    Mar 29 at 16:17






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    @Andrey I don't understand your objection to "J. Doe". Any name (or string of random letters) could still refer to male or female (or any other gender). Doesn't that objection rule out all possible answers?

    – James Random
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    Would not "J. Doe" be a solution?

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    Why the down vote?

    – Kris
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  • @J.Taylor I agree. And find it appropriate that you would say that. ;) If we use a full name, however, and are coining new ones, something like Jordan Doe might work. (Assuming that Jordan has not become sufficiently ambiguous.) But that seems a little forced to me. I think that just J. Doe is the best choice.

    – Jason Bassford
    Mar 29 at 15:15











  • imdb.com/title/tt0110169

    – user662852
    Mar 29 at 16:17






  • 2





    @Andrey I don't understand your objection to "J. Doe". Any name (or string of random letters) could still refer to male or female (or any other gender). Doesn't that objection rule out all possible answers?

    – James Random
    2 days ago












  • 8





    Would not "J. Doe" be a solution?

    – J. Taylor
    Mar 29 at 8:44






  • 3





    Why the down vote?

    – Kris
    Mar 29 at 10:00











  • @J.Taylor I agree. And find it appropriate that you would say that. ;) If we use a full name, however, and are coining new ones, something like Jordan Doe might work. (Assuming that Jordan has not become sufficiently ambiguous.) But that seems a little forced to me. I think that just J. Doe is the best choice.

    – Jason Bassford
    Mar 29 at 15:15











  • imdb.com/title/tt0110169

    – user662852
    Mar 29 at 16:17






  • 2





    @Andrey I don't understand your objection to "J. Doe". Any name (or string of random letters) could still refer to male or female (or any other gender). Doesn't that objection rule out all possible answers?

    – James Random
    2 days ago







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Would not "J. Doe" be a solution?

– J. Taylor
Mar 29 at 8:44





Would not "J. Doe" be a solution?

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Why the down vote?

– Kris
Mar 29 at 10:00





Why the down vote?

– Kris
Mar 29 at 10:00













@J.Taylor I agree. And find it appropriate that you would say that. ;) If we use a full name, however, and are coining new ones, something like Jordan Doe might work. (Assuming that Jordan has not become sufficiently ambiguous.) But that seems a little forced to me. I think that just J. Doe is the best choice.

– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:15





@J.Taylor I agree. And find it appropriate that you would say that. ;) If we use a full name, however, and are coining new ones, something like Jordan Doe might work. (Assuming that Jordan has not become sufficiently ambiguous.) But that seems a little forced to me. I think that just J. Doe is the best choice.

– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:15













imdb.com/title/tt0110169

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imdb.com/title/tt0110169

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@Andrey I don't understand your objection to "J. Doe". Any name (or string of random letters) could still refer to male or female (or any other gender). Doesn't that objection rule out all possible answers?

– James Random
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@Andrey I don't understand your objection to "J. Doe". Any name (or string of random letters) could still refer to male or female (or any other gender). Doesn't that objection rule out all possible answers?

– James Random
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A. N. Other




Proper noun

(British) A formulaic name that is substituted for that of a person whose name or identity is not known, or not relevant; typically used when exhibiting an example.

— wiktionary.org




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  • Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

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  • @JasonBassford I have heard this often, but maybe it is a British expression (as stated in wiktionary.org).

    – k1eran
    Mar 29 at 16:04







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    It is gender neutral. The "A" and the "N" are sounded out separately. I don't think anyone (well in Britain/Ireland at least) would interpret it as Anne.

    – k1eran
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  • I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

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    • Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

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    • I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 16:08















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    A. N. Other




    Proper noun

    (British) A formulaic name that is substituted for that of a person whose name or identity is not known, or not relevant; typically used when exhibiting an example.

    — wiktionary.org




    Here is an example copied from freshdesk.com :



    A.N. Other






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    • Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 15:13











    • @JasonBassford I have heard this often, but maybe it is a British expression (as stated in wiktionary.org).

      – k1eran
      Mar 29 at 16:04







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      It is gender neutral. The "A" and the "N" are sounded out separately. I don't think anyone (well in Britain/Ireland at least) would interpret it as Anne.

      – k1eran
      Mar 29 at 16:05











    • I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 16:08













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    Proper noun

    (British) A formulaic name that is substituted for that of a person whose name or identity is not known, or not relevant; typically used when exhibiting an example.

    — wiktionary.org




    Here is an example copied from freshdesk.com :



    A.N. Other






    share|improve this answer













    A. N. Other




    Proper noun

    (British) A formulaic name that is substituted for that of a person whose name or identity is not known, or not relevant; typically used when exhibiting an example.

    — wiktionary.org




    Here is an example copied from freshdesk.com :



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    • Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 15:13











    • @JasonBassford I have heard this often, but maybe it is a British expression (as stated in wiktionary.org).

      – k1eran
      Mar 29 at 16:04







    • 1





      It is gender neutral. The "A" and the "N" are sounded out separately. I don't think anyone (well in Britain/Ireland at least) would interpret it as Anne.

      – k1eran
      Mar 29 at 16:05











    • I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 16:08

















    • Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 15:13











    • @JasonBassford I have heard this often, but maybe it is a British expression (as stated in wiktionary.org).

      – k1eran
      Mar 29 at 16:04







    • 1





      It is gender neutral. The "A" and the "N" are sounded out separately. I don't think anyone (well in Britain/Ireland at least) would interpret it as Anne.

      – k1eran
      Mar 29 at 16:05











    • I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

      – Jason Bassford
      Mar 29 at 16:08
















    Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

    – Jason Bassford
    Mar 29 at 15:13





    Strange, I had not heard of this one. But A.N sounds too much like the feminine Ann to me. Even if it is used, it's an unfortunately poor choice, which doesn't actually connote gender neutrality at all.

    – Jason Bassford
    Mar 29 at 15:13













    @JasonBassford I have heard this often, but maybe it is a British expression (as stated in wiktionary.org).

    – k1eran
    Mar 29 at 16:04






    @JasonBassford I have heard this often, but maybe it is a British expression (as stated in wiktionary.org).

    – k1eran
    Mar 29 at 16:04





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    It is gender neutral. The "A" and the "N" are sounded out separately. I don't think anyone (well in Britain/Ireland at least) would interpret it as Anne.

    – k1eran
    Mar 29 at 16:05





    It is gender neutral. The "A" and the "N" are sounded out separately. I don't think anyone (well in Britain/Ireland at least) would interpret it as Anne.

    – k1eran
    Mar 29 at 16:05













    I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

    – Jason Bassford
    Mar 29 at 16:08





    I have no reason to doubt it may be common in Britain—and may be used to express neutrality. But I still think its pronunciation (of a woman's name) makes it a poor choice. In the image you attached, there are no periods used—it would be pronounced as that dictionary word. But perhaps (bizarrely to me), everybody simply knows to say the words separate in that specific context . . .

    – Jason Bassford
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