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Usage of “so” in “So do I”
Are these garden path sentences grammatically correct?Future tense in conditional clausesSubject/Complement Agreement. How to describe problem with “The thing is the objects.”Why is “herself” required in this particular sentence?“a question impossible to answer” and “a situation possible to arise” Are they grammatical?“This includes me” or “This includes myself”?“Yes, I will be”“Which” instead of “whose” for inanimate objectsWhen is “he is on the” + verb allowed as a sentence?Real past conditional with a single event and its conclusion in the past
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What are the grammatical rules behind the construction using “so” in the following examples?
A: “I like chocolate.” B: “So do I.”
Alice likes chocolate. So does Bob.
Both examples seem to be correct. But which of the following are correct?
Alice's car is very expensive and so is her dress.
The flower is nice and so is the garden.
A house is only well-kept if so is its garden.
A house is nice if and only if so is its garden.
In particular, it was suggested to me (by multiple people) to reformulate the last one as:
A house is nice if and only if its garden is.
So, I am wondering: Is the last example (with the original formulation) actually grammatically wrong or is the suggestion purely stylistic? What are the grammatical rules here anyway?
Also the suggested reformulation sounds a bit odd/not very fluent to me. Would you agree with this feeling? Is there some correct way to express this more elegantly?
I am also interested in regional differences (e.g. British English vs American English) if there are any.
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What are the grammatical rules behind the construction using “so” in the following examples?
A: “I like chocolate.” B: “So do I.”
Alice likes chocolate. So does Bob.
Both examples seem to be correct. But which of the following are correct?
Alice's car is very expensive and so is her dress.
The flower is nice and so is the garden.
A house is only well-kept if so is its garden.
A house is nice if and only if so is its garden.
In particular, it was suggested to me (by multiple people) to reformulate the last one as:
A house is nice if and only if its garden is.
So, I am wondering: Is the last example (with the original formulation) actually grammatically wrong or is the suggestion purely stylistic? What are the grammatical rules here anyway?
Also the suggested reformulation sounds a bit odd/not very fluent to me. Would you agree with this feeling? Is there some correct way to express this more elegantly?
I am also interested in regional differences (e.g. British English vs American English) if there are any.
grammaticality
asked Mar 29 at 10:14
JPWJPW
1112
@PeterShor: That sounds better than the original but is still a bit odd. For some reason, I feel that “A house is nice if and only if its garden is as well” is even a bit more fluent but still… a bit strange to me.
– JPW
Mar 29 at 10:37
Both of the last two sentences sound wrong to me. (I don't see why the last one is being singled out as more questionable than the second last.) I'm not entirely certain if they are ungrammatical, but they are at least awkward, and I think they would normally be rephrased. (For what it's worth, I believe you can substitute such for so in those sentences. But while that preserves the meaning, it doesn't help me answer the question about the grammar.) Note that the sense of so is different in the earlier sentences —and in which such cannot be substituted.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:33
Having said that, I find the reformulated sentence completely grammatical and natural.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:36
@JasonBassford: I did not intend to highlight only the last example: I am not sure about any of them (with increasing likelihood of them being incorrect). I tried to make this clearer in the question. I would also appreciate a comment on what you find awkward (if you can nail it down) about the last two and why you say that in the last two you could substitute “so” by “such” but not in the first two (I fail to see a fundamental difference). …
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:39
… For the reformulated version: I don't doubt that it is grammatically correct in any way. I think what strikes me as odd is that the sentences ends a bit abruptly (so it's more like a tiny stylistic/fluency issue). But, if this is not the case for you, then there is probably no problem (I am still interested in whether other people feel what I mean as well).
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:44
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What are the grammatical rules behind the construction using “so” in the following examples?
A: “I like chocolate.” B: “So do I.”
Alice likes chocolate. So does Bob.
Both examples seem to be correct. But which of the following are correct?
Alice's car is very expensive and so is her dress.
The flower is nice and so is the garden.
A house is only well-kept if so is its garden.
A house is nice if and only if so is its garden.
In particular, it was suggested to me (by multiple people) to reformulate the last one as:
A house is nice if and only if its garden is.
So, I am wondering: Is the last example (with the original formulation) actually grammatically wrong or is the suggestion purely stylistic? What are the grammatical rules here anyway?
Also the suggested reformulation sounds a bit odd/not very fluent to me. Would you agree with this feeling? Is there some correct way to express this more elegantly?
I am also interested in regional differences (e.g. British English vs American English) if there are any.
grammaticality
asked Mar 29 at 10:14
JPWJPW
1112
What are the grammatical rules behind the construction using “so” in the following examples?
A: “I like chocolate.” B: “So do I.”
Alice likes chocolate. So does Bob.
Both examples seem to be correct. But which of the following are correct?
Alice's car is very expensive and so is her dress.
The flower is nice and so is the garden.
A house is only well-kept if so is its garden.
A house is nice if and only if so is its garden.
In particular, it was suggested to me (by multiple people) to reformulate the last one as:
A house is nice if and only if its garden is.
So, I am wondering: Is the last example (with the original formulation) actually grammatically wrong or is the suggestion purely stylistic? What are the grammatical rules here anyway?
Also the suggested reformulation sounds a bit odd/not very fluent to me. Would you agree with this feeling? Is there some correct way to express this more elegantly?
I am also interested in regional differences (e.g. British English vs American English) if there are any.
grammaticality
grammaticality
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JPWJPW
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@PeterShor: That sounds better than the original but is still a bit odd. For some reason, I feel that “A house is nice if and only if its garden is as well” is even a bit more fluent but still… a bit strange to me.
– JPW
Mar 29 at 10:37
Both of the last two sentences sound wrong to me. (I don't see why the last one is being singled out as more questionable than the second last.) I'm not entirely certain if they are ungrammatical, but they are at least awkward, and I think they would normally be rephrased. (For what it's worth, I believe you can substitute such for so in those sentences. But while that preserves the meaning, it doesn't help me answer the question about the grammar.) Note that the sense of so is different in the earlier sentences —and in which such cannot be substituted.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:33
Having said that, I find the reformulated sentence completely grammatical and natural.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:36
@JasonBassford: I did not intend to highlight only the last example: I am not sure about any of them (with increasing likelihood of them being incorrect). I tried to make this clearer in the question. I would also appreciate a comment on what you find awkward (if you can nail it down) about the last two and why you say that in the last two you could substitute “so” by “such” but not in the first two (I fail to see a fundamental difference). …
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:39
… For the reformulated version: I don't doubt that it is grammatically correct in any way. I think what strikes me as odd is that the sentences ends a bit abruptly (so it's more like a tiny stylistic/fluency issue). But, if this is not the case for you, then there is probably no problem (I am still interested in whether other people feel what I mean as well).
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:44
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@PeterShor: That sounds better than the original but is still a bit odd. For some reason, I feel that “A house is nice if and only if its garden is as well” is even a bit more fluent but still… a bit strange to me.
– JPW
Mar 29 at 10:37
Both of the last two sentences sound wrong to me. (I don't see why the last one is being singled out as more questionable than the second last.) I'm not entirely certain if they are ungrammatical, but they are at least awkward, and I think they would normally be rephrased. (For what it's worth, I believe you can substitute such for so in those sentences. But while that preserves the meaning, it doesn't help me answer the question about the grammar.) Note that the sense of so is different in the earlier sentences —and in which such cannot be substituted.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:33
Having said that, I find the reformulated sentence completely grammatical and natural.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:36
@JasonBassford: I did not intend to highlight only the last example: I am not sure about any of them (with increasing likelihood of them being incorrect). I tried to make this clearer in the question. I would also appreciate a comment on what you find awkward (if you can nail it down) about the last two and why you say that in the last two you could substitute “so” by “such” but not in the first two (I fail to see a fundamental difference). …
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:39
… For the reformulated version: I don't doubt that it is grammatically correct in any way. I think what strikes me as odd is that the sentences ends a bit abruptly (so it's more like a tiny stylistic/fluency issue). But, if this is not the case for you, then there is probably no problem (I am still interested in whether other people feel what I mean as well).
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:44
@PeterShor: That sounds better than the original but is still a bit odd. For some reason, I feel that “A house is nice if and only if its garden is as well” is even a bit more fluent but still… a bit strange to me.
– JPW
Mar 29 at 10:37
@PeterShor: That sounds better than the original but is still a bit odd. For some reason, I feel that “A house is nice if and only if its garden is as well” is even a bit more fluent but still… a bit strange to me.
– JPW
Mar 29 at 10:37
Both of the last two sentences sound wrong to me. (I don't see why the last one is being singled out as more questionable than the second last.) I'm not entirely certain if they are ungrammatical, but they are at least awkward, and I think they would normally be rephrased. (For what it's worth, I believe you can substitute such for so in those sentences. But while that preserves the meaning, it doesn't help me answer the question about the grammar.) Note that the sense of so is different in the earlier sentences —and in which such cannot be substituted.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:33
Both of the last two sentences sound wrong to me. (I don't see why the last one is being singled out as more questionable than the second last.) I'm not entirely certain if they are ungrammatical, but they are at least awkward, and I think they would normally be rephrased. (For what it's worth, I believe you can substitute such for so in those sentences. But while that preserves the meaning, it doesn't help me answer the question about the grammar.) Note that the sense of so is different in the earlier sentences —and in which such cannot be substituted.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:33
Having said that, I find the reformulated sentence completely grammatical and natural.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:36
Having said that, I find the reformulated sentence completely grammatical and natural.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:36
@JasonBassford: I did not intend to highlight only the last example: I am not sure about any of them (with increasing likelihood of them being incorrect). I tried to make this clearer in the question. I would also appreciate a comment on what you find awkward (if you can nail it down) about the last two and why you say that in the last two you could substitute “so” by “such” but not in the first two (I fail to see a fundamental difference). …
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:39
@JasonBassford: I did not intend to highlight only the last example: I am not sure about any of them (with increasing likelihood of them being incorrect). I tried to make this clearer in the question. I would also appreciate a comment on what you find awkward (if you can nail it down) about the last two and why you say that in the last two you could substitute “so” by “such” but not in the first two (I fail to see a fundamental difference). …
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:39
… For the reformulated version: I don't doubt that it is grammatically correct in any way. I think what strikes me as odd is that the sentences ends a bit abruptly (so it's more like a tiny stylistic/fluency issue). But, if this is not the case for you, then there is probably no problem (I am still interested in whether other people feel what I mean as well).
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:44
… For the reformulated version: I don't doubt that it is grammatically correct in any way. I think what strikes me as odd is that the sentences ends a bit abruptly (so it's more like a tiny stylistic/fluency issue). But, if this is not the case for you, then there is probably no problem (I am still interested in whether other people feel what I mean as well).
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:44
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@PeterShor: That sounds better than the original but is still a bit odd. For some reason, I feel that “A house is nice if and only if its garden is as well” is even a bit more fluent but still… a bit strange to me.
– JPW
Mar 29 at 10:37
Both of the last two sentences sound wrong to me. (I don't see why the last one is being singled out as more questionable than the second last.) I'm not entirely certain if they are ungrammatical, but they are at least awkward, and I think they would normally be rephrased. (For what it's worth, I believe you can substitute such for so in those sentences. But while that preserves the meaning, it doesn't help me answer the question about the grammar.) Note that the sense of so is different in the earlier sentences —and in which such cannot be substituted.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:33
Having said that, I find the reformulated sentence completely grammatical and natural.
– Jason Bassford
Mar 29 at 15:36
@JasonBassford: I did not intend to highlight only the last example: I am not sure about any of them (with increasing likelihood of them being incorrect). I tried to make this clearer in the question. I would also appreciate a comment on what you find awkward (if you can nail it down) about the last two and why you say that in the last two you could substitute “so” by “such” but not in the first two (I fail to see a fundamental difference). …
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:39
… For the reformulated version: I don't doubt that it is grammatically correct in any way. I think what strikes me as odd is that the sentences ends a bit abruptly (so it's more like a tiny stylistic/fluency issue). But, if this is not the case for you, then there is probably no problem (I am still interested in whether other people feel what I mean as well).
– JPW
Mar 29 at 16:44