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eligibility criterion for an -ing form to serve as a deverbal adjective
When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?Adjective form of “adjective”Adjective form of trepidationnowadays with verb or verb+ing formFrequently Vs Frequent /Adverb form or Adjective form /Correct adjective for “Cannot be ordered according to (criterion) A”adjective or adverb before ing-form?Why does an adjective not exist in “-ing” form when it already has an “-ive” form and vice versa?When is “he is on the” + verb allowed as a sentence?Confusion in “-ing” form verbs useIs ‘a dog which is barking’ synonymous with ‘a barking dog’?
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a dog which is barking can be rephrased as a barking dog; I am wondering whether a patient who is coughing can be rephrased as a coughing patient?
similarly, can we rephrase something (such as a dog, a train, etc.) which is running as a running dog/ train, etc.?
the -ing form of some verbs can serve as a deverbal adjective, while that of others cannot. I am wondering what the eligibility criterion should be for an -ing form to function as a deverbal adjective so as to serve as a premodifier for a noun?
word-usage phrases expressions verbs adjectives
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a dog which is barking can be rephrased as a barking dog; I am wondering whether a patient who is coughing can be rephrased as a coughing patient?
similarly, can we rephrase something (such as a dog, a train, etc.) which is running as a running dog/ train, etc.?
the -ing form of some verbs can serve as a deverbal adjective, while that of others cannot. I am wondering what the eligibility criterion should be for an -ing form to function as a deverbal adjective so as to serve as a premodifier for a noun?
word-usage phrases expressions verbs adjectives
asked Feb 28 at 13:17
LynnyoLynnyo
1253
The availability of the participle depends on whether the noun could have multiple relationships to the verb. Book, etc., titles routinely pun on this possibility, e.g., "Judging Amy." Is a "coughing patient" a patient who is coughing or a patient who is being treated for coughing? When the mind won't have to sort out these possibilities, as in the case of a barking dog, the participle works. Otherwise, it doesn't.
– remarkl
Feb 28 at 13:30
"Barking" and "coughing" are not adjectives, but verb phrases. They have none of the properties of indisputable adjectives, and hence cannot belong in that class. Others do, e.g. "entertaining", as in "an entertaining film".
– BillJ
Feb 28 at 13:33
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog We don't normally speak of a train running (except possibly to mean that the service hasn't been cancelled), but we can certainly refer to a moving train, passing train, and so on.
– Kate Bunting
Feb 28 at 13:34
Relevant (not the same, though, since as BillJ said, word order isn't necessarily based on part of speech): When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?
– sumelic
Feb 28 at 20:44
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a dog which is barking can be rephrased as a barking dog; I am wondering whether a patient who is coughing can be rephrased as a coughing patient?
similarly, can we rephrase something (such as a dog, a train, etc.) which is running as a running dog/ train, etc.?
the -ing form of some verbs can serve as a deverbal adjective, while that of others cannot. I am wondering what the eligibility criterion should be for an -ing form to function as a deverbal adjective so as to serve as a premodifier for a noun?
word-usage phrases expressions verbs adjectives
asked Feb 28 at 13:17
LynnyoLynnyo
1253
a dog which is barking can be rephrased as a barking dog; I am wondering whether a patient who is coughing can be rephrased as a coughing patient?
similarly, can we rephrase something (such as a dog, a train, etc.) which is running as a running dog/ train, etc.?
the -ing form of some verbs can serve as a deverbal adjective, while that of others cannot. I am wondering what the eligibility criterion should be for an -ing form to function as a deverbal adjective so as to serve as a premodifier for a noun?
word-usage phrases expressions verbs adjectives
word-usage phrases expressions verbs adjectives
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The availability of the participle depends on whether the noun could have multiple relationships to the verb. Book, etc., titles routinely pun on this possibility, e.g., "Judging Amy." Is a "coughing patient" a patient who is coughing or a patient who is being treated for coughing? When the mind won't have to sort out these possibilities, as in the case of a barking dog, the participle works. Otherwise, it doesn't.
– remarkl
Feb 28 at 13:30
"Barking" and "coughing" are not adjectives, but verb phrases. They have none of the properties of indisputable adjectives, and hence cannot belong in that class. Others do, e.g. "entertaining", as in "an entertaining film".
– BillJ
Feb 28 at 13:33
1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog We don't normally speak of a train running (except possibly to mean that the service hasn't been cancelled), but we can certainly refer to a moving train, passing train, and so on.
– Kate Bunting
Feb 28 at 13:34
Relevant (not the same, though, since as BillJ said, word order isn't necessarily based on part of speech): When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?
– sumelic
Feb 28 at 20:44
add a comment |
The availability of the participle depends on whether the noun could have multiple relationships to the verb. Book, etc., titles routinely pun on this possibility, e.g., "Judging Amy." Is a "coughing patient" a patient who is coughing or a patient who is being treated for coughing? When the mind won't have to sort out these possibilities, as in the case of a barking dog, the participle works. Otherwise, it doesn't.
– remarkl
Feb 28 at 13:30
"Barking" and "coughing" are not adjectives, but verb phrases. They have none of the properties of indisputable adjectives, and hence cannot belong in that class. Others do, e.g. "entertaining", as in "an entertaining film".
– BillJ
Feb 28 at 13:33
1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog We don't normally speak of a train running (except possibly to mean that the service hasn't been cancelled), but we can certainly refer to a moving train, passing train, and so on.
– Kate Bunting
Feb 28 at 13:34
Relevant (not the same, though, since as BillJ said, word order isn't necessarily based on part of speech): When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?
– sumelic
Feb 28 at 20:44
The availability of the participle depends on whether the noun could have multiple relationships to the verb. Book, etc., titles routinely pun on this possibility, e.g., "Judging Amy." Is a "coughing patient" a patient who is coughing or a patient who is being treated for coughing? When the mind won't have to sort out these possibilities, as in the case of a barking dog, the participle works. Otherwise, it doesn't.
– remarkl
Feb 28 at 13:30
The availability of the participle depends on whether the noun could have multiple relationships to the verb. Book, etc., titles routinely pun on this possibility, e.g., "Judging Amy." Is a "coughing patient" a patient who is coughing or a patient who is being treated for coughing? When the mind won't have to sort out these possibilities, as in the case of a barking dog, the participle works. Otherwise, it doesn't.
– remarkl
Feb 28 at 13:30
"Barking" and "coughing" are not adjectives, but verb phrases. They have none of the properties of indisputable adjectives, and hence cannot belong in that class. Others do, e.g. "entertaining", as in "an entertaining film".
– BillJ
Feb 28 at 13:33
"Barking" and "coughing" are not adjectives, but verb phrases. They have none of the properties of indisputable adjectives, and hence cannot belong in that class. Others do, e.g. "entertaining", as in "an entertaining film".
– BillJ
Feb 28 at 13:33
1
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog We don't normally speak of a train running (except possibly to mean that the service hasn't been cancelled), but we can certainly refer to a moving train, passing train, and so on.
– Kate Bunting
Feb 28 at 13:34
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog We don't normally speak of a train running (except possibly to mean that the service hasn't been cancelled), but we can certainly refer to a moving train, passing train, and so on.
– Kate Bunting
Feb 28 at 13:34
Relevant (not the same, though, since as BillJ said, word order isn't necessarily based on part of speech): When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?
– sumelic
Feb 28 at 20:44
Relevant (not the same, though, since as BillJ said, word order isn't necessarily based on part of speech): When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?
– sumelic
Feb 28 at 20:44
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a barking dog / a coughing patient / a sleeping child
I've added the last example as it belongs in the same category as the other two.
I would say that the ing forms here are verb phrases, not adjectives. Even if they were adjectives, they would not be deverbal ones, but adjectives formed by conversion from verbs.
These attributive modifiers are best analysed as verb phrases, not adjectives, for a number of reasons:
They can't be modified by "very".
They can't occur as complement to complex-intransitive verbs like "become" or "seem" (we can't say *"It seemed/became quite barking" or *"He seemed/became quite coughing/ sleeping").
They can't occur as complement to complex-transitive verbs like "find" (we can't say *"I found it quite barking" or *"I found him quite coughing/sleeping").
The range of expressions that can occur as pre-head modifier to a noun is very large and varied: we don't want to call them all adjectives. "Barking", "coughing" and "sleeping" don't have the properties of indisputable adjectives and hence can't belong in that class.
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a barking dog / a coughing patient / a sleeping child
I've added the last example as it belongs in the same category as the other two.
I would say that the ing forms here are verb phrases, not adjectives. Even if they were adjectives, they would not be deverbal ones, but adjectives formed by conversion from verbs.
These attributive modifiers are best analysed as verb phrases, not adjectives, for a number of reasons:
They can't be modified by "very".
They can't occur as complement to complex-intransitive verbs like "become" or "seem" (we can't say *"It seemed/became quite barking" or *"He seemed/became quite coughing/ sleeping").
They can't occur as complement to complex-transitive verbs like "find" (we can't say *"I found it quite barking" or *"I found him quite coughing/sleeping").
The range of expressions that can occur as pre-head modifier to a noun is very large and varied: we don't want to call them all adjectives. "Barking", "coughing" and "sleeping" don't have the properties of indisputable adjectives and hence can't belong in that class.
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a barking dog / a coughing patient / a sleeping child
I've added the last example as it belongs in the same category as the other two.
I would say that the ing forms here are verb phrases, not adjectives. Even if they were adjectives, they would not be deverbal ones, but adjectives formed by conversion from verbs.
These attributive modifiers are best analysed as verb phrases, not adjectives, for a number of reasons:
They can't be modified by "very".
They can't occur as complement to complex-intransitive verbs like "become" or "seem" (we can't say *"It seemed/became quite barking" or *"He seemed/became quite coughing/ sleeping").
They can't occur as complement to complex-transitive verbs like "find" (we can't say *"I found it quite barking" or *"I found him quite coughing/sleeping").
The range of expressions that can occur as pre-head modifier to a noun is very large and varied: we don't want to call them all adjectives. "Barking", "coughing" and "sleeping" don't have the properties of indisputable adjectives and hence can't belong in that class.
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a barking dog / a coughing patient / a sleeping child
I've added the last example as it belongs in the same category as the other two.
I would say that the ing forms here are verb phrases, not adjectives. Even if they were adjectives, they would not be deverbal ones, but adjectives formed by conversion from verbs.
These attributive modifiers are best analysed as verb phrases, not adjectives, for a number of reasons:
They can't be modified by "very".
They can't occur as complement to complex-intransitive verbs like "become" or "seem" (we can't say *"It seemed/became quite barking" or *"He seemed/became quite coughing/ sleeping").
They can't occur as complement to complex-transitive verbs like "find" (we can't say *"I found it quite barking" or *"I found him quite coughing/sleeping").
The range of expressions that can occur as pre-head modifier to a noun is very large and varied: we don't want to call them all adjectives. "Barking", "coughing" and "sleeping" don't have the properties of indisputable adjectives and hence can't belong in that class.
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a barking dog / a coughing patient / a sleeping child
I've added the last example as it belongs in the same category as the other two.
I would say that the ing forms here are verb phrases, not adjectives. Even if they were adjectives, they would not be deverbal ones, but adjectives formed by conversion from verbs.
These attributive modifiers are best analysed as verb phrases, not adjectives, for a number of reasons:
They can't be modified by "very".
They can't occur as complement to complex-intransitive verbs like "become" or "seem" (we can't say *"It seemed/became quite barking" or *"He seemed/became quite coughing/ sleeping").
They can't occur as complement to complex-transitive verbs like "find" (we can't say *"I found it quite barking" or *"I found him quite coughing/sleeping").
The range of expressions that can occur as pre-head modifier to a noun is very large and varied: we don't want to call them all adjectives. "Barking", "coughing" and "sleeping" don't have the properties of indisputable adjectives and hence can't belong in that class.
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The availability of the participle depends on whether the noun could have multiple relationships to the verb. Book, etc., titles routinely pun on this possibility, e.g., "Judging Amy." Is a "coughing patient" a patient who is coughing or a patient who is being treated for coughing? When the mind won't have to sort out these possibilities, as in the case of a barking dog, the participle works. Otherwise, it doesn't.
– remarkl
Feb 28 at 13:30
"Barking" and "coughing" are not adjectives, but verb phrases. They have none of the properties of indisputable adjectives, and hence cannot belong in that class. Others do, e.g. "entertaining", as in "an entertaining film".
– BillJ
Feb 28 at 13:33
1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog We don't normally speak of a train running (except possibly to mean that the service hasn't been cancelled), but we can certainly refer to a moving train, passing train, and so on.
– Kate Bunting
Feb 28 at 13:34
Relevant (not the same, though, since as BillJ said, word order isn't necessarily based on part of speech): When can the -ing form of a verb be placed before a noun?
– sumelic
Feb 28 at 20:44