Does “That” have to be next to the noun it modifies?
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Inside a Veritas GMAT prep book the following sentence is wrong on the grounds that "that" modifies the closet noun "home"
John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties in his family home that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights.
However, in the same book, the the following sentence is correct with the reasoning being that "that" is not restrictive and clearly modifies parties.
John held parties for his kids that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food.
What am I missing here?
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Inside a Veritas GMAT prep book the following sentence is wrong on the grounds that "that" modifies the closet noun "home"
John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties in his family home that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights.
However, in the same book, the the following sentence is correct with the reasoning being that "that" is not restrictive and clearly modifies parties.
John held parties for his kids that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food.
What am I missing here?
modifiers that
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In the second sentence, for that to relate to kids it would generally be who. Because it's that, it refers to an inanimate thing (parties being the obvious choice). The first sentence is more ambiguous.
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
Note that this precise question was asked elsewhere five years ago. Although hopefully our answers will be better!
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
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Presumably Veritas would say that the first sentence should be "John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights in his family home." but that is equally, if not more, ambivalent since it sounds as though only the late nights were in his family home and not the parties in their entirity. Some of the difficulty seems to be the difference between English as she is analysed and English as she is spoke.
– BoldBen
2 days ago
I would say that the antecedent of "that" is the nominal parties in his family home. In your last example the relative clause is restrictive. "That" cannot be used in non-restrictive relative clauses.
– BillJ
2 days ago
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Inside a Veritas GMAT prep book the following sentence is wrong on the grounds that "that" modifies the closet noun "home"
John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties in his family home that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights.
However, in the same book, the the following sentence is correct with the reasoning being that "that" is not restrictive and clearly modifies parties.
John held parties for his kids that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food.
What am I missing here?
modifiers that
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Inside a Veritas GMAT prep book the following sentence is wrong on the grounds that "that" modifies the closet noun "home"
John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties in his family home that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights.
However, in the same book, the the following sentence is correct with the reasoning being that "that" is not restrictive and clearly modifies parties.
John held parties for his kids that featured clowns, numerous exotic animals, and lots of food.
What am I missing here?
modifiers that
modifiers that
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In the second sentence, for that to relate to kids it would generally be who. Because it's that, it refers to an inanimate thing (parties being the obvious choice). The first sentence is more ambiguous.
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
Note that this precise question was asked elsewhere five years ago. Although hopefully our answers will be better!
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
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Presumably Veritas would say that the first sentence should be "John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights in his family home." but that is equally, if not more, ambivalent since it sounds as though only the late nights were in his family home and not the parties in their entirity. Some of the difficulty seems to be the difference between English as she is analysed and English as she is spoke.
– BoldBen
2 days ago
I would say that the antecedent of "that" is the nominal parties in his family home. In your last example the relative clause is restrictive. "That" cannot be used in non-restrictive relative clauses.
– BillJ
2 days ago
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In the second sentence, for that to relate to kids it would generally be who. Because it's that, it refers to an inanimate thing (parties being the obvious choice). The first sentence is more ambiguous.
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
Note that this precise question was asked elsewhere five years ago. Although hopefully our answers will be better!
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
1
Presumably Veritas would say that the first sentence should be "John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights in his family home." but that is equally, if not more, ambivalent since it sounds as though only the late nights were in his family home and not the parties in their entirity. Some of the difficulty seems to be the difference between English as she is analysed and English as she is spoke.
– BoldBen
2 days ago
I would say that the antecedent of "that" is the nominal parties in his family home. In your last example the relative clause is restrictive. "That" cannot be used in non-restrictive relative clauses.
– BillJ
2 days ago
In the second sentence, for that to relate to kids it would generally be who. Because it's that, it refers to an inanimate thing (parties being the obvious choice). The first sentence is more ambiguous.
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
In the second sentence, for that to relate to kids it would generally be who. Because it's that, it refers to an inanimate thing (parties being the obvious choice). The first sentence is more ambiguous.
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
Note that this precise question was asked elsewhere five years ago. Although hopefully our answers will be better!
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
Note that this precise question was asked elsewhere five years ago. Although hopefully our answers will be better!
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
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Presumably Veritas would say that the first sentence should be "John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights in his family home." but that is equally, if not more, ambivalent since it sounds as though only the late nights were in his family home and not the parties in their entirity. Some of the difficulty seems to be the difference between English as she is analysed and English as she is spoke.
– BoldBen
2 days ago
Presumably Veritas would say that the first sentence should be "John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights in his family home." but that is equally, if not more, ambivalent since it sounds as though only the late nights were in his family home and not the parties in their entirity. Some of the difficulty seems to be the difference between English as she is analysed and English as she is spoke.
– BoldBen
2 days ago
I would say that the antecedent of "that" is the nominal parties in his family home. In your last example the relative clause is restrictive. "That" cannot be used in non-restrictive relative clauses.
– BillJ
2 days ago
I would say that the antecedent of "that" is the nominal parties in his family home. In your last example the relative clause is restrictive. "That" cannot be used in non-restrictive relative clauses.
– BillJ
2 days ago
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In the second sentence, for that to relate to kids it would generally be who. Because it's that, it refers to an inanimate thing (parties being the obvious choice). The first sentence is more ambiguous.
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
Note that this precise question was asked elsewhere five years ago. Although hopefully our answers will be better!
– Andrew Leach♦
2 days ago
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Presumably Veritas would say that the first sentence should be "John F. Kennedy, one of the most social U.S. presidents, held many parties that featured elaborate meals of local fish and lobster, famous guests, and late nights in his family home." but that is equally, if not more, ambivalent since it sounds as though only the late nights were in his family home and not the parties in their entirity. Some of the difficulty seems to be the difference between English as she is analysed and English as she is spoke.
– BoldBen
2 days ago
I would say that the antecedent of "that" is the nominal parties in his family home. In your last example the relative clause is restrictive. "That" cannot be used in non-restrictive relative clauses.
– BillJ
2 days ago