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I just came across a course name: Geometric and Theoretical Optics. The mismatched endings bug me. Why do we have both -ical and -ic endings?



Is there any difference in meaning between, say, theoretic and theoretical? I know that acoustic and acoustical mean slightly different things, but is this difference inherent in the words, or is it just usage — we happen to use the former for sound, and the latter for ceilings?










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    A fun fact: In computer science, the word complexity-theoretic is much more common than complexity-theoretical when you mean in, of or related to complexity theory, although theoretical is more common than theoretic. I think that the same preference of “-theoretic” exists for other things called “ theory.”

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  • @Tsuyoshi: I mentioned that in my answer. :-) (Forgot complexity theory, but mentioned set theory, number theory, game theory, information theory.) I think the "X-theoretical" forms are as rare as the word theoretic is outside of "X-theoretic".

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  • @ShreevatsaR: Oops, thanks! I had read your answer, but probably I had somehow overlooked that part at that time.

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:44






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    Related (younger): "Is there a rule for which suffix to use when creating adjectives from nouns?" and "Comic or Comical?".

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I just came across a course name: Geometric and Theoretical Optics. The mismatched endings bug me. Why do we have both -ical and -ic endings?



Is there any difference in meaning between, say, theoretic and theoretical? I know that acoustic and acoustical mean slightly different things, but is this difference inherent in the words, or is it just usage — we happen to use the former for sound, and the latter for ceilings?










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  • 4





    A fun fact: In computer science, the word complexity-theoretic is much more common than complexity-theoretical when you mean in, of or related to complexity theory, although theoretical is more common than theoretic. I think that the same preference of “-theoretic” exists for other things called “ theory.”

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 12 '10 at 2:39













  • @Tsuyoshi: I mentioned that in my answer. :-) (Forgot complexity theory, but mentioned set theory, number theory, game theory, information theory.) I think the "X-theoretical" forms are as rare as the word theoretic is outside of "X-theoretic".

    – ShreevatsaR
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:30











  • @ShreevatsaR: Oops, thanks! I had read your answer, but probably I had somehow overlooked that part at that time.

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:44






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    Related (younger): "Is there a rule for which suffix to use when creating adjectives from nouns?" and "Comic or Comical?".

    – coleopterist
    Oct 29 '12 at 20:03
















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I just came across a course name: Geometric and Theoretical Optics. The mismatched endings bug me. Why do we have both -ical and -ic endings?



Is there any difference in meaning between, say, theoretic and theoretical? I know that acoustic and acoustical mean slightly different things, but is this difference inherent in the words, or is it just usage — we happen to use the former for sound, and the latter for ceilings?










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I just came across a course name: Geometric and Theoretical Optics. The mismatched endings bug me. Why do we have both -ical and -ic endings?



Is there any difference in meaning between, say, theoretic and theoretical? I know that acoustic and acoustical mean slightly different things, but is this difference inherent in the words, or is it just usage — we happen to use the former for sound, and the latter for ceilings?







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    A fun fact: In computer science, the word complexity-theoretic is much more common than complexity-theoretical when you mean in, of or related to complexity theory, although theoretical is more common than theoretic. I think that the same preference of “-theoretic” exists for other things called “ theory.”

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 12 '10 at 2:39













  • @Tsuyoshi: I mentioned that in my answer. :-) (Forgot complexity theory, but mentioned set theory, number theory, game theory, information theory.) I think the "X-theoretical" forms are as rare as the word theoretic is outside of "X-theoretic".

    – ShreevatsaR
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:30











  • @ShreevatsaR: Oops, thanks! I had read your answer, but probably I had somehow overlooked that part at that time.

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:44






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    Related (younger): "Is there a rule for which suffix to use when creating adjectives from nouns?" and "Comic or Comical?".

    – coleopterist
    Oct 29 '12 at 20:03
















  • 4





    A fun fact: In computer science, the word complexity-theoretic is much more common than complexity-theoretical when you mean in, of or related to complexity theory, although theoretical is more common than theoretic. I think that the same preference of “-theoretic” exists for other things called “ theory.”

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 12 '10 at 2:39













  • @Tsuyoshi: I mentioned that in my answer. :-) (Forgot complexity theory, but mentioned set theory, number theory, game theory, information theory.) I think the "X-theoretical" forms are as rare as the word theoretic is outside of "X-theoretic".

    – ShreevatsaR
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:30











  • @ShreevatsaR: Oops, thanks! I had read your answer, but probably I had somehow overlooked that part at that time.

    – Tsuyoshi Ito
    Dec 13 '10 at 3:44






  • 1





    Related (younger): "Is there a rule for which suffix to use when creating adjectives from nouns?" and "Comic or Comical?".

    – coleopterist
    Oct 29 '12 at 20:03










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A fun fact: In computer science, the word complexity-theoretic is much more common than complexity-theoretical when you mean in, of or related to complexity theory, although theoretical is more common than theoretic. I think that the same preference of “-theoretic” exists for other things called “ theory.”

– Tsuyoshi Ito
Dec 12 '10 at 2:39







A fun fact: In computer science, the word complexity-theoretic is much more common than complexity-theoretical when you mean in, of or related to complexity theory, although theoretical is more common than theoretic. I think that the same preference of “-theoretic” exists for other things called “ theory.”

– Tsuyoshi Ito
Dec 12 '10 at 2:39















@Tsuyoshi: I mentioned that in my answer. :-) (Forgot complexity theory, but mentioned set theory, number theory, game theory, information theory.) I think the "X-theoretical" forms are as rare as the word theoretic is outside of "X-theoretic".

– ShreevatsaR
Dec 13 '10 at 3:30





@Tsuyoshi: I mentioned that in my answer. :-) (Forgot complexity theory, but mentioned set theory, number theory, game theory, information theory.) I think the "X-theoretical" forms are as rare as the word theoretic is outside of "X-theoretic".

– ShreevatsaR
Dec 13 '10 at 3:30













@ShreevatsaR: Oops, thanks! I had read your answer, but probably I had somehow overlooked that part at that time.

– Tsuyoshi Ito
Dec 13 '10 at 3:44





@ShreevatsaR: Oops, thanks! I had read your answer, but probably I had somehow overlooked that part at that time.

– Tsuyoshi Ito
Dec 13 '10 at 3:44




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Related (younger): "Is there a rule for which suffix to use when creating adjectives from nouns?" and "Comic or Comical?".

– coleopterist
Oct 29 '12 at 20:03







Related (younger): "Is there a rule for which suffix to use when creating adjectives from nouns?" and "Comic or Comical?".

– coleopterist
Oct 29 '12 at 20:03












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The suffix -ic comes from Greek -ikos, while -ical is a combination of -ic and the French suffix -al. Originally, -al was suffixed to scientific nouns ending in -ics, e.g. mathematics - mathematical. Eventually, the -ical portion of those words was reanalyzed as being a single unit. This is what Marchand (1969) had to say about -ic vs. -ical at this time in their history:




There was, at the beginning, indiscriminate coexistence of two synonymous adjectives. But language does not like to have two words for one and the same notion, and competition was bound to come.




What Marchand is talking about is that these two redundant suffixes eventually settled into certain niches where they exist today (more on this later).



-ic and -ical doublets



There exist many -ic/-ical "doublets" in English, where both forms of the word exist and are used regularly.



For example:





  • historic and historical


  • electric and electrical


The words in common doublets have generally developed distinct meanings (or domains of use). For example, historical refers exclusively to things that happened in the past, while historic can refer to an event occurring at that very moment that will have a profound impact on history.



However, the differences in meanings between -ic and -ical words (in cases where both forms are used) cannot be generalized to a specific unique meaning that -ic or -ical itself contributes to the word.



That is to say, there is no general and consistent meaning that -ical uniquely contributes to historical, electrical, etc. Instead, each word as a whole just settles into its specific meaning.



Distribution Today



According to a systematic productivity measure by Lindsay and Aronoff (2010), the more productive of the two suffixes is clearly -ic, which is favored by approximately an 8 to 1 ratio using this measure. So, you are much more likely to have an -ic form of a word, or to have that form be the more commonly used form.



Now, if -ic is clearly used more than -ical, then why do we have both of these suffixes in the language?



Well, -ical has managed to differentiate itself from -ic, but not by contributing a specific meaning to the words it attaches to. Instead, -ical has found a specific morphological domain in which it attaches very productively: stems that end with the morpheme -(o)log-. Examples:





  • biological preferred over biologic


  • technological preferred over technologic


  • typological preferred over typologic


There are nearly 500 stems in Webster's 2nd dictionary that end in -olog. Using the same measure of productivity, Lindsay & Aronoff found that within the domain of these stems, the -ical suffix was itself preferred by an 8 to 1 ratio over -ic. That is to say, when there is an -(o)log morpheme at the end of the word, then people heavily favor -ical.



The notion of one suffix being productive when attaching to a certain suffix is known as "potentiation", coined by Williams (1981). (Another example of potentiation is what we see with words ending in -able. In general, -ness is considered a more productive suffix than -ity, but in words ending in -able, -ity is strongly preferred.)



Bear in mind that these are tendencies; while there is a strong preference for one form over another in certain cases, that does not mean that it is a perfect split.



Summary



-ic and -ical do not differentiate themselves semantically; however, both forms of a word can exist if each one settles into a different meaning, or otherwise has a different domain of usage (for example, one formal and the other informal). The actual differences in meaning between two forms in a doublet are essentially arbitrary.



While -ic is much more common overall (and could be argued to be the "default"), -ical is strongly preferred in stems ending in -(o)log-. Again, this is a tendency that began somewhat arbitrarily during the development of the language, but because words ending in -olog form such a large and relatively uniform group, a subpattern was able to emerge and stabilize, even as -ical remains in the minority.






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    Wow, wonderful answer.

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  • Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

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  • @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

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  • When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

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In some cases, an adjective has both -ic and -ical forms, with no difference in meaning. In some cases, there are two different words for two different meanings. In some cases, only one word exists. And of course, this is often historical and can change with time.



In your case, there are actually differences in meaning (at least as I would use them):




  • Geometric roughly means "related to geometry" — geometric optics, geometric algebra, etc. It's a technical word; if I use geometric in a phrase, the field of geometry probably actually enters into it in a non-trivial way. I'd use geometrical in uses like geometrical pattern, geometrical design, etc. — pleasing patterns made out of simple shapes like circles, triangles and squares. (This may be just an idiosyncrasy of mine, there are certainly books talking of geometrical optics, and people do use geometric where I'd say geometrical.)


  • The word theoretical is much more common than theoretic: for instance, theoretical physics is contrasted with practical (or applied) physics; something may be theoretical if it exists only in theory and not in reality, and so on. The word theoretic is rarely used, except in usages where you want to make an adjective out of some specific named theory, like set-theoretic definition (a definition that comes from, or uses, set theory), number-theoretic function (a function as usually defined in number theory), game-theoretic equilibrium (the equilibrium predicted by game theory), information-theoretic proof (a proof that uses information theory), etc.



So much for the specific words. Let's turn to the general issue of the two suffixes -ic and -ical. The following is the entry in Fowler (A Dictionary of Modern English Usage) for -ic(al), written in the good old days when one could speculate and have opinions about what would be nice for the language without being shouted down by descriptive linguists for committing grave sins like stifling its natural evolution. (In short, Fowler says that where two meanings can be differentiated, it's good to do so, and otherwise it's good to keep just one word.)




-ic(al). A great many adjectives appear with alternative forms in -ic and -ical. Often the choice between them on any particular occasion is immaterial, so far as the writer's immediate object is concerned. To those who can afford time to think also of the interests of the English language it may be suggested that there are two desirable tendencies to be assisted.



The first of these is DIFFERENTIATION. There are many pairs in -ic and -ical, each form well established and in constant use, but with a difference of meaning either complete or incipient. The final stage of differentiation is seen in politic and political, which are not even content, as usual, to share an adverb in -ically, but make politicly by the side of politically. Between economic and economical the distinction is nearly as clear, though the seal has not been set upon it by a double provision of adverbs; most writers are now aware that the two words mean different things, and have no difficulty in choosing the one required. This can hardly be said of comic(al), the short form of which is often made to do the other's work. And so the differentiations tail off into mere incipiency. Every well-established differentiation adds to the precision and power of the language; every observance of an incipient one helps it on the way to establishment, and every disregard of it checks it severely. It is therefore clear that writers have a responsibility in the matter.



The second laudable tendency is that of clearing away the unnecessary. When two forms coexist, and there are not two senses for them to be assigned to, it is clear gain that one should be got rid of. The scrapping process goes on slowly by natural selection; sometimes the determining cause is apparent, as when hysteric, cynic, and fanatic, give way to hysterical, cynical, and fanatical, because the former have acquired a new function as nouns; sometimes the reasons are obscure, as when electric and dynamic supersede the longer forms while hypothetic and botanic are themselves superseded. But that one or other should prevail is a gain; and it is a further gain if the process can be quickened. With this end in view, this dictionary states about many -ic(al) words, in their places, which appears to be the winning side, so that writers may be encouraged to espouse it.
Separate entries will be found (omitting -ic, -ical) for botan-, casuist-, com-, cub-, cyn-, diabol-, dynam-, econom-, electr-, fanat-, geograph-, geometr-, hypothet-, hyster-, ident-, lyr-, mag-, period-, philosoph-, sto-, trag-.




And there are entries for all those words, if you enjoy reading Fowler. In the third edition (1998) of the book, edited by Burchfield and notorious for radically changing Fowler's entries, there is an entirely new entry, that seeks to find patterns. The author's impression is that -ic is more common, and where both exist -ic is American and -ical is British:




ic(al) (adjvl suffix). This article attempts to assess in practical terms how complex the distribution is of adjectival forms ending in -ic and those ending in -ical. Since the mathematical unattractiveness of analysing the relevant evidence in large computerized corpora is self-evident—the number of adjs. ending in -ic and -ical is very large—I have searched my personal database instead and correlated the evidence with that presented in the COD (1990).



First, it should be borne in mind that we daily encounter many nouns (including proper names) and adjs. that happen to end in -ic but are not relevant to this article, e.g. chic, Eric, logic, music, republic, topic, traffic. Secondly, it would appear that a little more than half of the adjectives that fall within the sphere of this article always and only end in -ic. Thus COD lists alcoholic but not alcoholical, basic but not basical, dramatic but not dramatical, patriotic but not patriotical, plastic but not plastical, and so on. Thirdly, it would seem that about a quarter of all the relevant formations always and only end in -ical. Thus chemical but not chemic, farcical but not farcic, practical but not practic, radical but not radic, and so on. Fourthly, just on a fifth of all such words may end either with -ic or with -ical, sometimes with a difference of meaning and sometimes with no discernible difference. The more important of such words are dealt with at their alphabetical place, e.g. classic/classical, economic/economical, historic/historical.



Fifthly, for those pairs where there appears to be no difference of sense, I have formed a broad impression that the -ic forms are favoured in AmE and -ical ones in BrE; but the distribution is erratic, and is much influenced by the practice of particular publishing houses. Thus in American academic works the shorter forms geographic, geologic, immunologic, lexicographic, and pedagogic are more likely to occur than the longer forms geographical, etc., whereas in British publications the reverse is the case. On the other hand for many ordinary pairs, e.g. comic/comical, ironic/ironical, problematic/problematical, symmetric/symmetrical, the distribution is not governed by geography but by idiomatic or rhythmical considerations in a given context. Sixthly, it is a curiosity that all the above pairs of words have -ically as their adverbial equivalents, not -icly. The main exceptions are that public (which has no corresponding adj. form in -ical) has only publicly as the corresponding adverb; and there is no form politicly.




(Yeah, he directly contradicts Fowler's mention of politicly — it's now rare, I guess, as is the adjective politic — and people do use "publically", though I don't like that word and it isn't listed in some dictionaries.)



I realise that I haven't answered why both endings exist in the first place, but the moral of the story is that sometimes there is a difference in meanings, so the two endings are useful. Other times, the choice is entirely up to you.






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    I like that we have two thorough answers, each coming from different angles, both useful in their own way.

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‘The Cambridge Guide to English Usage’ acknowledges that there is often no reason for preferring one to the other, but points out that in some cases ‘the -ic spelling corresponds more closely to the core meaning of the stem, while the meaning of the -ical spelling is rather generalised.’



It has dedicated articles on a number of particular word pairs.



Of economic and economical:




Thus economic has generally displaced economical in references
to matters of economics and the structure of the economy at large;
and economical now relates to economy measures (or economies)
by which to avoid extravagance and wastage.




Of historic and historical:




Historic is more self-consciously associated with the making of history, so that a historic event is one which people feel is
particularly significant in the life and culture of the nation.
Historical is more neutral, acknowledging that something belongs to the past, or else that it really happened and is not fictitious.




Of comic and comical:




The first of these adjectives is more closely linked with comedy, as
in comic opera and a comic character. Comical is more loosely
used of anything that generates laughter, as in a comical
expression
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    In some cases, the usage changes over time (as noted already)...



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      No difference at all.



      They're the same derivational adjectivizing suffix -ic, which sometimes adds an additional adjectivizing suffix -al, just to sound more officializational.



      But there's no meaning difference at all. Any more than there is between soft-shell crabs and soft-shelled crabs. Two ways to say it, is all.






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        cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

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      • Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

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      • But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

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        Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

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        I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

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      The suffix -ic comes from Greek -ikos, while -ical is a combination of -ic and the French suffix -al. Originally, -al was suffixed to scientific nouns ending in -ics, e.g. mathematics - mathematical. Eventually, the -ical portion of those words was reanalyzed as being a single unit. This is what Marchand (1969) had to say about -ic vs. -ical at this time in their history:




      There was, at the beginning, indiscriminate coexistence of two synonymous adjectives. But language does not like to have two words for one and the same notion, and competition was bound to come.




      What Marchand is talking about is that these two redundant suffixes eventually settled into certain niches where they exist today (more on this later).



      -ic and -ical doublets



      There exist many -ic/-ical "doublets" in English, where both forms of the word exist and are used regularly.



      For example:





      • historic and historical


      • electric and electrical


      The words in common doublets have generally developed distinct meanings (or domains of use). For example, historical refers exclusively to things that happened in the past, while historic can refer to an event occurring at that very moment that will have a profound impact on history.



      However, the differences in meanings between -ic and -ical words (in cases where both forms are used) cannot be generalized to a specific unique meaning that -ic or -ical itself contributes to the word.



      That is to say, there is no general and consistent meaning that -ical uniquely contributes to historical, electrical, etc. Instead, each word as a whole just settles into its specific meaning.



      Distribution Today



      According to a systematic productivity measure by Lindsay and Aronoff (2010), the more productive of the two suffixes is clearly -ic, which is favored by approximately an 8 to 1 ratio using this measure. So, you are much more likely to have an -ic form of a word, or to have that form be the more commonly used form.



      Now, if -ic is clearly used more than -ical, then why do we have both of these suffixes in the language?



      Well, -ical has managed to differentiate itself from -ic, but not by contributing a specific meaning to the words it attaches to. Instead, -ical has found a specific morphological domain in which it attaches very productively: stems that end with the morpheme -(o)log-. Examples:





      • biological preferred over biologic


      • technological preferred over technologic


      • typological preferred over typologic


      There are nearly 500 stems in Webster's 2nd dictionary that end in -olog. Using the same measure of productivity, Lindsay & Aronoff found that within the domain of these stems, the -ical suffix was itself preferred by an 8 to 1 ratio over -ic. That is to say, when there is an -(o)log morpheme at the end of the word, then people heavily favor -ical.



      The notion of one suffix being productive when attaching to a certain suffix is known as "potentiation", coined by Williams (1981). (Another example of potentiation is what we see with words ending in -able. In general, -ness is considered a more productive suffix than -ity, but in words ending in -able, -ity is strongly preferred.)



      Bear in mind that these are tendencies; while there is a strong preference for one form over another in certain cases, that does not mean that it is a perfect split.



      Summary



      -ic and -ical do not differentiate themselves semantically; however, both forms of a word can exist if each one settles into a different meaning, or otherwise has a different domain of usage (for example, one formal and the other informal). The actual differences in meaning between two forms in a doublet are essentially arbitrary.



      While -ic is much more common overall (and could be argued to be the "default"), -ical is strongly preferred in stems ending in -(o)log-. Again, this is a tendency that began somewhat arbitrarily during the development of the language, but because words ending in -olog form such a large and relatively uniform group, a subpattern was able to emerge and stabilize, even as -ical remains in the minority.






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      • Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:22











      • @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

        – Kosmonaut
        Dec 11 '10 at 15:35













      • When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

        – Mentalist
        Feb 25 '16 at 2:41
















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      Origin



      The suffix -ic comes from Greek -ikos, while -ical is a combination of -ic and the French suffix -al. Originally, -al was suffixed to scientific nouns ending in -ics, e.g. mathematics - mathematical. Eventually, the -ical portion of those words was reanalyzed as being a single unit. This is what Marchand (1969) had to say about -ic vs. -ical at this time in their history:




      There was, at the beginning, indiscriminate coexistence of two synonymous adjectives. But language does not like to have two words for one and the same notion, and competition was bound to come.




      What Marchand is talking about is that these two redundant suffixes eventually settled into certain niches where they exist today (more on this later).



      -ic and -ical doublets



      There exist many -ic/-ical "doublets" in English, where both forms of the word exist and are used regularly.



      For example:





      • historic and historical


      • electric and electrical


      The words in common doublets have generally developed distinct meanings (or domains of use). For example, historical refers exclusively to things that happened in the past, while historic can refer to an event occurring at that very moment that will have a profound impact on history.



      However, the differences in meanings between -ic and -ical words (in cases where both forms are used) cannot be generalized to a specific unique meaning that -ic or -ical itself contributes to the word.



      That is to say, there is no general and consistent meaning that -ical uniquely contributes to historical, electrical, etc. Instead, each word as a whole just settles into its specific meaning.



      Distribution Today



      According to a systematic productivity measure by Lindsay and Aronoff (2010), the more productive of the two suffixes is clearly -ic, which is favored by approximately an 8 to 1 ratio using this measure. So, you are much more likely to have an -ic form of a word, or to have that form be the more commonly used form.



      Now, if -ic is clearly used more than -ical, then why do we have both of these suffixes in the language?



      Well, -ical has managed to differentiate itself from -ic, but not by contributing a specific meaning to the words it attaches to. Instead, -ical has found a specific morphological domain in which it attaches very productively: stems that end with the morpheme -(o)log-. Examples:





      • biological preferred over biologic


      • technological preferred over technologic


      • typological preferred over typologic


      There are nearly 500 stems in Webster's 2nd dictionary that end in -olog. Using the same measure of productivity, Lindsay & Aronoff found that within the domain of these stems, the -ical suffix was itself preferred by an 8 to 1 ratio over -ic. That is to say, when there is an -(o)log morpheme at the end of the word, then people heavily favor -ical.



      The notion of one suffix being productive when attaching to a certain suffix is known as "potentiation", coined by Williams (1981). (Another example of potentiation is what we see with words ending in -able. In general, -ness is considered a more productive suffix than -ity, but in words ending in -able, -ity is strongly preferred.)



      Bear in mind that these are tendencies; while there is a strong preference for one form over another in certain cases, that does not mean that it is a perfect split.



      Summary



      -ic and -ical do not differentiate themselves semantically; however, both forms of a word can exist if each one settles into a different meaning, or otherwise has a different domain of usage (for example, one formal and the other informal). The actual differences in meaning between two forms in a doublet are essentially arbitrary.



      While -ic is much more common overall (and could be argued to be the "default"), -ical is strongly preferred in stems ending in -(o)log-. Again, this is a tendency that began somewhat arbitrarily during the development of the language, but because words ending in -olog form such a large and relatively uniform group, a subpattern was able to emerge and stabilize, even as -ical remains in the minority.






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        Wow, wonderful answer.

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:19











      • Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:22











      • @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

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        Dec 11 '10 at 15:35













      • When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

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      Origin



      The suffix -ic comes from Greek -ikos, while -ical is a combination of -ic and the French suffix -al. Originally, -al was suffixed to scientific nouns ending in -ics, e.g. mathematics - mathematical. Eventually, the -ical portion of those words was reanalyzed as being a single unit. This is what Marchand (1969) had to say about -ic vs. -ical at this time in their history:




      There was, at the beginning, indiscriminate coexistence of two synonymous adjectives. But language does not like to have two words for one and the same notion, and competition was bound to come.




      What Marchand is talking about is that these two redundant suffixes eventually settled into certain niches where they exist today (more on this later).



      -ic and -ical doublets



      There exist many -ic/-ical "doublets" in English, where both forms of the word exist and are used regularly.



      For example:





      • historic and historical


      • electric and electrical


      The words in common doublets have generally developed distinct meanings (or domains of use). For example, historical refers exclusively to things that happened in the past, while historic can refer to an event occurring at that very moment that will have a profound impact on history.



      However, the differences in meanings between -ic and -ical words (in cases where both forms are used) cannot be generalized to a specific unique meaning that -ic or -ical itself contributes to the word.



      That is to say, there is no general and consistent meaning that -ical uniquely contributes to historical, electrical, etc. Instead, each word as a whole just settles into its specific meaning.



      Distribution Today



      According to a systematic productivity measure by Lindsay and Aronoff (2010), the more productive of the two suffixes is clearly -ic, which is favored by approximately an 8 to 1 ratio using this measure. So, you are much more likely to have an -ic form of a word, or to have that form be the more commonly used form.



      Now, if -ic is clearly used more than -ical, then why do we have both of these suffixes in the language?



      Well, -ical has managed to differentiate itself from -ic, but not by contributing a specific meaning to the words it attaches to. Instead, -ical has found a specific morphological domain in which it attaches very productively: stems that end with the morpheme -(o)log-. Examples:





      • biological preferred over biologic


      • technological preferred over technologic


      • typological preferred over typologic


      There are nearly 500 stems in Webster's 2nd dictionary that end in -olog. Using the same measure of productivity, Lindsay & Aronoff found that within the domain of these stems, the -ical suffix was itself preferred by an 8 to 1 ratio over -ic. That is to say, when there is an -(o)log morpheme at the end of the word, then people heavily favor -ical.



      The notion of one suffix being productive when attaching to a certain suffix is known as "potentiation", coined by Williams (1981). (Another example of potentiation is what we see with words ending in -able. In general, -ness is considered a more productive suffix than -ity, but in words ending in -able, -ity is strongly preferred.)



      Bear in mind that these are tendencies; while there is a strong preference for one form over another in certain cases, that does not mean that it is a perfect split.



      Summary



      -ic and -ical do not differentiate themselves semantically; however, both forms of a word can exist if each one settles into a different meaning, or otherwise has a different domain of usage (for example, one formal and the other informal). The actual differences in meaning between two forms in a doublet are essentially arbitrary.



      While -ic is much more common overall (and could be argued to be the "default"), -ical is strongly preferred in stems ending in -(o)log-. Again, this is a tendency that began somewhat arbitrarily during the development of the language, but because words ending in -olog form such a large and relatively uniform group, a subpattern was able to emerge and stabilize, even as -ical remains in the minority.






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      Origin



      The suffix -ic comes from Greek -ikos, while -ical is a combination of -ic and the French suffix -al. Originally, -al was suffixed to scientific nouns ending in -ics, e.g. mathematics - mathematical. Eventually, the -ical portion of those words was reanalyzed as being a single unit. This is what Marchand (1969) had to say about -ic vs. -ical at this time in their history:




      There was, at the beginning, indiscriminate coexistence of two synonymous adjectives. But language does not like to have two words for one and the same notion, and competition was bound to come.




      What Marchand is talking about is that these two redundant suffixes eventually settled into certain niches where they exist today (more on this later).



      -ic and -ical doublets



      There exist many -ic/-ical "doublets" in English, where both forms of the word exist and are used regularly.



      For example:





      • historic and historical


      • electric and electrical


      The words in common doublets have generally developed distinct meanings (or domains of use). For example, historical refers exclusively to things that happened in the past, while historic can refer to an event occurring at that very moment that will have a profound impact on history.



      However, the differences in meanings between -ic and -ical words (in cases where both forms are used) cannot be generalized to a specific unique meaning that -ic or -ical itself contributes to the word.



      That is to say, there is no general and consistent meaning that -ical uniquely contributes to historical, electrical, etc. Instead, each word as a whole just settles into its specific meaning.



      Distribution Today



      According to a systematic productivity measure by Lindsay and Aronoff (2010), the more productive of the two suffixes is clearly -ic, which is favored by approximately an 8 to 1 ratio using this measure. So, you are much more likely to have an -ic form of a word, or to have that form be the more commonly used form.



      Now, if -ic is clearly used more than -ical, then why do we have both of these suffixes in the language?



      Well, -ical has managed to differentiate itself from -ic, but not by contributing a specific meaning to the words it attaches to. Instead, -ical has found a specific morphological domain in which it attaches very productively: stems that end with the morpheme -(o)log-. Examples:





      • biological preferred over biologic


      • technological preferred over technologic


      • typological preferred over typologic


      There are nearly 500 stems in Webster's 2nd dictionary that end in -olog. Using the same measure of productivity, Lindsay & Aronoff found that within the domain of these stems, the -ical suffix was itself preferred by an 8 to 1 ratio over -ic. That is to say, when there is an -(o)log morpheme at the end of the word, then people heavily favor -ical.



      The notion of one suffix being productive when attaching to a certain suffix is known as "potentiation", coined by Williams (1981). (Another example of potentiation is what we see with words ending in -able. In general, -ness is considered a more productive suffix than -ity, but in words ending in -able, -ity is strongly preferred.)



      Bear in mind that these are tendencies; while there is a strong preference for one form over another in certain cases, that does not mean that it is a perfect split.



      Summary



      -ic and -ical do not differentiate themselves semantically; however, both forms of a word can exist if each one settles into a different meaning, or otherwise has a different domain of usage (for example, one formal and the other informal). The actual differences in meaning between two forms in a doublet are essentially arbitrary.



      While -ic is much more common overall (and could be argued to be the "default"), -ical is strongly preferred in stems ending in -(o)log-. Again, this is a tendency that began somewhat arbitrarily during the development of the language, but because words ending in -olog form such a large and relatively uniform group, a subpattern was able to emerge and stabilize, even as -ical remains in the minority.







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        Wow, wonderful answer.

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:19











      • Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:22











      • @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

        – Kosmonaut
        Dec 11 '10 at 15:35













      • When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

        – Mentalist
        Feb 25 '16 at 2:41














      • 19





        Wow, wonderful answer.

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:19











      • Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

        – ShreevatsaR
        Dec 10 '10 at 22:22











      • @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

        – Kosmonaut
        Dec 11 '10 at 15:35













      • When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

        – Mentalist
        Feb 25 '16 at 2:41








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      19





      Wow, wonderful answer.

      – ShreevatsaR
      Dec 10 '10 at 22:19





      Wow, wonderful answer.

      – ShreevatsaR
      Dec 10 '10 at 22:19













      Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

      – ShreevatsaR
      Dec 10 '10 at 22:22





      Question: what about both forms existing without difference in meaning? Is Burchfield's impression that British English tends to use -ical (e.g. geographical, lexicographical) wrong, or is -ic the default only in American English?

      – ShreevatsaR
      Dec 10 '10 at 22:22













      @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

      – Kosmonaut
      Dec 11 '10 at 15:35







      @ShreevatsaR: No, it could be true. The doublets don't only have to distinguish themselves on semantic grounds to both be active words, they could distinguish themselves on pragmatic/sociolinguistic grounds as well. For example, neurologists themselves using "neurologic" rather than "neurological". In such cases, I believe that the "neurologic" form represents a sociolinguistic in-group, industry term. But I had never heard about a Br-Am difference in academic situations. I don't know if Burchfield is right, but there is no reason I would predict he must be wrong.

      – Kosmonaut
      Dec 11 '10 at 15:35















      When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

      – Mentalist
      Feb 25 '16 at 2:41





      When naming a project I was trying to decide between "cyclic glow" and "cyclical glow", and I think -ical is easier to pronounce and easier for the listener to pick up. If we say "cyclic glow" we need to emphasize the pause between words more in order to pronounce it clearly. Has there been any preference observed depending on the word that follows? In this case having a G after a C with -ic makes -ical my preferred choice, but if it were "cyclic switch" instead, for example, I would feel comfortable with -ic. Just a curious observation.

      – Mentalist
      Feb 25 '16 at 2:41













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      In some cases, an adjective has both -ic and -ical forms, with no difference in meaning. In some cases, there are two different words for two different meanings. In some cases, only one word exists. And of course, this is often historical and can change with time.



      In your case, there are actually differences in meaning (at least as I would use them):




      • Geometric roughly means "related to geometry" — geometric optics, geometric algebra, etc. It's a technical word; if I use geometric in a phrase, the field of geometry probably actually enters into it in a non-trivial way. I'd use geometrical in uses like geometrical pattern, geometrical design, etc. — pleasing patterns made out of simple shapes like circles, triangles and squares. (This may be just an idiosyncrasy of mine, there are certainly books talking of geometrical optics, and people do use geometric where I'd say geometrical.)


      • The word theoretical is much more common than theoretic: for instance, theoretical physics is contrasted with practical (or applied) physics; something may be theoretical if it exists only in theory and not in reality, and so on. The word theoretic is rarely used, except in usages where you want to make an adjective out of some specific named theory, like set-theoretic definition (a definition that comes from, or uses, set theory), number-theoretic function (a function as usually defined in number theory), game-theoretic equilibrium (the equilibrium predicted by game theory), information-theoretic proof (a proof that uses information theory), etc.



      So much for the specific words. Let's turn to the general issue of the two suffixes -ic and -ical. The following is the entry in Fowler (A Dictionary of Modern English Usage) for -ic(al), written in the good old days when one could speculate and have opinions about what would be nice for the language without being shouted down by descriptive linguists for committing grave sins like stifling its natural evolution. (In short, Fowler says that where two meanings can be differentiated, it's good to do so, and otherwise it's good to keep just one word.)




      -ic(al). A great many adjectives appear with alternative forms in -ic and -ical. Often the choice between them on any particular occasion is immaterial, so far as the writer's immediate object is concerned. To those who can afford time to think also of the interests of the English language it may be suggested that there are two desirable tendencies to be assisted.



      The first of these is DIFFERENTIATION. There are many pairs in -ic and -ical, each form well established and in constant use, but with a difference of meaning either complete or incipient. The final stage of differentiation is seen in politic and political, which are not even content, as usual, to share an adverb in -ically, but make politicly by the side of politically. Between economic and economical the distinction is nearly as clear, though the seal has not been set upon it by a double provision of adverbs; most writers are now aware that the two words mean different things, and have no difficulty in choosing the one required. This can hardly be said of comic(al), the short form of which is often made to do the other's work. And so the differentiations tail off into mere incipiency. Every well-established differentiation adds to the precision and power of the language; every observance of an incipient one helps it on the way to establishment, and every disregard of it checks it severely. It is therefore clear that writers have a responsibility in the matter.



      The second laudable tendency is that of clearing away the unnecessary. When two forms coexist, and there are not two senses for them to be assigned to, it is clear gain that one should be got rid of. The scrapping process goes on slowly by natural selection; sometimes the determining cause is apparent, as when hysteric, cynic, and fanatic, give way to hysterical, cynical, and fanatical, because the former have acquired a new function as nouns; sometimes the reasons are obscure, as when electric and dynamic supersede the longer forms while hypothetic and botanic are themselves superseded. But that one or other should prevail is a gain; and it is a further gain if the process can be quickened. With this end in view, this dictionary states about many -ic(al) words, in their places, which appears to be the winning side, so that writers may be encouraged to espouse it.
      Separate entries will be found (omitting -ic, -ical) for botan-, casuist-, com-, cub-, cyn-, diabol-, dynam-, econom-, electr-, fanat-, geograph-, geometr-, hypothet-, hyster-, ident-, lyr-, mag-, period-, philosoph-, sto-, trag-.




      And there are entries for all those words, if you enjoy reading Fowler. In the third edition (1998) of the book, edited by Burchfield and notorious for radically changing Fowler's entries, there is an entirely new entry, that seeks to find patterns. The author's impression is that -ic is more common, and where both exist -ic is American and -ical is British:




      ic(al) (adjvl suffix). This article attempts to assess in practical terms how complex the distribution is of adjectival forms ending in -ic and those ending in -ical. Since the mathematical unattractiveness of analysing the relevant evidence in large computerized corpora is self-evident—the number of adjs. ending in -ic and -ical is very large—I have searched my personal database instead and correlated the evidence with that presented in the COD (1990).



      First, it should be borne in mind that we daily encounter many nouns (including proper names) and adjs. that happen to end in -ic but are not relevant to this article, e.g. chic, Eric, logic, music, republic, topic, traffic. Secondly, it would appear that a little more than half of the adjectives that fall within the sphere of this article always and only end in -ic. Thus COD lists alcoholic but not alcoholical, basic but not basical, dramatic but not dramatical, patriotic but not patriotical, plastic but not plastical, and so on. Thirdly, it would seem that about a quarter of all the relevant formations always and only end in -ical. Thus chemical but not chemic, farcical but not farcic, practical but not practic, radical but not radic, and so on. Fourthly, just on a fifth of all such words may end either with -ic or with -ical, sometimes with a difference of meaning and sometimes with no discernible difference. The more important of such words are dealt with at their alphabetical place, e.g. classic/classical, economic/economical, historic/historical.



      Fifthly, for those pairs where there appears to be no difference of sense, I have formed a broad impression that the -ic forms are favoured in AmE and -ical ones in BrE; but the distribution is erratic, and is much influenced by the practice of particular publishing houses. Thus in American academic works the shorter forms geographic, geologic, immunologic, lexicographic, and pedagogic are more likely to occur than the longer forms geographical, etc., whereas in British publications the reverse is the case. On the other hand for many ordinary pairs, e.g. comic/comical, ironic/ironical, problematic/problematical, symmetric/symmetrical, the distribution is not governed by geography but by idiomatic or rhythmical considerations in a given context. Sixthly, it is a curiosity that all the above pairs of words have -ically as their adverbial equivalents, not -icly. The main exceptions are that public (which has no corresponding adj. form in -ical) has only publicly as the corresponding adverb; and there is no form politicly.




      (Yeah, he directly contradicts Fowler's mention of politicly — it's now rare, I guess, as is the adjective politic — and people do use "publically", though I don't like that word and it isn't listed in some dictionaries.)



      I realise that I haven't answered why both endings exist in the first place, but the moral of the story is that sometimes there is a difference in meanings, so the two endings are useful. Other times, the choice is entirely up to you.






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      In some cases, an adjective has both -ic and -ical forms, with no difference in meaning. In some cases, there are two different words for two different meanings. In some cases, only one word exists. And of course, this is often historical and can change with time.



      In your case, there are actually differences in meaning (at least as I would use them):




      • Geometric roughly means "related to geometry" — geometric optics, geometric algebra, etc. It's a technical word; if I use geometric in a phrase, the field of geometry probably actually enters into it in a non-trivial way. I'd use geometrical in uses like geometrical pattern, geometrical design, etc. — pleasing patterns made out of simple shapes like circles, triangles and squares. (This may be just an idiosyncrasy of mine, there are certainly books talking of geometrical optics, and people do use geometric where I'd say geometrical.)


      • The word theoretical is much more common than theoretic: for instance, theoretical physics is contrasted with practical (or applied) physics; something may be theoretical if it exists only in theory and not in reality, and so on. The word theoretic is rarely used, except in usages where you want to make an adjective out of some specific named theory, like set-theoretic definition (a definition that comes from, or uses, set theory), number-theoretic function (a function as usually defined in number theory), game-theoretic equilibrium (the equilibrium predicted by game theory), information-theoretic proof (a proof that uses information theory), etc.



      So much for the specific words. Let's turn to the general issue of the two suffixes -ic and -ical. The following is the entry in Fowler (A Dictionary of Modern English Usage) for -ic(al), written in the good old days when one could speculate and have opinions about what would be nice for the language without being shouted down by descriptive linguists for committing grave sins like stifling its natural evolution. (In short, Fowler says that where two meanings can be differentiated, it's good to do so, and otherwise it's good to keep just one word.)




      -ic(al). A great many adjectives appear with alternative forms in -ic and -ical. Often the choice between them on any particular occasion is immaterial, so far as the writer's immediate object is concerned. To those who can afford time to think also of the interests of the English language it may be suggested that there are two desirable tendencies to be assisted.



      The first of these is DIFFERENTIATION. There are many pairs in -ic and -ical, each form well established and in constant use, but with a difference of meaning either complete or incipient. The final stage of differentiation is seen in politic and political, which are not even content, as usual, to share an adverb in -ically, but make politicly by the side of politically. Between economic and economical the distinction is nearly as clear, though the seal has not been set upon it by a double provision of adverbs; most writers are now aware that the two words mean different things, and have no difficulty in choosing the one required. This can hardly be said of comic(al), the short form of which is often made to do the other's work. And so the differentiations tail off into mere incipiency. Every well-established differentiation adds to the precision and power of the language; every observance of an incipient one helps it on the way to establishment, and every disregard of it checks it severely. It is therefore clear that writers have a responsibility in the matter.



      The second laudable tendency is that of clearing away the unnecessary. When two forms coexist, and there are not two senses for them to be assigned to, it is clear gain that one should be got rid of. The scrapping process goes on slowly by natural selection; sometimes the determining cause is apparent, as when hysteric, cynic, and fanatic, give way to hysterical, cynical, and fanatical, because the former have acquired a new function as nouns; sometimes the reasons are obscure, as when electric and dynamic supersede the longer forms while hypothetic and botanic are themselves superseded. But that one or other should prevail is a gain; and it is a further gain if the process can be quickened. With this end in view, this dictionary states about many -ic(al) words, in their places, which appears to be the winning side, so that writers may be encouraged to espouse it.
      Separate entries will be found (omitting -ic, -ical) for botan-, casuist-, com-, cub-, cyn-, diabol-, dynam-, econom-, electr-, fanat-, geograph-, geometr-, hypothet-, hyster-, ident-, lyr-, mag-, period-, philosoph-, sto-, trag-.




      And there are entries for all those words, if you enjoy reading Fowler. In the third edition (1998) of the book, edited by Burchfield and notorious for radically changing Fowler's entries, there is an entirely new entry, that seeks to find patterns. The author's impression is that -ic is more common, and where both exist -ic is American and -ical is British:




      ic(al) (adjvl suffix). This article attempts to assess in practical terms how complex the distribution is of adjectival forms ending in -ic and those ending in -ical. Since the mathematical unattractiveness of analysing the relevant evidence in large computerized corpora is self-evident—the number of adjs. ending in -ic and -ical is very large—I have searched my personal database instead and correlated the evidence with that presented in the COD (1990).



      First, it should be borne in mind that we daily encounter many nouns (including proper names) and adjs. that happen to end in -ic but are not relevant to this article, e.g. chic, Eric, logic, music, republic, topic, traffic. Secondly, it would appear that a little more than half of the adjectives that fall within the sphere of this article always and only end in -ic. Thus COD lists alcoholic but not alcoholical, basic but not basical, dramatic but not dramatical, patriotic but not patriotical, plastic but not plastical, and so on. Thirdly, it would seem that about a quarter of all the relevant formations always and only end in -ical. Thus chemical but not chemic, farcical but not farcic, practical but not practic, radical but not radic, and so on. Fourthly, just on a fifth of all such words may end either with -ic or with -ical, sometimes with a difference of meaning and sometimes with no discernible difference. The more important of such words are dealt with at their alphabetical place, e.g. classic/classical, economic/economical, historic/historical.



      Fifthly, for those pairs where there appears to be no difference of sense, I have formed a broad impression that the -ic forms are favoured in AmE and -ical ones in BrE; but the distribution is erratic, and is much influenced by the practice of particular publishing houses. Thus in American academic works the shorter forms geographic, geologic, immunologic, lexicographic, and pedagogic are more likely to occur than the longer forms geographical, etc., whereas in British publications the reverse is the case. On the other hand for many ordinary pairs, e.g. comic/comical, ironic/ironical, problematic/problematical, symmetric/symmetrical, the distribution is not governed by geography but by idiomatic or rhythmical considerations in a given context. Sixthly, it is a curiosity that all the above pairs of words have -ically as their adverbial equivalents, not -icly. The main exceptions are that public (which has no corresponding adj. form in -ical) has only publicly as the corresponding adverb; and there is no form politicly.




      (Yeah, he directly contradicts Fowler's mention of politicly — it's now rare, I guess, as is the adjective politic — and people do use "publically", though I don't like that word and it isn't listed in some dictionaries.)



      I realise that I haven't answered why both endings exist in the first place, but the moral of the story is that sometimes there is a difference in meanings, so the two endings are useful. Other times, the choice is entirely up to you.






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      In some cases, an adjective has both -ic and -ical forms, with no difference in meaning. In some cases, there are two different words for two different meanings. In some cases, only one word exists. And of course, this is often historical and can change with time.



      In your case, there are actually differences in meaning (at least as I would use them):




      • Geometric roughly means "related to geometry" — geometric optics, geometric algebra, etc. It's a technical word; if I use geometric in a phrase, the field of geometry probably actually enters into it in a non-trivial way. I'd use geometrical in uses like geometrical pattern, geometrical design, etc. — pleasing patterns made out of simple shapes like circles, triangles and squares. (This may be just an idiosyncrasy of mine, there are certainly books talking of geometrical optics, and people do use geometric where I'd say geometrical.)


      • The word theoretical is much more common than theoretic: for instance, theoretical physics is contrasted with practical (or applied) physics; something may be theoretical if it exists only in theory and not in reality, and so on. The word theoretic is rarely used, except in usages where you want to make an adjective out of some specific named theory, like set-theoretic definition (a definition that comes from, or uses, set theory), number-theoretic function (a function as usually defined in number theory), game-theoretic equilibrium (the equilibrium predicted by game theory), information-theoretic proof (a proof that uses information theory), etc.



      So much for the specific words. Let's turn to the general issue of the two suffixes -ic and -ical. The following is the entry in Fowler (A Dictionary of Modern English Usage) for -ic(al), written in the good old days when one could speculate and have opinions about what would be nice for the language without being shouted down by descriptive linguists for committing grave sins like stifling its natural evolution. (In short, Fowler says that where two meanings can be differentiated, it's good to do so, and otherwise it's good to keep just one word.)




      -ic(al). A great many adjectives appear with alternative forms in -ic and -ical. Often the choice between them on any particular occasion is immaterial, so far as the writer's immediate object is concerned. To those who can afford time to think also of the interests of the English language it may be suggested that there are two desirable tendencies to be assisted.



      The first of these is DIFFERENTIATION. There are many pairs in -ic and -ical, each form well established and in constant use, but with a difference of meaning either complete or incipient. The final stage of differentiation is seen in politic and political, which are not even content, as usual, to share an adverb in -ically, but make politicly by the side of politically. Between economic and economical the distinction is nearly as clear, though the seal has not been set upon it by a double provision of adverbs; most writers are now aware that the two words mean different things, and have no difficulty in choosing the one required. This can hardly be said of comic(al), the short form of which is often made to do the other's work. And so the differentiations tail off into mere incipiency. Every well-established differentiation adds to the precision and power of the language; every observance of an incipient one helps it on the way to establishment, and every disregard of it checks it severely. It is therefore clear that writers have a responsibility in the matter.



      The second laudable tendency is that of clearing away the unnecessary. When two forms coexist, and there are not two senses for them to be assigned to, it is clear gain that one should be got rid of. The scrapping process goes on slowly by natural selection; sometimes the determining cause is apparent, as when hysteric, cynic, and fanatic, give way to hysterical, cynical, and fanatical, because the former have acquired a new function as nouns; sometimes the reasons are obscure, as when electric and dynamic supersede the longer forms while hypothetic and botanic are themselves superseded. But that one or other should prevail is a gain; and it is a further gain if the process can be quickened. With this end in view, this dictionary states about many -ic(al) words, in their places, which appears to be the winning side, so that writers may be encouraged to espouse it.
      Separate entries will be found (omitting -ic, -ical) for botan-, casuist-, com-, cub-, cyn-, diabol-, dynam-, econom-, electr-, fanat-, geograph-, geometr-, hypothet-, hyster-, ident-, lyr-, mag-, period-, philosoph-, sto-, trag-.




      And there are entries for all those words, if you enjoy reading Fowler. In the third edition (1998) of the book, edited by Burchfield and notorious for radically changing Fowler's entries, there is an entirely new entry, that seeks to find patterns. The author's impression is that -ic is more common, and where both exist -ic is American and -ical is British:




      ic(al) (adjvl suffix). This article attempts to assess in practical terms how complex the distribution is of adjectival forms ending in -ic and those ending in -ical. Since the mathematical unattractiveness of analysing the relevant evidence in large computerized corpora is self-evident—the number of adjs. ending in -ic and -ical is very large—I have searched my personal database instead and correlated the evidence with that presented in the COD (1990).



      First, it should be borne in mind that we daily encounter many nouns (including proper names) and adjs. that happen to end in -ic but are not relevant to this article, e.g. chic, Eric, logic, music, republic, topic, traffic. Secondly, it would appear that a little more than half of the adjectives that fall within the sphere of this article always and only end in -ic. Thus COD lists alcoholic but not alcoholical, basic but not basical, dramatic but not dramatical, patriotic but not patriotical, plastic but not plastical, and so on. Thirdly, it would seem that about a quarter of all the relevant formations always and only end in -ical. Thus chemical but not chemic, farcical but not farcic, practical but not practic, radical but not radic, and so on. Fourthly, just on a fifth of all such words may end either with -ic or with -ical, sometimes with a difference of meaning and sometimes with no discernible difference. The more important of such words are dealt with at their alphabetical place, e.g. classic/classical, economic/economical, historic/historical.



      Fifthly, for those pairs where there appears to be no difference of sense, I have formed a broad impression that the -ic forms are favoured in AmE and -ical ones in BrE; but the distribution is erratic, and is much influenced by the practice of particular publishing houses. Thus in American academic works the shorter forms geographic, geologic, immunologic, lexicographic, and pedagogic are more likely to occur than the longer forms geographical, etc., whereas in British publications the reverse is the case. On the other hand for many ordinary pairs, e.g. comic/comical, ironic/ironical, problematic/problematical, symmetric/symmetrical, the distribution is not governed by geography but by idiomatic or rhythmical considerations in a given context. Sixthly, it is a curiosity that all the above pairs of words have -ically as their adverbial equivalents, not -icly. The main exceptions are that public (which has no corresponding adj. form in -ical) has only publicly as the corresponding adverb; and there is no form politicly.




      (Yeah, he directly contradicts Fowler's mention of politicly — it's now rare, I guess, as is the adjective politic — and people do use "publically", though I don't like that word and it isn't listed in some dictionaries.)



      I realise that I haven't answered why both endings exist in the first place, but the moral of the story is that sometimes there is a difference in meanings, so the two endings are useful. Other times, the choice is entirely up to you.






      share|improve this answer













      In some cases, an adjective has both -ic and -ical forms, with no difference in meaning. In some cases, there are two different words for two different meanings. In some cases, only one word exists. And of course, this is often historical and can change with time.



      In your case, there are actually differences in meaning (at least as I would use them):




      • Geometric roughly means "related to geometry" — geometric optics, geometric algebra, etc. It's a technical word; if I use geometric in a phrase, the field of geometry probably actually enters into it in a non-trivial way. I'd use geometrical in uses like geometrical pattern, geometrical design, etc. — pleasing patterns made out of simple shapes like circles, triangles and squares. (This may be just an idiosyncrasy of mine, there are certainly books talking of geometrical optics, and people do use geometric where I'd say geometrical.)


      • The word theoretical is much more common than theoretic: for instance, theoretical physics is contrasted with practical (or applied) physics; something may be theoretical if it exists only in theory and not in reality, and so on. The word theoretic is rarely used, except in usages where you want to make an adjective out of some specific named theory, like set-theoretic definition (a definition that comes from, or uses, set theory), number-theoretic function (a function as usually defined in number theory), game-theoretic equilibrium (the equilibrium predicted by game theory), information-theoretic proof (a proof that uses information theory), etc.



      So much for the specific words. Let's turn to the general issue of the two suffixes -ic and -ical. The following is the entry in Fowler (A Dictionary of Modern English Usage) for -ic(al), written in the good old days when one could speculate and have opinions about what would be nice for the language without being shouted down by descriptive linguists for committing grave sins like stifling its natural evolution. (In short, Fowler says that where two meanings can be differentiated, it's good to do so, and otherwise it's good to keep just one word.)




      -ic(al). A great many adjectives appear with alternative forms in -ic and -ical. Often the choice between them on any particular occasion is immaterial, so far as the writer's immediate object is concerned. To those who can afford time to think also of the interests of the English language it may be suggested that there are two desirable tendencies to be assisted.



      The first of these is DIFFERENTIATION. There are many pairs in -ic and -ical, each form well established and in constant use, but with a difference of meaning either complete or incipient. The final stage of differentiation is seen in politic and political, which are not even content, as usual, to share an adverb in -ically, but make politicly by the side of politically. Between economic and economical the distinction is nearly as clear, though the seal has not been set upon it by a double provision of adverbs; most writers are now aware that the two words mean different things, and have no difficulty in choosing the one required. This can hardly be said of comic(al), the short form of which is often made to do the other's work. And so the differentiations tail off into mere incipiency. Every well-established differentiation adds to the precision and power of the language; every observance of an incipient one helps it on the way to establishment, and every disregard of it checks it severely. It is therefore clear that writers have a responsibility in the matter.



      The second laudable tendency is that of clearing away the unnecessary. When two forms coexist, and there are not two senses for them to be assigned to, it is clear gain that one should be got rid of. The scrapping process goes on slowly by natural selection; sometimes the determining cause is apparent, as when hysteric, cynic, and fanatic, give way to hysterical, cynical, and fanatical, because the former have acquired a new function as nouns; sometimes the reasons are obscure, as when electric and dynamic supersede the longer forms while hypothetic and botanic are themselves superseded. But that one or other should prevail is a gain; and it is a further gain if the process can be quickened. With this end in view, this dictionary states about many -ic(al) words, in their places, which appears to be the winning side, so that writers may be encouraged to espouse it.
      Separate entries will be found (omitting -ic, -ical) for botan-, casuist-, com-, cub-, cyn-, diabol-, dynam-, econom-, electr-, fanat-, geograph-, geometr-, hypothet-, hyster-, ident-, lyr-, mag-, period-, philosoph-, sto-, trag-.




      And there are entries for all those words, if you enjoy reading Fowler. In the third edition (1998) of the book, edited by Burchfield and notorious for radically changing Fowler's entries, there is an entirely new entry, that seeks to find patterns. The author's impression is that -ic is more common, and where both exist -ic is American and -ical is British:




      ic(al) (adjvl suffix). This article attempts to assess in practical terms how complex the distribution is of adjectival forms ending in -ic and those ending in -ical. Since the mathematical unattractiveness of analysing the relevant evidence in large computerized corpora is self-evident—the number of adjs. ending in -ic and -ical is very large—I have searched my personal database instead and correlated the evidence with that presented in the COD (1990).



      First, it should be borne in mind that we daily encounter many nouns (including proper names) and adjs. that happen to end in -ic but are not relevant to this article, e.g. chic, Eric, logic, music, republic, topic, traffic. Secondly, it would appear that a little more than half of the adjectives that fall within the sphere of this article always and only end in -ic. Thus COD lists alcoholic but not alcoholical, basic but not basical, dramatic but not dramatical, patriotic but not patriotical, plastic but not plastical, and so on. Thirdly, it would seem that about a quarter of all the relevant formations always and only end in -ical. Thus chemical but not chemic, farcical but not farcic, practical but not practic, radical but not radic, and so on. Fourthly, just on a fifth of all such words may end either with -ic or with -ical, sometimes with a difference of meaning and sometimes with no discernible difference. The more important of such words are dealt with at their alphabetical place, e.g. classic/classical, economic/economical, historic/historical.



      Fifthly, for those pairs where there appears to be no difference of sense, I have formed a broad impression that the -ic forms are favoured in AmE and -ical ones in BrE; but the distribution is erratic, and is much influenced by the practice of particular publishing houses. Thus in American academic works the shorter forms geographic, geologic, immunologic, lexicographic, and pedagogic are more likely to occur than the longer forms geographical, etc., whereas in British publications the reverse is the case. On the other hand for many ordinary pairs, e.g. comic/comical, ironic/ironical, problematic/problematical, symmetric/symmetrical, the distribution is not governed by geography but by idiomatic or rhythmical considerations in a given context. Sixthly, it is a curiosity that all the above pairs of words have -ically as their adverbial equivalents, not -icly. The main exceptions are that public (which has no corresponding adj. form in -ical) has only publicly as the corresponding adverb; and there is no form politicly.




      (Yeah, he directly contradicts Fowler's mention of politicly — it's now rare, I guess, as is the adjective politic — and people do use "publically", though I don't like that word and it isn't listed in some dictionaries.)



      I realise that I haven't answered why both endings exist in the first place, but the moral of the story is that sometimes there is a difference in meanings, so the two endings are useful. Other times, the choice is entirely up to you.







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        I like that we have two thorough answers, each coming from different angles, both useful in their own way.

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        I like that we have two thorough answers, each coming from different angles, both useful in their own way.

        – Kosmonaut
        Dec 11 '10 at 15:42








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      I like that we have two thorough answers, each coming from different angles, both useful in their own way.

      – Kosmonaut
      Dec 11 '10 at 15:42





      I like that we have two thorough answers, each coming from different angles, both useful in their own way.

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      ‘The Cambridge Guide to English Usage’ acknowledges that there is often no reason for preferring one to the other, but points out that in some cases ‘the -ic spelling corresponds more closely to the core meaning of the stem, while the meaning of the -ical spelling is rather generalised.’



      It has dedicated articles on a number of particular word pairs.



      Of economic and economical:




      Thus economic has generally displaced economical in references
      to matters of economics and the structure of the economy at large;
      and economical now relates to economy measures (or economies)
      by which to avoid extravagance and wastage.




      Of historic and historical:




      Historic is more self-consciously associated with the making of history, so that a historic event is one which people feel is
      particularly significant in the life and culture of the nation.
      Historical is more neutral, acknowledging that something belongs to the past, or else that it really happened and is not fictitious.




      Of comic and comical:




      The first of these adjectives is more closely linked with comedy, as
      in comic opera and a comic character. Comical is more loosely
      used of anything that generates laughter, as in a comical
      expression
      .







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        ‘The Cambridge Guide to English Usage’ acknowledges that there is often no reason for preferring one to the other, but points out that in some cases ‘the -ic spelling corresponds more closely to the core meaning of the stem, while the meaning of the -ical spelling is rather generalised.’



        It has dedicated articles on a number of particular word pairs.



        Of economic and economical:




        Thus economic has generally displaced economical in references
        to matters of economics and the structure of the economy at large;
        and economical now relates to economy measures (or economies)
        by which to avoid extravagance and wastage.




        Of historic and historical:




        Historic is more self-consciously associated with the making of history, so that a historic event is one which people feel is
        particularly significant in the life and culture of the nation.
        Historical is more neutral, acknowledging that something belongs to the past, or else that it really happened and is not fictitious.




        Of comic and comical:




        The first of these adjectives is more closely linked with comedy, as
        in comic opera and a comic character. Comical is more loosely
        used of anything that generates laughter, as in a comical
        expression
        .







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          ‘The Cambridge Guide to English Usage’ acknowledges that there is often no reason for preferring one to the other, but points out that in some cases ‘the -ic spelling corresponds more closely to the core meaning of the stem, while the meaning of the -ical spelling is rather generalised.’



          It has dedicated articles on a number of particular word pairs.



          Of economic and economical:




          Thus economic has generally displaced economical in references
          to matters of economics and the structure of the economy at large;
          and economical now relates to economy measures (or economies)
          by which to avoid extravagance and wastage.




          Of historic and historical:




          Historic is more self-consciously associated with the making of history, so that a historic event is one which people feel is
          particularly significant in the life and culture of the nation.
          Historical is more neutral, acknowledging that something belongs to the past, or else that it really happened and is not fictitious.




          Of comic and comical:




          The first of these adjectives is more closely linked with comedy, as
          in comic opera and a comic character. Comical is more loosely
          used of anything that generates laughter, as in a comical
          expression
          .







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          ‘The Cambridge Guide to English Usage’ acknowledges that there is often no reason for preferring one to the other, but points out that in some cases ‘the -ic spelling corresponds more closely to the core meaning of the stem, while the meaning of the -ical spelling is rather generalised.’



          It has dedicated articles on a number of particular word pairs.



          Of economic and economical:




          Thus economic has generally displaced economical in references
          to matters of economics and the structure of the economy at large;
          and economical now relates to economy measures (or economies)
          by which to avoid extravagance and wastage.




          Of historic and historical:




          Historic is more self-consciously associated with the making of history, so that a historic event is one which people feel is
          particularly significant in the life and culture of the nation.
          Historical is more neutral, acknowledging that something belongs to the past, or else that it really happened and is not fictitious.




          Of comic and comical:




          The first of these adjectives is more closely linked with comedy, as
          in comic opera and a comic character. Comical is more loosely
          used of anything that generates laughter, as in a comical
          expression
          .








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                      No difference at all.



                      They're the same derivational adjectivizing suffix -ic, which sometimes adds an additional adjectivizing suffix -al, just to sound more officializational.



                      But there's no meaning difference at all. Any more than there is between soft-shell crabs and soft-shelled crabs. Two ways to say it, is all.






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                        cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

                        – coleopterist
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:11











                      • Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

                        – John Lawler
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:13











                      • But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

                        – J.R.
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:38






                      • 5





                        Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

                        – itsbruce
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:41






                      • 1





                        I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

                        – Robusto
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:46
















                      1














                      No difference at all.



                      They're the same derivational adjectivizing suffix -ic, which sometimes adds an additional adjectivizing suffix -al, just to sound more officializational.



                      But there's no meaning difference at all. Any more than there is between soft-shell crabs and soft-shelled crabs. Two ways to say it, is all.






                      share|improve this answer



















                      • 2





                        cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

                        – coleopterist
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:11











                      • Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

                        – John Lawler
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:13











                      • But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

                        – J.R.
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:38






                      • 5





                        Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

                        – itsbruce
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:41






                      • 1





                        I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

                        – Robusto
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:46














                      1












                      1








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                      No difference at all.



                      They're the same derivational adjectivizing suffix -ic, which sometimes adds an additional adjectivizing suffix -al, just to sound more officializational.



                      But there's no meaning difference at all. Any more than there is between soft-shell crabs and soft-shelled crabs. Two ways to say it, is all.






                      share|improve this answer













                      No difference at all.



                      They're the same derivational adjectivizing suffix -ic, which sometimes adds an additional adjectivizing suffix -al, just to sound more officializational.



                      But there's no meaning difference at all. Any more than there is between soft-shell crabs and soft-shelled crabs. Two ways to say it, is all.







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                      answered Oct 29 '12 at 20:05









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                      • 2





                        cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

                        – coleopterist
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:11











                      • Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

                        – John Lawler
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:13











                      • But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

                        – J.R.
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:38






                      • 5





                        Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

                        – itsbruce
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:41






                      • 1





                        I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

                        – Robusto
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:46














                      • 2





                        cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

                        – coleopterist
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:11











                      • Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

                        – John Lawler
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:13











                      • But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

                        – J.R.
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:38






                      • 5





                        Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

                        – itsbruce
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:41






                      • 1





                        I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

                        – Robusto
                        Oct 29 '12 at 20:46








                      2




                      2





                      cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

                      – coleopterist
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:11





                      cf. Lawler on "Comic or Comical?" :)

                      – coleopterist
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:11













                      Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

                      – John Lawler
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:13





                      Thanks, @coleopterist. These things do come up again and again, don't they?

                      – John Lawler
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:13













                      But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

                      – J.R.
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:38





                      But then, there's always comedic vs comical...

                      – J.R.
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:38




                      5




                      5





                      Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

                      – itsbruce
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:41





                      Um, historic versus historical? Biiiiig difference. I'll provide more commentary when it's not my birthday drinks.

                      – itsbruce
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:41




                      1




                      1





                      I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

                      – Robusto
                      Oct 29 '12 at 20:46





                      I'm more interested in the difference between soft-shelled crabs and softly shelled crabs. ^_^

                      – Robusto
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