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Arranging cats and dogs - what is wrong with my approach


Four dogs and five cats race. In how many ways can this occur?What's wrong with my permutation logic?Find the number of ways this can be arranged in which no 2 women and no 2 men sit together given 4 men and 3 women are seated in a dinner table?In how many ways can the letters of word $PERMUTATIONS$ be arranged if there are always 4 letters between P and S?What is wrong in my attempt in permutations?Story Of naive Cats And Machiavellian MonkeyArranging $A$'s and $B$'s.Permutations of finishing a raceHow many strings of $6$ digits are there which use only the digits $0, 1$, or $2$ and in which $2$, whenever it appears, always does so after $1$?In how many ways can $n$ dogs and $k$ cats be arranged in a row so that no two cats are adjacent?













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We have 4 dogs and 3 cats in a line but no two cats can be together, in how many ways can they be arranged?



Since there are 5 spaces the cats can be in with the dogs fixed, there are $5 choose 3 * 4! * 3! = 1440$ ways and this is the correct answer.



I thought of a different approach. Instead of fixing the dogs' places, I fixed the places of the cats. Now, we have 4 spaces of which the two spaces in the middle must be filled. Therefore, out of the 4 dogs, 2 must fill those, and there are $4 * 3$ ways of doing this (since one dog must be chosen to fill one middle space and the other, to fill the second but now there are only 3 dogs left.)



The other two dogs are free to go to any of the 4 spaces, with $4^2$ possibilities.



The cats can now be arranged in $3!$ ways.



So, our final answer should be $3! * 4^2 * 4 * 3 = 1152$



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We have 4 dogs and 3 cats in a line but no two cats can be together, in how many ways can they be arranged?



Since there are 5 spaces the cats can be in with the dogs fixed, there are $5 choose 3 * 4! * 3! = 1440$ ways and this is the correct answer.



I thought of a different approach. Instead of fixing the dogs' places, I fixed the places of the cats. Now, we have 4 spaces of which the two spaces in the middle must be filled. Therefore, out of the 4 dogs, 2 must fill those, and there are $4 * 3$ ways of doing this (since one dog must be chosen to fill one middle space and the other, to fill the second but now there are only 3 dogs left.)



The other two dogs are free to go to any of the 4 spaces, with $4^2$ possibilities.



The cats can now be arranged in $3!$ ways.



So, our final answer should be $3! * 4^2 * 4 * 3 = 1152$



Where have I gone wrong?






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We have 4 dogs and 3 cats in a line but no two cats can be together, in how many ways can they be arranged?



Since there are 5 spaces the cats can be in with the dogs fixed, there are $5 choose 3 * 4! * 3! = 1440$ ways and this is the correct answer.



I thought of a different approach. Instead of fixing the dogs' places, I fixed the places of the cats. Now, we have 4 spaces of which the two spaces in the middle must be filled. Therefore, out of the 4 dogs, 2 must fill those, and there are $4 * 3$ ways of doing this (since one dog must be chosen to fill one middle space and the other, to fill the second but now there are only 3 dogs left.)



The other two dogs are free to go to any of the 4 spaces, with $4^2$ possibilities.



The cats can now be arranged in $3!$ ways.



So, our final answer should be $3! * 4^2 * 4 * 3 = 1152$



Where have I gone wrong?






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We have 4 dogs and 3 cats in a line but no two cats can be together, in how many ways can they be arranged?



Since there are 5 spaces the cats can be in with the dogs fixed, there are $5 choose 3 * 4! * 3! = 1440$ ways and this is the correct answer.



I thought of a different approach. Instead of fixing the dogs' places, I fixed the places of the cats. Now, we have 4 spaces of which the two spaces in the middle must be filled. Therefore, out of the 4 dogs, 2 must fill those, and there are $4 * 3$ ways of doing this (since one dog must be chosen to fill one middle space and the other, to fill the second but now there are only 3 dogs left.)



The other two dogs are free to go to any of the 4 spaces, with $4^2$ possibilities.



The cats can now be arranged in $3!$ ways.



So, our final answer should be $3! * 4^2 * 4 * 3 = 1152$



Where have I gone wrong?






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The second computation is missing a symmetry. Say your initial pattern is $$underline quadC_1underline quadC_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



You then populate the spaces immediately to the right of $C_1$, and $C_2$. As:



$$underline quadC_1D_1underline quadC_2D_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



So far so good. You still have $D_3,D_4$ to place. Where can they go? True, they can each go to any of the four spaces, but if, say, they both go to the first space, in which order do they go?



Taking the two possible orders into account, we see that you are missing $$4times 3!times 4times 3=288$$ cases. Adding them back gives you the desired result.



Phrased differently: once you have placed $D_3$ there are now five available spaces for $D_4$ (since $D_4$ might go either to the left or to the right of $D_3$). thus you should have had $$3!times 4times 5times 4times 3=1440$$






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    You can separate the two cases for the two last dogs: single dogs and double dogs.



    Single dogs:
    $$P(4,2)=frac4!2!=12.$$
    Double dogs:
    $$P(2,2)cdot C(4,1)=2cdot 4=8.$$
    Hence, there are $12+8=20$ (not $4^2=16$) ways to distribute the last two dogs.



    The final answer is:
    $$3!cdot 20cdot 4cdot 3=1440.$$






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      $begingroup$

      The second computation is missing a symmetry. Say your initial pattern is $$underline quadC_1underline quadC_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



      You then populate the spaces immediately to the right of $C_1$, and $C_2$. As:



      $$underline quadC_1D_1underline quadC_2D_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



      So far so good. You still have $D_3,D_4$ to place. Where can they go? True, they can each go to any of the four spaces, but if, say, they both go to the first space, in which order do they go?



      Taking the two possible orders into account, we see that you are missing $$4times 3!times 4times 3=288$$ cases. Adding them back gives you the desired result.



      Phrased differently: once you have placed $D_3$ there are now five available spaces for $D_4$ (since $D_4$ might go either to the left or to the right of $D_3$). thus you should have had $$3!times 4times 5times 4times 3=1440$$






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        The second computation is missing a symmetry. Say your initial pattern is $$underline quadC_1underline quadC_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



        You then populate the spaces immediately to the right of $C_1$, and $C_2$. As:



        $$underline quadC_1D_1underline quadC_2D_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



        So far so good. You still have $D_3,D_4$ to place. Where can they go? True, they can each go to any of the four spaces, but if, say, they both go to the first space, in which order do they go?



        Taking the two possible orders into account, we see that you are missing $$4times 3!times 4times 3=288$$ cases. Adding them back gives you the desired result.



        Phrased differently: once you have placed $D_3$ there are now five available spaces for $D_4$ (since $D_4$ might go either to the left or to the right of $D_3$). thus you should have had $$3!times 4times 5times 4times 3=1440$$






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          $begingroup$

          The second computation is missing a symmetry. Say your initial pattern is $$underline quadC_1underline quadC_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



          You then populate the spaces immediately to the right of $C_1$, and $C_2$. As:



          $$underline quadC_1D_1underline quadC_2D_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



          So far so good. You still have $D_3,D_4$ to place. Where can they go? True, they can each go to any of the four spaces, but if, say, they both go to the first space, in which order do they go?



          Taking the two possible orders into account, we see that you are missing $$4times 3!times 4times 3=288$$ cases. Adding them back gives you the desired result.



          Phrased differently: once you have placed $D_3$ there are now five available spaces for $D_4$ (since $D_4$ might go either to the left or to the right of $D_3$). thus you should have had $$3!times 4times 5times 4times 3=1440$$






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          The second computation is missing a symmetry. Say your initial pattern is $$underline quadC_1underline quadC_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



          You then populate the spaces immediately to the right of $C_1$, and $C_2$. As:



          $$underline quadC_1D_1underline quadC_2D_2underline quadC_3underline quad$$



          So far so good. You still have $D_3,D_4$ to place. Where can they go? True, they can each go to any of the four spaces, but if, say, they both go to the first space, in which order do they go?



          Taking the two possible orders into account, we see that you are missing $$4times 3!times 4times 3=288$$ cases. Adding them back gives you the desired result.



          Phrased differently: once you have placed $D_3$ there are now five available spaces for $D_4$ (since $D_4$ might go either to the left or to the right of $D_3$). thus you should have had $$3!times 4times 5times 4times 3=1440$$







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              You can separate the two cases for the two last dogs: single dogs and double dogs.



              Single dogs:
              $$P(4,2)=frac4!2!=12.$$
              Double dogs:
              $$P(2,2)cdot C(4,1)=2cdot 4=8.$$
              Hence, there are $12+8=20$ (not $4^2=16$) ways to distribute the last two dogs.



              The final answer is:
              $$3!cdot 20cdot 4cdot 3=1440.$$






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                You can separate the two cases for the two last dogs: single dogs and double dogs.



                Single dogs:
                $$P(4,2)=frac4!2!=12.$$
                Double dogs:
                $$P(2,2)cdot C(4,1)=2cdot 4=8.$$
                Hence, there are $12+8=20$ (not $4^2=16$) ways to distribute the last two dogs.



                The final answer is:
                $$3!cdot 20cdot 4cdot 3=1440.$$






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                  You can separate the two cases for the two last dogs: single dogs and double dogs.



                  Single dogs:
                  $$P(4,2)=frac4!2!=12.$$
                  Double dogs:
                  $$P(2,2)cdot C(4,1)=2cdot 4=8.$$
                  Hence, there are $12+8=20$ (not $4^2=16$) ways to distribute the last two dogs.



                  The final answer is:
                  $$3!cdot 20cdot 4cdot 3=1440.$$






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                  You can separate the two cases for the two last dogs: single dogs and double dogs.



                  Single dogs:
                  $$P(4,2)=frac4!2!=12.$$
                  Double dogs:
                  $$P(2,2)cdot C(4,1)=2cdot 4=8.$$
                  Hence, there are $12+8=20$ (not $4^2=16$) ways to distribute the last two dogs.



                  The final answer is:
                  $$3!cdot 20cdot 4cdot 3=1440.$$







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